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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    A BETTER question is... WHAT was "stashed away for so long"...
    I think the description in the pamphlet is probably pretty accurate, gold & silver for sure, though who can really say in what form for certain? Most likely bullion, but it could also be in coin or even a variety of pure metals. As it is listed right down to the exact pound I would venture to say this was for value reasons as much as it was for actual weight. Jewels, pretty sure these were also present at the time and provided in accurate value as well. Given that it may sit for quite some time, as long as the weights were in a pure form then the value of the stash could always be calculated and known. I seriously doubt that it is still there, however, there are a few indications that it could be. Still looking into that.
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    Better question yet regarding napolean! Why was his rescue party planning on rescuing him from brazil? Why not st Helena? We're Virginians involved with this rescue? Sounds like war was beneficial to many of this people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    TJB and Party were sent out to the SW by either a secret mission by the President or either the retired President Thomas Jefferson... Either way they brought gold and silver back...
    This is where the Beale story "borrows" from the journals of the "secret mission" of the LONG-BELL EXPEDITION of 1820,the journal of E F BEALE and his expeditions,and the discovery of silver near Pikes Peak in 1823 by JAMES COCKRELL.
    Then add the ciphers of Edgar Allen Poe,and you got the making of a grat western treasure hunt dime store novel.
    Cipher 2 starts out: "I hAvE dEPOsited in the county of..."
    Notice the the anagram-" I E A POE"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    This is where the Beale story "borrows" from the journals of the "secret mission" of the LONG-BELL EXPEDITION of 1820,the journal of E F BEALE and his expeditions,and the discovery of silver near Pikes Peak in 1823 by JAMES COCKRELL.
    Then add the ciphers of Edgar Allen Poe,and you got the making of a grat western treasure hunt dime store novel.
    Cipher 2 starts out: "I hAvE dEPOsited in the county of..."
    Notice the the anagram-" I E A POE"
    There's those magic letters again. This same thing takes place with the numbers all the time as well. As humans, we have the tendency to over complicate what we don't understand and can't explain. An endless number of "anagrams" can be produced in similar fashion, just pick a book off any shelf or any subject of interest and you will be able to produce similar "mysterious anagrams" that appear to be connected with the subject at hand. However, there is no real mystery in this given the amount of letters and numbers one can employ and the amount of unlimited systems/formulas one can create to arrive at his goal. If you want to believe Donald Duck wrote the Beale Pamphlet after reading books by John Gresham you can certainly create the same type case situation in similar fashion. This is why there are so many similar formulas and theories out there, because the shear amount of numbers and letters at one's disposal make it all possible.
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    You know, many of the various solutions that have been produced over the years stand as perfect examples of why ciphers are employed in the first place. Trying to attack the ciphers without a key or any legitimate insight into what they actually say is pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    You know, many of the various solutions that have been produced over the years stand as perfect examples of why ciphers are employed in the first place. Trying to attack the ciphers without a key or any legitimate insight into what they actually say is pointless.
    YA GOT IT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    You know, many of the various solutions that have been produced over the years stand as perfect examples of why ciphers are employed in the first place. Trying to attack the ciphers without a key or any legitimate insight into what they actually say is pointless.
    That is what makes the BEALE PAPERS ingenious.
    You can put many people and events during that given time period to fit the Beale story.On this thread alone are many examples of doing such as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    That is what makes the BEALE PAPERS ingenious.
    You can put many people and events during that given time period to fit the Beale story.On this thread alone are many examples of doing such as that.
    Absolutely. However, some of the details in the following might interest you a bit, inspire you keep looking for the truth: (If you are up on some other documents, letters, etc., you will pickup on a few things.)
    The Bonapartes in America ? Chapter*14
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    Absolutely. However, some of the details in the following might interest you a bit, inspire you keep looking for the truth: (If you are up on some other documents, letters, etc., you will pickup on a few things.)
    The Bonapartes in America ? Chapter*14
    VERY good! Now, you are getting info to us to do R & I on...
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    This is what I meant before when I said it's complicated, a lot of things going on in just this one arena along. Once you amass all the various materials and absorb all the info and various details and make all the connections it leaves little doubt where the deposits came from and what they were intended for. "Morriss, Beale, Buford".....as well as a few others will all start to fall into place. The question is; "why was it still being looked for in 1862 and again in 1885?"

