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    What REALLY happened to Dean Martin's son, Deano?

    Back in the 1970s, Dean Martin's son, Deano, was a fighter pilot in the U.S. Air Force Reserve (or Air Guard, I don't remember which) out in California. He supposed died in the crash of a jet he was flying. This is the "thing" that put his Dad's health in a tail spin that he didn't recover from.

    Anyway, I remember the newsflash on TV claimed that Deano was flying a low-level training mission, when he hit the ground. The aircraft he normally flew was the F-4C/D Phantom II, which requires a 2-man crew; the pilot and the Radar Intercept Officer. This is an important piece of info because when I saw the evening news that day, there was a video shot made from a helicopter flying low, over the supposed crashsite. I say "supposed" because all that could be seen was a black, oval shaped smear on the ground where his craft supposedly hit. Point 1: There was NO wreckage to be seen, even though the F-4 Phantom is a vary large, twin-jet fighter and the spot was on the side slop of a rolling hillside in California. If you've ever been to the Central Coast area of California, you'll know the type of terrain I'm talking about. Spotty tree growth and open gulleys. If a jet fighter had really crashed there, there would have been plenty of wreckage to be seen. Point 2: The news chopper was the first over the scene and there had been no time for the wreckage to be recovered. Yet, there was none. Point 3: There was NO crater; just a plowed furrow surrounded by blacken soil. Point 4: The military immediately closed off the area on the ground and the airspace over the site. That news film of the crash site was broadcast only once or twice; then stopped. I was in the Air Force at the time and I remember thinking, "no way is that the crashsite of an F-4 or anyother aircraft." The bareness of the site was damned strange.

    Being in the service, you get wind of what we called "rumors and propaganda" about a lot of things and one that I heard about Deano's crash was that he was flying a familiarization mission in a captured Russian Mig. Well, that still doesn't explain the absence of any crash debris. We did have at least one Mig, but there was no way that an Air Reserve or Air Guard pilot would have been flying it. Those birds were being evaluated by active duty Air Force pilots who were qualified Test Pilots.

    So that brings me back to the thread question: What REALLY happened to Dean Martin's son? Does anyone on this forum remember that time and have you any additional information? All newspapers and TV reports said he died in the crash of an aircraft, but why no debris and why was a complete blackout put on any specifics and why was the area, later, scrapped clean?

    That story has really bugged the crap out of me for these 28 or so years. Could this have been some sort of paranormal situation? a UFO incident? I thought of posting this on the Paranormal forum, but......
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    Re: What REALLY happened to Dean Martin's son, Deano?

    My newspaper research shows that Dean Paul Martin, Jr was into alot of things....if these newspaper articles are correct.

    (The following article runs several days in several diff newspapers)
    Bucks County Courier Times
    Levittown, Pennsylvania
    18 January 1974
    [Heading] Dean Martin's son held for possession of firearms.
    [Bits and Pieces] He was 22 and arrested by federal agents who said they found 5 machine guns and a cannon in his Beverly Hills home. He was a member of a teen-age rock 'n roll group a few years ago and was a premed student at UCLA. (the rock group was called "Dino, Dezi and Billy Trio" (Lucille Ball's son...Billy was just another boy, not related to anyone famous). Dean Jr is married to Olivia Hussey.

    The Ada Evening News
    Ada, Oklahoma
    20 January 1974
    Released on a $5,000 personal recognizance bond after entering no plea at his arraignment. Charges were for receiving $675 for a fully automatic Russian AK47 assault rifle and a fully automatic US M16 rifle. He sold them to an uncover agent.

    News Journal
    Mansfield, Ohio
    12 June 1974
    Pleaded quilty Tuesday in federal court to illegal possession of a machine gun and an anti-tank gun. He was attempting to earn a position on the Portland Storm Team of the new World Football League when he was arrested on Jan 16th. He has to return 1 July for sentencing, which he could get a max of 10 yrs in prison and a $10,000 fine on the one count.

    Wisconsin State Journal
    Madison, Wisconsin
    30 October 1977
    Dean Paul Martin, Jr., 25, and his wife, actress Olivia Hussey, recently filed for divorce in California. Olivia asked for custody and support of their 4 year old son, Alexander Gunther Martin. Dino and Olivia were married in 1971, separated last year.

    20 June 1978 newspaper states that Ali McGraw was flying to England to play the older woman in a romance with Dean Martin Jr.

    The Daily Intelligencer
    Doylestown, Pennsylvania
    14 January 1980
    Desi Arnaz Jr and Linda Purl were married in a private ceremony in Los Angeles. Dean Paul Martin Jr was an usher.

