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    Will You Submit & Obey?

    Eric Peters
    Jan 28, 2013

    n New York, we have a prequel of what’s to come – the repeal of the Second Amendment and summary criminalization of peaceful citizens merely for possessing the means of self-defense, even in their own homes. As in Great Britain, citizens of NY face prison if they use proscribed weapons against murderous thugs – even in their own homes. The tyrants Michael Bloomberg and Andrew Cuomo have made their decision. Now New Yorkers will have to make theirs. And so will the rest of us – if, as seems likely, the federal tyrants succeed in issuing a New York-style fatwa that applies to the rest of the country. Which brings us to the question:

    What will you do?

    It is a very hard question. Perhaps the hardest question Americans have had to face since 1861. As then, there may be no peaceful way to preserve our rights. There may be blood. As then, one side is absolutely determined to impose its will at bayonet-point. To murder us in the thousands – perhaps millions, this time - if we refuse to submit. There is no reasoning, no discussing. What we face is violence against our persons by people who absolutely will not leave us in peace – no matter how peaceful we try to be – until we have submitted to them utterly and for all time to come. We wish only to be left alone – and demand that our right to defend ourselves against those who will not leave us alone be respected. That self-defense is the most basic of rights – a right conceded even to the lowest animal. They do not acknowledge our rights; they despise the very notion of us having any rights at all. They regard their power over us as limitless in principle – and rage at even the smallest assertion of freedom of action. They loathe our guns because our ownership of guns is an expression of our determination to defend our very lives – and thus, of self-ownership.

    And that is what cannot be tolerated. Which is why the current bum-rush to disarm us has become absolutely frantic. The moment is at hand. We will either stand up and be reckoned with as free men – or we will sit down forever and accept any degradation, any humiliation. And in that case, we shall have proved worthy of such treatment.

    Future generations will look upon us with the same mixture of incomprehension and contempt that our generation looked upon those who meekly lined up naked in queue for their turn at the edge of the pit. Because it will come to that, in time.

    For decades, in a slow and incremental way, they have progressively increased their claims on us. On the most intimate details of our private lives. On our literal bodies and those of our children. We no longer enjoy even the vestigial liberty of being free in our own homes. They are everywhere. They recognize no limits, no boundary beyond which they may not assert themselves over us. They read and record our conversations. They demand to know the minutia of our finances. They tell us with whom we must do business – and under what conditions. They lay claim to an unlimited amount of our income. They deny us even the prospect of real ownership of anything more than the clothes on our backs. They assert their “right” – that is, their unchecked power to do us violence – for any and no reason at all, beyond the reason that they have power and we do not. We are on the cusp now of literal, physical enslavement. Of being owned – because we are about to be rendered utterly defenseless.

    Legally rendered defenseless.

    If that is not just cause for resistance, then there is no cause for resisting anything, ever. Which is exactly the point being insisted upon: That we have no right to resist, because we have no rights. It is our role to Submit and Obey. Immediately, quietly. To anything and everything they tell us to do. To complacently accept as natural and right that our lives are the playthings of others – who may do with us as they please. That our lives do not matter. Because we do not own our lives.

    Our lives are owned by them.

    If we lose this battle, then we have already lost the war. The rest will be a mopping up operation. Having taken away not merely our guns but succeeded in intellectually defrocking us of the principle of self-defense and self-ownership that possessing arms affirms, it will be a very small thing indeed to take away much else besides.To take away anything – perhaps everything. Why not? We have already surrendered – and thus, already accepted the idea that nothing is off limits, that whatever small measure of vestigial liberty we may still possess is not actually possessed but merely tolerated . . . for the moment. And may be taken from us at any time, at their whim.

    A defenseless man should expect no mercy. And a man unwilling to defend himself – and his fellow men – against tyranny deservesnone.

    Michael Bloomberg and Andrew Cuomo have made their decision. Diane Feinstein and Barack Obama will soon make theirs.

    Then it will be our turn.

    I have already made mine. It is the same decision made by Joshua Boston (USMC):

    “I will not register my weapons…

    “I am not your subject…

    “I am not your peasant… .”

    I am not a “tough guy.” I am not looking for a fight. Rather, I desperately wish to avoid one. I’m a middle-aged American just trying to live my life, work, enjoy my pastimes and my friends and family. To be an American. A free American. I dearly value my life. Which is precisely why, if I am backed into a corner by those who refuse to leave me be – even though I harm none – then I will turn and fight. God help me.

    God help us all.

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    Simple answer....NO!

    Senator Rand Paul announced today he is introducing legislation in Senate to repeal BO executive orders.

    Says we already fought a war against 1 king, we are not ready to submit to another...
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    I believe the 2nd. Amendment means what it says!
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    "Will You Submit & Obey?" The first time I ever heard that phrase I was 19-years old, and standing in a room on the fourth floor of a house of ill repute in Frankfurt, Germany. I gave the same answer then. "Nope."

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    Fear. Monger it.

    yeah I had a huge post but in the end I figured it would cause more problems than *solve*. Red, Other fellow gun lovers, I bid you farewell, this continuous posting of the same tired rhetoric only serves to instill fear in others.

    If you truly feel this way, I urge you to be both creative and constructive. I hope the next new thread I see starts with: This is what I did (off of the computer) today to help, who wants to join me tomorrow. With every detraction there should be at least one addition, for every problem you bring to light try to think of at least one feasible solution. (I feel like I'm opening myself up to a lot of extremist answers here). I know the people of this great country have always and will always have the greatest of potential, but it's only when we become constructive instead of destructive that our greatest colors show.

