A couple of bottle you dont see everyday.

[Mich. Wolverine]

A couple of bottle you don't see everyday.

Well it's the slow time of the year so I thought I would post a couple of bottles that are somewhat rare. The aqua bottle is a Dr. Henley's IXL California Bitters and is from the 1870's. It's 12 and a half inches tall and has a manufacturers mark on the bottom- W. Frank & Son Pitt. You can see some of the original foil still on the neck. The teal colored bottle is a Duffield. Samuel P. Duffield was the predecessor of the drug company Parke-Davis. He hired Parke and Davis in the late 1860's and retired in 1871. I have not found any info. about him selling any of his products after 1871 but this bottle has a tooled lip. The side mold seam runs up to the very bottom of the shoulder and their is a mold seam around the diameter just below the Duffield embossing. Is this a 3 piece mold or a 4 piece mold and did they make this type of bottle in the late 1860's to early 1870's? The manufacturers mark on the bottom is Wm. McC. & Co. (William McCully made bottles from 1841 to 1909.) Thanks for any info. and feel free to post your rarer bottles so we can check them out.

Wolverine.

 

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[Harry Pristis]

Nice bottles, Wolverine! The Duffield bottle sounds like a 3-piece mold (the bottom of the mold by convention is not counted). Three-piece molds were commonly used for most of the nineteen century. Maybe Surf can help you with the research on this one.

 

[skeeteb1]

I am brand spanking new to the site and I dabble in all aspects of hunting as an amateur, but I think I did well saving some bottles from the land field. Is this where I can post pics to get feedback? If not my apologies but this site has so much going on its easy to get lost...

 

[Bass]

I am brand spanking new to the site and I dabble in all aspects of hunting as an amateur, but I think I did well saving some bottles from the land field. Is this where I can post pics to get feedback? If not my apologies but this site has so much going on its easy to get lost...

yep, this is the place

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[Bass]

Wolverine, nice finds you got there and welcome back. Where have you been lately and where did you get these beauties?

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[Mich. Wolverine]

Thanks Harry and Bass Assassin. I was just looking at the B.L.M. bottle web site and according to them the bottle is a 4 piece mold. A 2 part mold for the shoulder and a 2 part mold for the main body so you could change embossing or lengths without having to get a new mold made. I didn't give a date when they started making 4 piece molds, so it's still a mystery if this bottle fits the time frame that Duffield, Parke and Davis was in business together. A couple of years ago a guy posted a bottle that looked like the Duffield but had Parke-Davis embossed on it.
Bass I have been working 7 days a week again so I have not been in the river much bottle hunting. I did get in the river on Christmas Eve and the temp. was around 15. I had to break ice as I went upstream but I did find a sperm sewing machine oil bottle so I didn't get skunked. I found the Duffield bottle in the river a few years ago and the Dr. Henleys I had to wait around for 3 hours when they were back filling a trench and this was in the last pile of dirt.
Happy New Year to everyone.
Wolverine.

 

[Harry Pristis]

Thanks Harry and Bass Assassin. I was just looking at the B.L.M. bottle web site and according to them the bottle is a 4 piece mold. A 2 part mold for the shoulder and a 2 part mold for the main body so you could change embossing or lengths without having to get a new mold made. I didn't give a date when they started making 4 piece molds, so it's still a mystery if this bottle fits the time frame that Duffield, Parke and Davis was in business together. A couple of years ago a guy posted a bottle that looked like the Duffield but had Parke-Davis embossed on it.
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Happy New Year to everyone.
Wolverine.

There should be no ambiguity here. Either the bottle is a 3-pm or it's a 4-pm.

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In my experience, 4-pm bottles are uncommon, much less common than 3-pm bottle with shoulder embossing. I am not aware of any on my shelf . . . except for a few, very large demijohns.

Your Duffield bottle has the shoulder embossing appropriate to a 3-pm bottle; but, we can't make out the seams in your images. So, which is it?

Happy New Year!
-----Harry

 

[Mich. Wolverine]

Thank's for the comments Harry and here are some pictures of the mold seams.

Wolverine.

 

[Harry Pristis]

The Duffield bottle does appear to have a 4-pm seam pattern. What's the bottle bottom like . . . hingemold? . . . postmold?

 

[Bass]

Funny, the vertical seam isn't as strong as the horizontal. Nice pictures.

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[Mich. Wolverine]

Harry i'm pretty sure it's a post bottom mold. What do you think.
Thanks. Wolverine

 

[Harry Pristis]

I think you're correct, Wolverine. All-in-all, an interesting piece just from the standpoint of its construction.

Anyone else have a similar 4-piece mold bottle?