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    Re: What REALLY happened to Dean Martin's son, Deano?

    Ron and Ann:

    Thank you for all of these newspaper clips and the additional info. I was quite a bit off on the year, but otherwise, I still have that picture in my mind of the supposed crashsite. That video from the news chopper was not of a cliff face or steep mountain side. The description given out by the military did not match the scene and the newies were warned off by the military and the area around the site was made a no-fly zone just as I said in my first post. All of these conflicting points are why I've never forgotten the crash. I know this sounds like I'm pushing a conspiracy theory situation, but it's the truth. The news releases from the Air Force just did not match the "visuals". With the crash happening in the 1980s, I was an aircrew member then, and that would have reinforced my doubts with personal experiences and training. My memory was placing the time frame in the 1980s because I was stationed at Vandenberg during the first half of the 80s, and the picture of the crash scene looked so much like the rolling hills in the central coast area. I'm not real sure why I was thinking it was the 1970s.

    I see in your signature that you're geneologists. Did you get those newsclippings from Ancestry.com? If so, guess I could have done that if I'd really been using my head. I, also, belong to Ancestry.com.
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    Re: What REALLY happened to Dean Martin's son, Deano?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shortstack
    Ron and Ann:

    Thank you for all of these newspaper clips and the additional info. I was quite a bit off on the year, but otherwise, I still have that picture in my mind of the supposed crashsite. That video from the news chopper was not of a cliff face or steep mountain side. The description given out by the military did not match the scene and the newies were warned off by the military and the area around the site was made a no-fly zone just as I said in my first post. All of these conflicting points are why I've never forgotten the crash. I know this sounds like I'm pushing a conspiracy theory situation, but it's the truth. The news releases from the Air Force just did not match the "visuals". With the crash happening in the 1980s, I was an aircrew member then, and that would have reinforced my doubts with personal experiences and training. My memory was placing the time frame in the 1980s because I was stationed at Vandenberg during the first half of the 80s, and the picture of the crash scene looked so much like the rolling hills in the central coast area. I'm not real sure why I was thinking it was the 1970s.

    I see in your signature that you're geneologists. Did you get those newsclippings from Ancestry.com? If so, guess I could have done that if I'd really been using my head. I, also, belong to Ancestry.com.
    You are most welcomed! I am a member of Ancestry as well and I am sure these articles would have been there...but I also have a subscription to Newspaper Archives (more papers than Ancestry) and I love going through the papers, never know what you may find of interest. I have found it to be a great tool for genealogical research! Then I use Snag-it to capture my images / photos! That is an awesome program!

    And I so love coming on here and seeing what folks post and trying to find something in the papers...that is so much fun!
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    Re: What REALLY happened to Dean Martin's son, Deano?

    try to contact Linda Moulton howe - contact info on coast to Coast AM radio site. She investigates and reports on strange aerial phenomenon including UFOs, crop circles and other things. She may have additional info on this crash and what caused it. siegfried schlagrule
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    Re: What REALLY happened to Dean Martin's son, Deano?

    Interesting event, Shortstack.

    I don't really have any memory of it occurring.

    Not quite sure of the 'picture' you have of the site...
    March AFB is really quite a ways from the CA central coast.

    Fascinating how a news report pops up about selling machine guns to a fed agent,
    then 10yrs later flying military jets. AND weapons at Hollywood home, too.

    Someone must have dropped the papers on the floor, somewhere.

    I am a pathological liar and a functional illiterate.

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    Re: What REALLY happened to Dean Martin's son, Deano?

    SS:
    I hadn't thought of Linda Howe or other UFO investigators living/working in that area. I should have. I've been a MUFON Field Investigator for about 4 years and have contact info for her and several other folks.

    Goober:
    What I saw on the news was not "stock footage". The video ran as a Breaking News item because of who the pilot was.

    rmptr:
    I know what you mean about the civilian record being "put aside". The F-4C/D Phantom was Special Weapons capable. Military pilots, even Air Guard and Air Reserves, must have security clearances. Deano's background should have disqualified him for one. There were too many "loose ends" dangling on the story. The reason I used the Central Coast of Ca. as a reference was as an example of the type of terrain where the crash "smug" was located. The distance from March AFB to the Central Coast of CA. is not that important; especially when you're talking about jet fighter training missions. The career field I was in when I was stationed at Vandenberg was one deeply involved with Research and Development. An assignment for a highly classified situation came up and after a little checking into; I turned it down because it meant moving to Edwards AFB and then leaving on Monday mornings and returning Friday afternoons......every week. I had a young wife and family and did not think it would have been "right" to get into that. The Chief Master Sargeant, program manager in charge of recruiting for the position told me that he appreciated my decision. With the different little things I could find out, back channelling coupled with a healthy dose of "hindsight", that job probably dealt with the F-117, the B-2, or the testing program for the airborne laser platform. Where you leave from and return to, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with where you may actually work.

