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    M.C. Rice found a treasure map inside a pocket watch in 1934?

    I read this story a long time ago and have since sought more info and can not find any. Did anyone look for this treasure? Did anyone ever see the map if not? What are your thoughts on this treasure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grantler View Post
    My thoughts are first of all this watchmaker is not a treasure hunter, much less a sailor. How would he find the island if it is uncharted? Certainly not by looking at charts of the day!

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    How much would this be worth today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Silver View Post
    How much would this be worth today?
    Approximatly about give or take around 9 million in todays prices.

    Crow

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    Oh the watch belonged to Paul Stachwick of Huron. He and S D Gordon Brawner of Springfeild Ill, and elmer J Palliser of San Diego California was allegedly cast away on Cocos island. In fact it was ruse to make an illegal search as they had no permission to search Cocos from the Costarican Authorities. They were picked up by the vessel Sacramento sent from Balboa Panama in 1931.

    The watch story was part of a later elaborate scam to some how make out that Paul Stachwick had secret information as he at the time tried to get on the Queen of Scots expedition. The con was for M C Rice was to clean the watch make the discovery. The crude map depicts Cocos islands Chatham bay with Breakfast island also known by other names and conic island just off the bay. I might also add that No one bought story in 1934 either..

    Crow
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    some info on M.C. Rice


    the watch the woman gave M.C. Rice, had been her seafaring
    husbands, given to him by his father
    Western Argus (Kalgoorlie, WA
    Tuesday 2 January 1934
    02 Jan 1934 - CLUE TO A FORTUNE RICH SECRET IN OLD WATCH
    addy in newspaper clip
    https://goo.gl/maps/7sRhB

    M.C. Rice went looking and got stuck/lost at sea boat located,
    at Corrientes Point, ( i didnt think cuba was in the south seas )
    and adds a new name albert jones
    july 9 1935
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    http://www.ourfutureourpast.ca/newsp...e=nidp0141.jpg
    if you want to look at more can be done by yr, and gives all available NPs for
    Xyr in the collection
    AHDP - Newspaper Collection Home


    pay flat fee for article
    July 08, 1935
    CUBANS FIND MISSING BOAT; Canadian Ketch, With 5 Aboard, Taken in Tow After Drifting.
    HAVANA, July 7 (AP). -- The Cuban Navy announced today it had located the missing Canadian ketch Casarco, which has been drifting in distress for nine days with five persons aboard, including an ill mother and two children. All aboard the Casarco are alive, a navy vessel reported. It was found near Corrientes Point.
    CUBANS FIND MISSING BOAT - Canadian Ketch, With 5 Aboard, Taken in Tow After Drifting. - Article - NYTimes.com
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    Hello CW909

    Some excellent followup research. The term south seas is a very lossely used term geographically. Some times it can be refered to as the Caribbean or the South Pacific.

    Crow

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    hi crow, my dad was navy, ww2, korean,i was going by what he told me,
    the south seas was all oceans and seas below the equator. tried to enlg
    the pics from article,not so good, and some map links for applecrack

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    maps
    http://www.kellscraft.com/InTheSouth...uthSeasMap.JPG
    Map of Oceania - Pacific Islands, French Polynesia
    http://www.trussel.com/rls/pacmap.gif
    interactive chart
    OpenSeaMap - The free nautical chart

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    Hello cw0909

    Indeed your father is correct. However that was the modern perception of the southseas being below the equator in thee southern Hemisphere. The old term was a rather generalized archaic term some newspapers still used based on the fact that the buccaneers traveled through to Caribbean to the South seas across the istmis of Panama. Hence the carribean got tagged along with the Pacific ocean by people in Northern Europe was indeed for them the South seas. This archaic term was used up until the mid 1930s by some.

    The boat Mr rice and others sailed on was heading for Cocos island in the Pacific via Panama canal via Caribbean, however they never made it. The old lady who passed the watch on to Mr Rice was I believe the mother of Paul Stanwick. Good job trying to enlarge picture. The illustration on the right is fictional one. The small map is represntational of Chatham bay with the two islets. Breakfast and Conic.

    Would ya like to see the island?

    Crow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow View Post
    Hello cw0909

    Indeed your father is correct. However that was the modern perception of the southseas being below the equator in thee southern Hemisphere. The old term was a rather generalized archaic term some newspapers still used based on the fact that the buccaneers traveled through to Caribbean to the South seas across the istmis of Panama. Hence the carribean got tagged along with the Pacific ocean by people in Northern Europe was indeed for them the South seas. This archaic term was used up until the mid 1930s by some.

    The boat Mr rice and others sailed on was heading for Cocos island in the Pacific via Panama canal via Caribbean, however they never made it. The old lady who passed the watch on to Mr Rice was I believe the mother of Paul Stanwick. Good job trying to enlarge picture. The illustration on the right is fictional one. The small map is represntational of Chatham bay with the two islets. Breakfast and Conic.

    Would ya like to see the island?

    Crow
    I would. It's a very interesting place.

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    Hello Aquanut Cocos is mysterious as legend supposed it to be.

    Its rare day its not raining the humidity is about a hundred percent. You feel ya breathing water on the island

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    Heading toward Chatham bay you will see Conic island some times also called Uiloa on the left below

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    Inside Chatham bay in picture below the island to the right is Breakfast island known on the old charts. Today it mainly known as Manuelita Isalnd

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    Landing on the shore is hazardous as large boulders are strewn across the beach

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    The boulder and rocks around the bay are whos who of history of ship who have come to island to hunt treasure or whalers to get water.

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    The creek below flows into Chatham bay. The creek heads in between two mountains. Its at given point you should branch off to the right which will lead to cave half way up the hill.

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    This is the bay shown in watch. Paul Stachwick of Huron. He and S D Gordon Brawner of Springfeild Ill, and elmer J Palliser of San Diego California was allegedly cast away on Cocos island. In fact it was ruse to make an illegal search as they had no permission to search Cocos from the Costarican Authorities. They were picked up by the vessel Sacramento sent from Balboa Panama in 1931. The directions are fairly well known by hundreds of searchers over the years Paul Stanwick was just one of many.

    Mr Rice it seems never made it to the island. All part of the lore of an amazing island.

    Crow
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    I don't understand. If this was a scam then why did Mr. Rice attempt to reach the island?

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    thanks for pics, more info for those that might venture there, from the offical site
    or a wiki, sorry didnt save link, interesting stuff

    COCOS (KEELING) ISLANDS
    There are 27 coral islands in the group. Captain William KEELING discovered the islands in 1609, but they remained uninhabited until the 19th century. From the 1820s to 1978, members of the CLUNIE-ROSS family controlled the islands and the copra produced from local coconuts. Annexed by the UK in 1857, the Cocos Islands were transferred to the Australian Government in 1955. Apart from North Keeling Island, which lies 30 kilometers north of the main group, the islands form a horseshoe-shaped atoll surrounding a lagoon. North Keeling Island was declared a national park in 1995 and is administered by Parks Australia. The population on the two inhabited islands generally is split between the ethnic Europeans on West Island and the ethnic Malays on Home Island.


    the CLUNIE-ROSS family
    Dynasties: Clunies-Ross

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    i have made a mistake on the cocos island location, crow is talking about this cocos island, not the ones i sited
    above, sorry for any confusion, it seem both cocos island have some cool history though

    the island crow is talking about
    http://www.costarica-nationalparks.c...landlayers.gif
    Cocos Island National Park - UNESCO World Heritage Centre

    my mistaken cocos island ( cocos keeling islands )
    http://www.ausairpower.net/STRATEGIC...76-Map-CIA.jpg

 

 
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