Indian massacre of miners working in 1823

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The daily Herald (Brownsville, TX.)., June 15, 1894, Image 5

Story of a Texas mine.

Supposed to have been worked by the Spaniards many years ago.


The Bessemer Development Co., of which Col. A. C. Schriever is president, and Col. Richard Wooley, jr., is manager, both residents of San Antonio, owns one of the most remarkable and interesting mining properties that is probably to be found in Texas at the present day. This property consists of an old Spanish working which is soon to be extensively explored, arrangements for carrying on the work now being in progress. This property is situated about ten miles from the town of Llano, in the county of that name. It has a wonderful history, some of which is traditional, but much of it has been verified by investigation into the old Spanish archives, where documents bearing on the existence and the productiveness of the mine were brought to light.
The mine was being extensively worked in the year 1823, as is shown by a letter written in that year by the superintendent of the property to the governor of this Mexican state, asking that the workmen at the mine be furnished with military protection; as the Indians were becoming troublesome and it was feared that they would be attacked and killed. This letter is still on file among the government papers in Monterey, Mexico, and was found there a few years ago by Prof. W. H. Von Steernwitz, a well known geologist of Austin, TX. It is not known whether the military protection asked for was furnished, but it is supposed that the report was not promptly granted, as the unfortunate miners met with the fate which their foreman had predicted for them. Many years later a party of the early settlers of that section of the State stumbled upon the old mine. There was one shaft apparent on the surface, and lying at the mouth of this shaft were five skeletons of men, one of which had an arrow protruding from the skull, plainly showing that they had met their death at the hands of the Indians. This discovery was made sometime in the 70's, and there were, even at that late date, a great many Indians in the section around the mine, but all of those interviewed on the subject claimed to know nothing of the skeletons or the abandoned mine.
In addition to these skeletons there were found the ruins of three smelting furnaces, which were of a large capacity, and from the immense piles of slag surrounding them it was evident that they had treated a large amount of precious ore. The finding of the skeletons was evidence that the mine was being worked at the time the massacre occurred, and that the ore body had not given out and the mine abandoned, as was the case with nearly all of the old Spanish mines, the ruins of which dot the mountainous regions of southwest Texas and Mexico. That the mine was a rich one is so stated in the letter on file at Monterey. It is called an "almagres" mine in that letter, which is a Spanish expression for a mine that contains a rich lead of precious metal covered with a body of iron.
After acquiring the property, upon which this mine is located, Manager Wooley visited the place in company with another gentleman with the view of making a casual exploration of the workings. The ruins of the furnaces are still to be seen; and growing at the mouth of the shaft is a hackberry tree nearly three feet in diameter. Colonel Wooley let his companion down into the shaft by means of a rope, and at the depth of ten feet the body of iron was found, and the single shaft separated into two shafts, one being sunk on each side of the body of iron, which is about fifteen feet across. These two shafts were explored to a depth of sixty feet, when further progress was prevented by the "damp" or gas which had gathered in the holes during the long years of inactivity. The explorer was compelled to return to the surface, and further investigation was given up for the time being. It was found that the workers of the mine had followed the vein of mineral all the way down, and it considered almost certain that they were still working on it and taking out large quantities of rich ore at the time their progress was ended by their massacre by the Indians.
The Spaniards at that early day carried on their mining operations in a crude manner, and only worked the best prospects and took out that ore which was most easily secured. In view of this fact it is believed by Manager Wooley that there is much valuable ore in the mine, even if it had been pretty well worked out by the Spaniards, and it may be that a bonanza awaits further development of the property, as there is a tradition known to almost everyone in southwest Texas and Mexico that there is a lost Spanish mine of wonderful richness situated in the vicinity of what is now the town of Llano, Texas.-St. Louis Globe-democrat.
 

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No witnesses. No local Indians having an account or knowledge when questioned...
No suggestion that a European could have placed an arrow thus making it look/"plainly showing" like a Native attack vs claimjumpers.
After all,no one else would kill miners ; right?
 

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No witnesses. No local Indians having an account or knowledge when questioned...
No suggestion that a European could have placed an arrow thus making it look/"plainly showing" like a Native attack vs claimjumpers.
After all,no one else would kill miners ; right?

The point of this post is not to show that Indians killed the miners, but rather that these miners were indeed killed. And it seems to have happened in 1823.
 

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The point of this post is not to show that Indians killed the miners, but rather that these miners were indeed killed. And it seems to have happened in 1823.

I'm not sure massacre fits.
Were the victims /losers pacifists then perhaps.
Skeletons were there according to the article.
After the approximately fifty years of time elapsed from death to discovery an arrowhead might have been found in the remaining mould here farther East in the humid clime and attendant freeze and thaw cycles , but that would be about it .

The 1823 letter would likely include the mines name, or very specific instructions to enable the military to locate it .
For greater research into Spanish archives related to the area , a mine name or another mention of it's superintendent (where was he at time of bodies becoming part of the mines entrance?, and or after?) might lead to more info.
 

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No witnesses. No local Indians having an account or knowledge when questioned...
No suggestion that a European could have placed an arrow thus making it look/"plainly showing" like a Native attack vs claimjumpers.
After all,no one else would kill miners ; right?
No Indian massacre in the 1885 Beale Papers.
The Indians that the Beale Party encountered were "friendly" and help the white men mine the gold and silver from their territorial lands.
 