    I'm just so very tired of all this hate.
    and I apologize if I have offended.
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    Since Supreme Court says the police have no legal duty to protect individual citizens from crime the responsibility falls on the citizens to protect ourselves. They cannot say the police have no legal duty to protect citizens and then say citizens have no legal right to protect theirselves......



    SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES No. 04-278 TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO, PETITIONER v. JESSICA GONZALES

    "It is well-settled fact of American law that the police have no legal duty to protect any individual citizen from crime, even if the citizen has received death threats and the police have negligently failed to provide protection."


    American Jurisprudence, 2nd Edition. Source:16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177, late 2d, Sec 256
    "The General rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted."


    MILLER v United States 230 F 2d 486 1956
    "The claim and exercise of a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT cannot thus be converted into a crime."


    Last edited by Treasure_Hunter; Jan 29, 2013 at 07:18 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treasure_Hunter View Post
    Since Supreme Court says the police have no legal dury to protect individual citizens from crime the responsibility falls on the citizens to protect ourselves. They cannot say the police have no legal duty to protect citizens and then say citizens have no legal right to protect theirselves......



    SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES No. 04-278 TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO, PETITIONER v. JESSICA GONZALES

    "It is well-settled fact of American law that the police have no legal duty to protect any individual citizen from crime, even if the citizen has received death threats and the police have negligently failed to provide protection."


    American Jurisprudence, 2nd Edition. Source:16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177, late 2d, Sec 256
    "The General rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted."


    MILLER v United States 230 F 2d 486 1956
    "The claim and exercise of a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT cannot thus be converted into a crime."


    Let Anarchy REIGN!

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    No, I provide my own security....
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    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

    Si vis pacem, para bellum "If you want peace, prepare for war!

    USAF 1967-1971

    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treasure_Hunter View Post
    No, I provide my own security....
    YEP! EVERY man/woman for him/herself...
    Last edited by Rebel - KGC; Jan 29, 2013 at 02:59 PM.

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    tlowery, it is not time for any action yet. There is nothing anyone can physically do at this point except express your individual side of the debate, buy more guns and support the NRA. To say nothing at this point would encourage those wanting to limit our rights. If we all left the debate there would be nothing left to debate. It's quite humorous to me to see a populous, that professes to hate the rich, getting told by a multi-billionaire they cannot protect themselves and the limit on the size of soft drinks they can have. I guess the shootings in NYC have stopped and there are no fat people left? Now let's work on eliminating stupid!
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    They will find bigfoot and the lochness monster before they disarm me.. One American here that simply will not tolerate it.
    God made man.. Sam Colt made them equal

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    Quote Originally Posted by pong12211 View Post
    They will find bigfoot and the lochness monster before they disarm me.. One American here that simply will not tolerate it.
    What IF... it was Xena...? The She-Hunky LEATHER Queen...?
    Last edited by Rebel - KGC; Jan 29, 2013 at 03:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    What IF... it was Xena...?
    That makes sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlowery04 View Post
    Fear. Monger it.

    yeah I had a huge post but in the end I figured it would cause more problems than *solve*. Red, Other fellow gun lovers, I bid you farewell, this continuous posting of the same tired rhetoric only serves to instill fear in others.

    If you truly feel this way, I urge you to be both creative and constructive. I hope the next new thread I see starts with: This is what I did (off of the computer) today to help, who wants to join me tomorrow. With every detraction there should be at least one addition, for every problem you bring to light try to think of at least one feasible solution. (I feel like I'm opening myself up to a lot of extremist answers here). I know the people of this great country have always and will always have the greatest of potential, but it's only when we become constructive instead of destructive that our greatest colors show.

    I'm just so very tired of all this hate.
    and I apologize if I have offended.

    Tlowery, I don't see hate in those wanting to protect the second amendment but I do see a bunch of passionate people not wanting to just roll over and let a president that has made his feelings known about wanting to kowtow to other countries before he stands up for the country he was elected to represent.I will not stand silent.
    Last edited by CoilyGirl; Jan 29, 2013 at 03:36 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlowery04 View Post
    Fear. Monger it.

    yeah I had a huge post but in the end I figured it would cause more problems than *solve*. Red, Other fellow gun lovers, I bid you farewell, this continuous posting of the same tired rhetoric only serves to instill fear in others.

    If you truly feel this way, I urge you to be both creative and constructive. I hope the next new thread I see starts with: This is what I did (off of the computer) today to help, who wants to join me tomorrow. With every detraction there should be at least one addition, for every problem you bring to light try to think of at least one feasible solution. (I feel like I'm opening myself up to a lot of extremist answers here). I know the people of this great country have always and will always have the greatest of potential, but it's only when we become constructive instead of destructive that our greatest colors show.

    I'm just so very tired of all this hate.
    and I apologize if I have offended.
    Do as you wish, But I will not submit, give up my guns or any other rights. We are Americans, and the fact some Americans are so willing to throw their rights away is disturbing to say the least. Just waht did all our soldiers over the years die for anyways? For us to just throw it all away? NO........people get a grip!
    Restore Freedom and get us out of the UNITED NATIONS NOW!!!!!!
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