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    Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    These are the patent drawings for new bottle stoppers in 1885, as published in 1886. It may be that some (or many) of these patents were not developed into functional closures in the bottling trade; but, some were.

    I believe that none of these was as successful as the Hutchinson Stopper or the Crown Stopper, but bottles that accommodated some of the alternatives are readily found. In 1885, all of the lip-finishes that used an alternative stopper had to be hand-applied.

    Who can share an image or two of some alternative-stoppered bottles in his collection?

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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Harry ~

    Are you looking for bottles to match some of the patents you already posted, or stoppers not yet shown? It's the "alternative" part that's confusing me.

    Thanks,

    SBB

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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB
    Harry ~

    Are you looking for bottles to match some of the patents you already posted, or stoppers not yet shown? It's the "alternative" part that's confusing me.
    Thanks,
    SBB
    Bottles that used stoppers other than Hutchinson and Crown. For example, here are two Phoenix Bottling Works bottles (for beer, I believe) that used two different types of stopper. One is a basic blob-top with no evidence of special finish, but the other has what I've identified as a "Baltimore loop-seal" lip finish.

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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
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    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Next question ...

    Is it okay to use pictures from the internet, or are you looking for examples from personal collections? If internet pics are allowed, then I'm in. Otherwise I'm out because all of my personal stuff is 95% crown and 5% hutch.

    Gracias'

    SBB

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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB
    Next question ...

    Is it okay to use pictures from the internet, or are you looking for examples from personal collections? If internet pics are allowed, then I'm in. Otherwise I'm out because all of my personal stuff is 95% crown and 5% hutch.

    Gracias'

    SBB
    Perhaps you can get the thread started with some judiciously-selected examples from the www.
    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Here's one you don't see every day. In fact, it's just rare enough that you will likely never see one ... except here, of course. The text and pictures below will explain it for the most part, but it appears to be the sort of thing you would need an operator's manual to figure out. If you ever see one of these in an antique shop, buy it! I doubt the dealer will even know what it is, and will likely describe it as a radiator cap or something like that. But we know better, don't we? And in case you are wondering about drinking from a bottle like this, that's why mugs were so popular back in the 1800s.

    SBB

    ~ COIL SPRING STOPPER ~

    The patent is #36,266 issued in 1862 to Albert Albertson. Albert Albertson, of New York, N.Y., created this unusual closing device that required an elongated bottle lip, designed to hold a metallic rod having a button attached to it's lower end. Secured to this button was a disk of rubber, and then attached to the metallic rod was a coil spring that provided upward pressure to make the seal. At least five examples of Albertsons bottles are known to exist. Some are base marked with; "Albertsons Stopper/Made By J. Mathews, New York/Patented Aug. 26, 1862." This stopper was to be marketed by John Mathews, another up and coming bottle supplier, destined to wield great influence over the bottling trade. Albertson's idea eventually evolved into the famous Mathews Gravitating Stopper.
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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Original Patent ...
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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Our Mr. Albert Albertson was a pretty inventive guy. Here's another one of his ingenious stopper patents from 1864 ...
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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    And then John Matthews Jr. (Mentioned in the first part of this evolution of stoppers) comes along with this 1867 patent. It is typically referred to as the "Gravitating Stopper." (With the "graviting/gravity" part being self explanatory, as it "fell" into the bottle when released). But I really dont't see a great deal of difference between this 1867 patent and Albertson's 1864 patent. Of course, these and numerous other patent stoppers to follow were all made obsolete with the introduction of the "Hutchinson" closure in 1879 ... and even that eventually fell to the wayside with the invention of the "King of all Closures" which was the crown cap invented by William Painter in 1892.
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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Harry ~

    I hope I didn't over do it. I based my postings on your recommendation to be ...

    Judicious

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    1. using or showing judgment as to action or practical expediency; discreet, prudent,
    or politic: judicious use of one's money.

    2. having, exercising, or characterized by good or discriminating judgment; wise, sensible, or well-advised: a judicious selection of documents.

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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Then there is the Codd stopper, patented in Britain in 1872 by Hiram Codd, and still in use today in some parts of the world. There are a few American Codd stopper bottles; but, there are many variations (early and late) of this stopper used in many countries around the world.

    Gas pressure holds a marble againt a rubber washer in the lip.

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    Sometimes I go about pitying myself, and all the time
    I am being carried on great winds across the sky.

    ------Chippewa saying, translated by Robert Bly
    _____________
    http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    This is a David Boyle with a Thomas Patent Closure, similar to a hutch with more squared off shoulders it only appears on 25 bottles and it had a o-ring style washer in the neck and a marble to seal against it. This is the info from the Sodas and Beers website.

    Thomas or Thasmo Closure, circ: 1895-1905, Occurs on 25 bottles,
    Invented by: Frederic R. H. Thomas,
    American Patent: April 23, 1895, Number: 537,946,
    American Patent: December 10, 1895, Number: 551,102,
    This closure was another improvement to the glass ball stopper that sealed against a rubber disk in the lip of the bottle. The improvement was that the marble jammed in the shoulder of the bottle when the contents were poured out.



    and this is the very common Putnam Closure.....Jim

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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Nice one epackage. Never seen that type before. Bob that spring one, never seen that either. I have this one, Zett's, I posted not too long ago. Common but in uncommon condition. I never bothered to unscrew it, I assume there is a cork seal. I will do some more close up pics of it disassembled. I do not know anything about this type.
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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Very interesting Gleaner, this is an unknown closure as of right now according the sodasandbeers.com website, you should send an e-mail with pic's to Tod who runs the site, I'm sure he would love to show pic's along with the bottle credited to you on the site.

    I wonder if this might not be some sort of after market closure to keep the contents fresh Thanx for showing it...Jim
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    Re: Bottle Stoppers in 1885

    Here's one that is (somewhat/sort of) similar to the one Gleaner posted. It is described as follows ...

    There were scores of different types of closures patented and used on beverage bottles, though most, like James T. Walker's 1885 patent closure pictured below, it had minimal impact. The seven primary closures/stopper types were the Cork, Gravitating, Codd's, Hutchinson, Lighting-Type, Bottle Seal, and Crown. These seven likely accounting for about 95% of the closures used on beverage bottles during the time span between 1800 through the 1950s.

    [ James T. Walker - 1885 ]

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