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No Indian massacre in the 1885 Beale Papers.
The Indians that the Beale Party encountered were "friendly" and help the white men mine the gold and silver from their territorial lands.

And that's why everyone came back safe and sound and all lived happily ever after with their treasure. No wait, they never came back, did they.
 

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THE HART PAPERS by George Hart explains all through a medium.
Or does it?

I don't know anything about that, but according to the Beale story, it was thought that Beale and his party may have been killed out west. And it was under such conditions that Beale had told RM to open the box. Beale never returned, and RM did open the box. Therefore, Beale and his party must have been killed, because it's very unlikely all of them died of natural causes around the same time. Yes, ECS, this is all assuming that the Beale story is true. I'm getting tired of having to make that disclaimer.
 

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And that's why everyone came back safe and sound and all lived happily ever after with their treasure. No wait, they never came back, did they.
ALL of 'em, being RICH... MAY HAVE gone to "Cali", looking for Beach Babes... dunno.
 

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No Indian massacre in the 1885 Beale Papers.

After the reception of this letter, Mr. Morriss states that he was particularly careful to see the box securely placed where it could remain in absolute safety, so long as the exigencies of the case might require; the letter, too, he was equally careful to preserve for future use, should it be needed. Having done all that was required of him, Mr. Morriss could only await Beale's return, or some communication from him. In either case, he was disappointed. He never saw Beale again, nor did a line or message ever reach him. The two years passed away during which he said he would be absent, then three, four, and so on to ten ; still not a line or message to tell whether he were living or dead. Mr. Morriss felt much uneasiness about him, but had had no means of satisfying his doubts; ten years had passed; 1832 was at hand, and he was now at liberty to open the box, but he resolved to wait on, vainly hoping that something definite would reach him.

During this period rumors of Indian outrages and massacres were current
, but no mention of Beale's name ever occurred. What became of him and his companions is left entirely to conjecture. Whether he was slain by Indians, or killed by the savage animals of the Rocky Mountains, or whether exposure, and perhaps privation, did its work can never be told. One thing at least is certain, that of the young and gallant band, whose buoyant spirits led them to seek such a life, and to forsake the comforts of home, with all its enjoyments, for the dangers and privations they must necessarily encounter, not a survivor remains.


No mention of massacre, huh.
 

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Or could be everything went smoothly and they just never required Morriss services, which is why he never heard from any of them again. Or, it could be that the grand adventure never happened at all.
 

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After the reception of this letter, Mr. Morriss states that he was particularly careful to see the box securely placed where it could remain in absolute safety, so long as the exigencies of the case might require; the letter, too, he was equally careful to preserve for future use, should it be needed. Having done all that was required of him, Mr. Morriss could only await Beale's return, or some communication from him. In either case, he was disappointed. He never saw Beale again, nor did a line or message ever reach him. The two years passed away during which he said he would be absent, then three, four, and so on to ten ; still not a line or message to tell whether he were living or dead. Mr. Morriss felt much uneasiness about him, but had had no means of satisfying his doubts; ten years had passed; 1832 was at hand, and he was now at liberty to open the box, but he resolved to wait on, vainly hoping that something definite would reach him.

During this period rumors of Indian outrages and massacres were current
, but no mention of Beale's name ever occurred. What became of him and his companions is left entirely to conjecture. Whether he was slain by Indians, or killed by the savage animals of the Rocky Mountains, or whether exposure, and perhaps privation, did its work can never be told. One thing at least is certain, that of the young and gallant band, whose buoyant spirits led them to seek such a life, and to forsake the comforts of home, with all its enjoyments, for the dangers and privations they must necessarily encounter, not a survivor remains.


No mention of massacre, huh.
It also states "no mention of Beale".
Once again, one can not prove the story in the 1885 Beale Papers by quoting the 1885 Beale Papers as a source.
 

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Or could be everything went smoothly and they just never required Morriss services, which is why he never heard from any of them again. Or, it could be that the grand adventure never happened at all.

All of those things are possible. But whatever we believe, you have to admit that when you find where massacres happened at the very time the story says they were happening, you have to call that supporting evidence to what the story is saying.
 

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It also states "no mention of Beale".
Once again, one can not prove the story in the 1885 Beale Papers by quoting the 1885 Beale Papers as a source.

Right. He said he didn't know what happened to Beale and party, but he did suspect a massacre, as massacres were happening at the time. 1+1=...
 

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Could have, maybe is not fact, and once again one can not use the Beale Papers text as proof that anything in the 1885 Beale Papers ever happened.
 

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Could have, maybe is not fact, and once again one can not use the Beale Papers text as proof that anything in the 1885 Beale Papers ever happened.

The fact spoken of is not that Beale was massacred. Please think about this. The fact spoken of is that there was indeed Indian massacres at that very time. The story said there was, and I found proof of it.
 

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No Indian massacre in the 1885 Beale Papers.
The Indians that the Beale Party encountered were "friendly" and help the white men mine the gold and silver from their territorial lands.

Wow, just wow .
 

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