copied this us coin program from page 102 of a book and it calls SILVER IRON!!!!!!

[austin_luker]

See to me I don't understand how you guys are using pitch cuz pitch will only give you a higher pitch when the targets closer to the coil it has nothing to do with ferrous or non-ferrous just distance from coil

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[Mike G.]

Calabash, I'm looking forward to seeing your tests with the pitch mode. When testing this setting after getting my Deus a while back I just used my hot program which is very close to your relic program (full tones) and just switched to pitch mode in the tones menu leaving the other settings the same. My ground is very hot compared to your milder ground so I'll be waiting to see your results.

 

[vferrari]

Here's a small copper coin at 6" with a small nail at 3" above it just off center.
I'm in full tones for the first part, then i change to pitch. Towards the end you'll see me hitting the coin hard in pitch, then change back to full tones and sweep at the same angle, and you can see the difference.
In full tones the small nail drags down the tone of the coin so low i struggle to tell the difference between it and iron, also i think the pitch hits the coin from different angles better than full tones, you would have to come at the coin from the perfect angle to hit it in full tones.
I find the difference like night and day when hunting, and here in the UK many of the coins are tiny thin low conductors, so any advantage i can gain i take
I love the Deus in full tones, but i'd be walking past good targets using it on some of my sites, i also use 2 and 3 tones when i hit a bit of trash or coke infestation.

https://youtu.be/JuIF_WAed2M

Explain again how you know that pitch tone is not just hitting on the iron target? I use gold field sometimes and the pitch frequency and intensity merely tells you that you have a shallow or large target under the coil (like the pinpointer), you need the Target ID to tell you the conductivity of the target. The target ID should be the same whether you are in pitch or tones, shouldn't it?

[I hadn't yet gotten to reading Austin's post before I posted this, we are both basically asking the same question]

 

[beep1971]

I've the disc set to 6.1, so i can hear the nail low tone beside the coin.

Explain again how you know that pitch tone is not just hitting on the iron target? I use gold field sometimes and the pitch frequency and intensity merely tells you that you have a shallow or large target under the coil (like the pinpointer), you need the Target ID to tell you the conductivity of the target. The target ID should be the same whether you are in pitch or tones, shouldn't it?

[I hadn't yet gotten to reading Austin's post before I posted this, we are both basically asking the same question]

 

[Tedyoh]

I wonder if it would sound the same if you had the nail next to an axe head? I'm thinking it would.

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[beep1971]

I'm basically using it like 2 tone, disc is at 6.1 so low tone for iron, then you get the pitch tone for everything else, it also gives a feel for target depth.
It doesn't unmask any better, but i find it alerts you to a masked target better and from more approach angles compared to full tones.

See to me I don't understand how you guys are using pitch cuz pitch will only give you a higher pitch when the targets closer to the coil it has nothing to do with ferrous or non-ferrous just distance from coil

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[beep1971]

You'd probably get a pitch tone for the axe head.

I wonder if it would sound the same if you had the nail next to an axe head? I'm thinking it would.

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[vferrari]

I'm basically using it like 2 tone, disc is at 6.1 so low tone for iron, then you get the pitch tone for everything else, it also gives a feel for target depth.
It doesn't unmask any better, but i find it alerts you to a masked target better and from more approach angles compared to full tones.

Ok. I am understanding this better. You are basically using iron volume in pitch mode with the "tone break" being the discrimination setting. Two-tone vs. pitch doesn't give you the sense of depth, guess, correct? I guess you could lower audio response with two-tone to get the depth sense, but then the tone gets faint. Do I have that right?

 

[beep1971]

That's it, i plucked this little medieval coin out today using pitch.

Ok. I am understanding this better. You are basically using iron volume in pitch mode with the "tone break" being the discrimination setting. Two-tone vs. pitch doesn't give you the sense of depth, guess, correct? I guess you could lower audio response with two-tone to get the depth sense, but then the tone gets faint. Do I have that right?

 

[vferrari]

I gotta get across the pond sometime. Bucket list.

 

[darktower007]

I prob should use descrim but I never do. I come from the f70 and so I'm use to chatter..

The iron tones tell me where something may have stood long ago.

I use 12 kHz tx 2-3 silencer -1 full tones no notches.

Deep targets squeak silently. No vdi.

In extreme iron worry not about depth... it's not going to happen.
Pick the off set high tone and dig!

Scarce can slaw and bottle caps I dig it all in cleaner sites. It sucks but you gotta dig crap to get treasure.

In Tennessee the sink rate is pretty low due to clay and chert. Deepest silver I've dug is 8 inches.


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[Calabash Digger]

that's exactly what I diid too and just disc up to 10 and rid of all iron. I put it in pitch mode in the house and disc up to 10 and cut iron vol off and nail was gone too.

Calabash, I'm looking forward to seeing your tests with the pitch mode. When testing this setting after getting my Deus a while back I just used my hot program which is very close to your relic program (full tones) and just switched to pitch mode in the tones menu leaving the other settings the same. My ground is very hot compared to your milder ground so I'll be waiting to see your results.

 

[Eu_citzen]

Ok. I am understanding this better. You are basically using iron volume in pitch mode with the "tone break" being the discrimination setting. Two-tone vs. pitch doesn't give you the sense of depth, guess, correct? I guess you could lower audio response with two-tone to get the depth sense, but then the tone gets faint. Do I have that right?

I actually like using a lower audio response, those 'whispers' alert me to any deep (and often good) finds.
Feels odd to use the first time around, though! I gotta try pitch.

 

[vferrari]

Before I used to full tones, I used gold field at the beach, it really sounded off on the tiniest targets in the sand. Similarly it worked well in highly mineralized soils because it seemed to me to punch through the muck. Target ID told me whether to dig or not and since it was pitch mode could easily discern the target size and pinpoint all at once. I still use a gold field variant program at 4khz as a custom ptogram slot if I want to get a different look at a target I've picked up in full tones.

 

[Professor of Engineering]

Hello Calabash Digger,

Thank you so much for all the videos, they are very informative!

Regards,

Doc

 

[Calabash Digger]

thanks been hot so been doing test videos, but will have those finds videos up shortly.

 

[JccEldreth]

Hi Calabash,
I have watched the video (s) and still am having trouble getting your program for deep silver coins. (I am a new deus owner)
Could you spell it out, I would love to try it.
Thank you!

 

[the_mad_cladder]

Will switching to full tones fix this issue? I haven’t used the program on 102 but I have the programs on 105,106 loaded on my deus. Do those programs have the same issue?

 

[Calabash Digger]

yes same issue with full tones.
DEEP coin program.
TONES YOUR CHOICE
7KH SILENCER -1 REACTIVITY 2 , SOME RUN 1 IN CLEAN GROUND BUT I NEVER HAVE.
IRON VOL 1, DISC 6 TO 10, NO NOTCH, SENS 90 TO 93 AND TX 3 IF CAN GET AWAY WITH IT IN YOUR GROUND.

 

[dirtlooter]

yes same issue with full tones.
DEEP coin program.
TONES YOUR CHOICE
7KH SILENCER -1 REACTIVITY 2 , SOME RUN 1 IN CLEAN GROUND BUT I NEVER HAVE.
IRON VOL 1, DISC 6 TO 10, NO NOTCH, SENS 90 TO 93 AND TX 3 IF CAN GET AWAY WITH IT IN YOUR GROUND.

going to try this one