    One never knows for sure, what's going on with military and / or governmental Black Projects programs. For the most part; I have no problem with the military's work. It's the damn government black projects that scare me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shortstack View Post
    Back in the 1970s, Dean Martin's son, Deano, was a fighter pilot in the U.S. Air Force Reserve (or Air Guard, I don't remember which) out in California. He supposed died in the crash of a jet he was flying. This is the "thing" that put his Dad's health in a tail spin that he didn't recover from.

    Anyway, I remember the newsflash on TV claimed that Deano was flying a low-level training mission, when he hit the ground. The aircraft he normally flew was the F-4C/D Phantom II, which requires a 2-man crew; the pilot and the Radar Intercept Officer. This is an important piece of info because when I saw the evening news that day, there was a video shot made from a helicopter flying low, over the supposed crashsite. I say "supposed" because all that could be seen was a black, oval shaped smear on the ground where his craft supposedly hit. Point 1: There was NO wreckage to be seen, even though the F-4 Phantom is a vary large, twin-jet fighter and the spot was on the side slop of a rolling hillside in California. If you've ever been to the Central Coast area of California, you'll know the type of terrain I'm talking about. Spotty tree growth and open gulleys. If a jet fighter had really crashed there, there would have been plenty of wreckage to be seen. Point 2: The news chopper was the first over the scene and there had been no time for the wreckage to be recovered. Yet, there was none. Point 3: There was NO crater; just a plowed furrow surrounded by blacken soil. Point 4: The military immediately closed off the area on the ground and the airspace over the site. That news film of the crash site was broadcast only once or twice; then stopped. I was in the Air Force at the time and I remember thinking, "no way is that the crashsite of an F-4 or anyother aircraft." The bareness of the site was damned strange.

    Being in the service, you get wind of what we called "rumors and propaganda" about a lot of things and one that I heard about Deano's crash was that he was flying a familiarization mission in a captured Russian Mig. Well, that still doesn't explain the absence of any crash debris. We did have at least one Mig, but there was no way that an Air Reserve or Air Guard pilot would have been flying it. Those birds were being evaluated by active duty Air Force pilots who were qualified Test Pilots.

    So that brings me back to the thread question: What REALLY happened to Dean Martin's son? Does anyone on this forum remember that time and have you any additional information? All newspapers and TV reports said he died in the crash of an aircraft, but why no debris and why was a complete blackout put on any specifics and why was the area, later, scrapped clean?

    That story has really bugged the crap out of me for these 28 or so years. Could this have been some sort of paranormal situation? a UFO incident? I thought of posting this on the Paranormal forum, but......
    "I was there" as they say.{QUOTE: Davclas}

    I was part of a training exercise in Mojave Desert in March 1987 for 21 days of desert warfare training including 'Live Fire' with combined Air/Land forces toward the end of the exercise. This was my second tour to Mojave Desert for training (1st in March 1986). During the combined forces 'Live Fire' portion of the training (Army, Air Force and Marines) an Air Force accident claimed the life of Dean Martin's son Dino, who was scheduled to fly simulated bombing runs for the exercise. Somewhere during the mission the following event; (from California Air National Guard report) "Dean Paul "Dino" Martin, 35, son of entertainer Dean Martin was killed when the Phantom jet he was piloting crashed into the San Bernardino Mountains. Permission was given by March Air Force Base ATC to perform a "maximum climb" takeoff. The aircraft was seen disappearing into a scattered cloud ceiling at 4,700 feet. Radar contact was lost 9 minutes into the flight. The crash site was found on the 3rd day of searching in the San Bernardino Mountains. An investigation revealed the aircraft flew, inverted, into a solid wall of granite between two mountain peaks at an altitude of 3,750 feet and at an estimated speed of 560 mph. The aircraft was literally pulverized into the granite. The "maximum climb" takeoff, g forces associated with this type of flight and the dense cloud cover negatively affected the pilots ability to know his position and aircraft attitude." It took 3 days to find the site because so little wreckage remained after that type of impact. {QUOTE}

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    WOW, It took almost 4 years to figure this one out.I was beginning to wonder because those F4's were used to dive on AA missile sites and fire radar homing missilesName:  hand print-2_edited-5.jpg
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    Greetings, to ease your mind I recall that incident well. Martin served with the 163rd Air National Guard stationed at then March Air Force Base (now Air Reserve Base). The 163rd was my servicing CBPO and logistics provider for the Combat Comm unit I was in; the 148th CCSQ (since BRACíd).