    In 1818, when the French settled Champ de Asile, that site had already been predetermined and laid out. This means that a party had already been in the region, having spent enough time in the region to search out this ideal location and to layout the groundwork for the settlement. The gold in question, or more accurately "the treasury" in question, was already in the region before the settlers arrived in 1818, which is why none of them ever saw it. (A little detail here is that there was also a second fort in the region, though it's exact whereabouts still remains uncertain.) The Adam's Onis Treaty was a killer, the death of Napoleon in 1821 a huge setback, and the Monroe Doctrine of 1823 the final dagger. A lot of people think the Monroe Doctrine was geared toward the British but in 1862 Napoleon III was still quite steamed over the lasting effects of the document, one of the very reasons he tried to gain control of Mexico while we were busy with the Civil war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    However, some of the details in the following might interest you a bit, inspire you keep looking for the truth: (If you are up on some other documents, letters, etc., you will pickup on a few things.)
    The Bonapartes in America ? Chapter*14
    Interesting,and once again the Philadelphia connection with Girard and Lallemand.
    Here is another-Maj General Robert Patterson of Philadelphia had many parties and meetings at his mansion on 13th & Locust St.His guests included Girard,Lallemand and Joseph Bonaparte.
    Patterson's mansion had a fireplace mantle that came from Bonaparte's Bordertown,NJ mansion.
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    It's difficult to imagine today but back in the day Napoleon was seen as a worldwide hero fighting for the little guy and support for him was immense, and especially so in this country, and this huge amount of support wasn't just limited to French refugees. Washington was worried to death what might happen if he arrived here, easily raising an army of 100,000 strong and most likely with additional Mexican support. Now toss in the strong Roman Catholic ties and Napoleon's past dealings with Spain and it's easy to see why many in Washington were trembling at the very thought. America was in full treaty with, and conducting good trade with the British, and they were also pursuing a treaty and future trade with Spain. Now consider the entire scope of Champ de Asile had Napoleon actually made it there.
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    THE PATTERSON CONNECTION
    Elizabeth "Betsy" Patterson of Baltimore married Jerome Bonaparte,Napolean's youngest brother.One place where they met was at Samuel Chase's house at a ball(yes the Chase that signed the DOI).The Roman Catholic Church later declared the marriage null for French political reasons.
    Maj Gen Robrt Patterson,an uncle,fought in the Mexican War under Winfield Scott,knew Joseph Bonaparte who was a guest at his mansion,along with Girard,Lallemand,Henry Clay,and Danial Webster.Joseph Bonaparte was offered the crownof Mexico.
    Sometimes there are too many coincindences to be just coincidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    THE PATTERSON CONNECTION
    Elizabeth "Betsy" Patterson of Baltimore married Jerome Bonaparte,Napolean's youngest brother.One place where they met was at Samuel Chase's house at a ball(yes the Chase that signed the DOI).The Roman Catholic Church later declared the marriage null for French political reasons.
    Maj Gen Robrt Patterson,an uncle,fought in the Mexican War under Winfield Scott,knew Joseph Bonaparte who was a guest at his mansion,along with Girard,Lallemand,Henry Clay,and Danial Webster.Joseph Bonaparte was offered the crownof Mexico.
    Sometimes there are too many coincindences to be just coincidence.
    And the list of coincidences you're about to encounter is going to get much longer, in fact, they're going to become routine and even predictable.
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    "Between the months of November 1818 and February 1819, my commune had $476,000 dollars put away."

    This total is equal to 1/2 of the Beale deposits. This money was only held for a period of three months, being relocated just after Champ de Asile was abandoned and George Graham's visit to Galveston Island. The first Beale deposit was in November 1819, roughly eight months after Lallemand & Graham departed Galveston and the signing of the Adma's Onis Treaty.

    I have reason to believe that this wealth was kept and transported in caskets, half of the total treasury being relocated after the treaty's signing and the other half eventually being reunited with it after the treaty's ratification. This treasury was originally set in place prior to Lallemand's arrival & construction of Champ de Asile.

    "The building was surrounded by a moat and painted red; it became known as, Maison Rouge." Ironically, Laffite never stayed in the plush dwelling, reserving activities there only when entertaining special guest. So who was this home built for?
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