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    Quote Originally Posted by Chadeaux View Post
    Hi Jeff.

    The problem is with the decision being made by the guy in the White House, WITHOUT due process . . . namely proving before a judge and jury that the individual has committed a crime worthy of depriving him/her of life as retribution. All U.S. Citizens have this right, but an end around the constitution has been attempted and acted upon in violation of the laws of the land.

    What laws?

    The Constitution IS the law of the land. Our legislators are supposed to enact laws within the framework of that document. It is our law.

    Our Judges are not there to create laws but rather to decide on the constitutionality of the laws passed by our legislators.

    The executive branch does not have the authority to make laws or decide on the constitutionality of laws passed by our legislators. The job of the executive branch is to ensure that the laws and thus the constitution are upheld -- enforcement to some extent -- and to direct the country. He can propose new laws, direct the legislators on what he wants them to consider.

    Unfortunately, this group want a king rather than a president. What's his name is acting as though he thinks he is a king rather than the Chief Executive of this country.
    I know some are not going to like my thoughts,
    but they are My thoughts

    Where does Area 51 & the signs that at least used to warn of Deadly force fit In ?

    Where does "I saw him on my neighbors Property so I shot him" fit in ?

    although there is no way to know if anyone was ever killed
    in area 51, and the signs appear to have changed, to fines & imprisonment .

    how does Due Process work for "deadly Force" & the dead ?

    I'm not disagreeing .
    I don't think the "Prezedent of oz" has a right to say "Kill him" about anyone in particular.
    u.s. citizen or someone hiding in a cave in jabip.
    as a country claiming to be better then everyone else, we need to prove it.

    But seriously, was there ever absolute "due Process" in the u.s. ?
    Last edited by jeff of pa; Jan 26, 2013 at 03:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwatts View Post
    Hi all,
    Just a newbie to this thread here, recently retired and looking for a way to fill my copius spare time once i catch up to all the "honey do's". Have read almost all of what has been posted and just thought that I woud throw in a little bit of reference from my past. In 1998 or thereabout, I was stationed at Alameda Navel Air Station across from San Francisco. We were converting the base to Civilian use and I was living on the base in one of the ex-military houses. One weekend, I went to a Estate sale up near Berkely and bought a whole box of books for about $4.00 as I remember. In the box, when i got it home was a book printed by the United Nations under the auspicies of what I remember as the International Socialist League.

    Out of boredom I sat down one night and started reading the book and it was a blueprint for turnig the United States Socialist. One of the things that i most remember aside from subversion of the Police, Schools, media and eventually the military was the comment that in order for this to suceed, the United States had to be brought to it's knees. the reasoning was that there was no way to raise the rest of the world up to our level, so the agenda was to bring down the U.S. to the rest of the world's level.

    I wish I could find it again, but i have it packed away in one of our boxes somewhere since I can see this happening while I am watching. Take a good look around, it happening as we speak!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff of pa View Post
    I know some are not going to like my thoughts,
    but they are My thoughts

    Where does Area 51 & the signs that at least used to warn of Deadly force fit In ?

    Where does "I saw him on my neighbors Property so I shot him" fit in ?

    although there is no way to know if anyone was ever killed
    in area 51, and the signs appear to have changed, to fines & imprisonment .

    how does Due Process work for "deadly Force" & the dead ?

    I'm not disagreeing .
    I don't think the "Prezedent of oz" has a right to say "Kill him" about anyone in particular.
    u.s. citizen or someone hiding in a cave in jabip.
    as a country claiming to be better then everyone else, we need to prove it.

    But seriously, was there ever absolute "due Process" in the u.s. ?
    Well, just the fact that you are on the property after being warned that death was a possibility would show a violation of the law. That it warns of deadly force does not always mean that it will be used. It depends on the individual and how they react when confronted. I've seen video that showed people entering area 51 as well. Some were caught, but none were killed. Why? Not because they were recording but because they were non hostile trespassers. Hostility would have been met with the same or greater force. Because they were warned, knew they were breaking the law and could not have been where they were without breaking the law, their actions are what kept them from being killed. Military bases must be protected by all means necessary.

    Due process is what happens when you are charged, prosecuted in court and then either declared innocent or guilty. I can't answer how it works for the folks that guy in DC has killed with drones, but on the other hand, dead men tell no tales.

    Your rights are being eaten away. If you are in the process of committing a crime, and the officer or citizen you are violating feels threatened they have a right to protect themselves. Then THEY face a jury of their peers to determine if they had reason to deprive that person (in the heat of the moment) of life.

    With that guy, we are talking about premeditated murder. Much like Joe Blow deciding to take out his ex . . . except that guy in DC is doing it without fear of reprisal because he's attempting to write the rules as he goes along. Doesn't that sound fair? Wouldn't you like to do that when you gamble --- make up new rules as you go along so that you always win?
    "When under trial, let no one say: 'I am being tried by God.' For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. . . . Do not be misled, my beloved brothers. Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows." --- James 1:13, 16, 17

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    Re: Why We Feel The Need To Defend the 2nd Amendent

    What bothers me is all of these "executive orders" he keeps signing. That is just a way to bypass the Constitution's balance of powers. He really thinks he is above the law and Congress is letting him get away with it.

    Cliff

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    Ppl killed by drones are not US citizens... in time of WAR; remember 9l11...?
    Last edited by Rebel - KGC; Jan 26, 2013 at 09:50 AM.

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    Because bring stones to a gun fight is a bad idea, with out the 2nd Amendment that`s all we will have left!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.A.P.metal View Post
    Because bring stones to a gun fight is a bad idea, with out the 2nd Amendment that`s all we will have left!!
    Gary
    Repeat after me... GUN CONTROL! GUN CONTROL! GUN CONTROL! NOTHING about losing your 2nd Amendment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    Repeat after me... GUN CONTROL! GUN CONTROL! GUN CONTROL! NOTHING about losing your 2nd Amendment...
    Ever hear "give them one slice at a time,soon,they have the whole loaf"what is your problem man?
    EVER WONDER WHERE YOUR THOUGHTS COME FROM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by worldtalker View Post
    Ever hear "give them one slice at a time,soon,they have the whole loaf"what is your problem man?
    Don't HAVE a problem... YOU do!

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    Can someone just shoot this thread and put everyone out of their misery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    Don't HAVE a problem... YOU do!
    No,it's just I suffer the burden of other peoples problems.
    EVER WONDER WHERE YOUR THOUGHTS COME FROM?

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    Its hard for me to understand why any American would want gun control.
    gun control will not stop crazies from killing,or stop criminals,or drug use
    or anything else in the fing world.it will only effect law abiding citizens.
    worldtalker and Chadeaux like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    Ppl killed by drones are not US citizens...
    Can you be certain of that?
    Restore Freedom and get us out of the UNITED NATIONS NOW!!!!!!
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    I think Rebel just likes to argue.....
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