    Martin was flying in tandem with two other sorties. They were flying toward mount San Gorgonio, the highest peak in southern California at 11,503 ft. Rumors at the time were that Ontario IAP air traffic controllers miscalculated where they aircraft were and directed them into the mountain side. The two other sorties, highly experienced war pilots from Viet Nam, pulled off but Martin and his wingman did not. The San Bernardino Mountains were sopped in clouds and snowing at the time so there was no visibility and the pilots were flying by instrument.

    These mountains are also granite which means there would be no crater from the crash and the plane would disintegrate upon impact. I know, as Iíve lived in these mountains for 20 years. That also explains why the crash site would be barren minus small debris with blackened rock.

    What has bothered me about the incident is the lack of clarification of the role the air traffic controllers played in his death and if indeed what was going around at the time was true.

    Below is a site that illustrates some of what may have happened as well as information on Martin;

    TogetherWeServed - Capt Dean Paul Martin


    Below is also an additional site with some individuals who are knowledgeable of the crash site;

    How Did Dean Martin's Son Die? - Wreckchasing Message Board
    Last edited by garoldcole; Aug 01, 2013 at 06:34 PM.

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    There was a guy named Markham from Blackfoot, Idaho. He flew F-4's. He was killed in a crash very similar to Martin's. His wife sued the manufacturer of the attitude instrument in the F-4's, and won a large judgement. Apparently there was a series of incidents caused by a mis-reading instrument. That caused pilots, when visibility was poor, to think they were flying upright when they were flying inverted, or nearly so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shortstack View Post
    Back in the 1970s, Dean Martin's son, Deano, was a fighter pilot in the U.S. Air Force Reserve (or Air Guard, I don't remember which) out in California. He supposed died in the crash of a jet he was flying. This is the "thing" that put his Dad's health in a tail spin that he didn't recover from.

    Anyway, I remember the newsflash on TV claimed that Deano was flying a low-level training mission, when he hit the ground. The aircraft he normally flew was the F-4C/D Phantom II, which requires a 2-man crew; the pilot and the Radar Intercept Officer. This is an important piece of info because when I saw the evening news that day, there was a video shot made from a helicopter flying low, over the supposed crashsite. I say "supposed" because all that could be seen was a black, oval shaped smear on the ground where his craft supposedly hit. Point 1: There was NO wreckage to be seen, even though the F-4 Phantom is a vary large, twin-jet fighter and the spot was on the side slop of a rolling hillside in California. If you've ever been to the Central Coast area of California, you'll know the type of terrain I'm talking about. Spotty tree growth and open gulleys. If a jet fighter had really crashed there, there would have been plenty of wreckage to be seen. Point 2: The news chopper was the first over the scene and there had been no time for the wreckage to be recovered. Yet, there was none. Point 3: There was NO crater; just a plowed furrow surrounded by blacken soil. Point 4: The military immediately closed off the area on the ground and the airspace over the site. That news film of the crash site was broadcast only once or twice; then stopped. I was in the Air Force at the time and I remember thinking, "no way is that the crashsite of an F-4 or anyother aircraft." The bareness of the site was damned strange.

    Being in the service, you get wind of what we called "rumors and propaganda" about a lot of things and one that I heard about Deano's crash was that he was flying a familiarization mission in a captured Russian Mig. Well, that still doesn't explain the absence of any crash debris. We did have at least one Mig, but there was no way that an Air Reserve or Air Guard pilot would have been flying it. Those birds were being evaluated by active duty Air Force pilots who were qualified Test Pilots.

    So that brings me back to the thread question: What REALLY happened to Dean Martin's son? Does anyone on this forum remember that time and have you any additional information? All newspapers and TV reports said he died in the crash of an aircraft, but why no debris and why was a complete blackout put on any specifics and why was the area, later, scrapped clean?

    That story has really bugged the crap out of me for these 28 or so years. Could this have been some sort of paranormal situation? a UFO incident? I thought of posting this on the Paranormal forum, but......
    Often wondered about it too... post it on Paranormal Section, anyway; SOMEONE may know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    Often wondered about it too... post it on Paranormal Section, anyway; SOMEONE may know!
    Would be GOOD to hear him, from the "other side"...

 

 

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