Amazing Race insults Viet Nam Vets

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Subject: American Legion Commander: CBS Should Apologize for Insulting Vietnam War Veterans

National Commander James Koutz has sent a letter of protest to CBS regarding a recent broadcast of the show “The Amazing Race” which insults Vietnam Veterans. Below is a Fox News article which contains some background. It is followed by National Commander Koutz’s letter and a news release by American Legion National Headquarters which was issued to the media.



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Bob Beckel Outraged Over CBS Airing B-52 Memorial During ‘Amazing Race’ Episode: “Take That Show and Shove It!”



CBS’s reality show the “Amazing Race” featured an episode set in Vietnam where contestants went to a B-52 Memorial, which is wreckage of an American B-52 bomber shot down during the Vietnam War.

“How did it not cross the producers’ minds that this might offend the men who fought in Vietnam and the families of those who died there?” Greg Gutfeld questioned on The Five.

Bob Beckel didn’t hold back any punches. “I’m so outraged by this I can’t believe it. CBS is idiotic, they’re stupid. The idea that they would put something like that on TV, […] to have people go to a memorial where Americans died, then you ought to get off the network. Take that show and shove it!”

He charged, “It was a communist show put on a by a network that out to know better.”

They also had to learn a song performed by kids in front of a portrait of former communist leader Ho Chi Minh. One contestant remarked, “It’s like One Direction,” referring to the popular European boy band.

Gutfeld remarked, “Yes, if that direction was the inevitable massacre of millions of Vietnamese.”

Mr. Leslie Moonves

President & CEO

CBS Headquarters

51 W 52nd St

New York, N.Y. 10019



Dear President Moonves:



As National Commander of the 2.4 million member American Legion and as a Vietnam War veteran, I would like to register my disappointment at the disgraceful slap in the face administered to American war heroes during your recent broadcast of the show “The Amazing Race.”



The show is called “The Amazing Race” but I prefer to call it “The Amazing Gall.” In a broadcast reminiscent of Tokyo Rose, reality game show contestants visited a ‘B-52 Memorial’ in Vietnam, which featured the wreckage of a B-52 bomber shot down during the war. What wasn’t shown were the U.S. crewmembers that were killed or the grieving American families that were left behind. The Department of Defense is encouraging Americans to honor and commemorate our Vietnam War veterans for the sacrifice that they made 50 years ago. The American Legion takes this obligation very seriously. We only wish that the network that once gave us Kate Smith—famous for her rendition of ‘God Bless America’—would return to its great roots and not be so eager to broadcast anti-American propaganda.



Not only did your show do a disservice to those who served aboard the B-52, it included young people singing songs with the lyrics, “Vietnam Communist Party is glorious…Socialism is growing more beautiful with time. Follow the party’s step. Be loyal. Be pure…”



A prominent Legionnaire from Iowa said to me, “As a Marine Corps veteran having served two tours in Vietnam, it is extremely offensive to me and our country to glorify a communist regime that without mercy killed and tortured our Vietnam allies and now is portrayed as something that is acceptable in our society.”



Mr. Moonves, at the very least, I think that you owe our Vietnam War veterans an apology.



Sincerely

,



James E. Koutz

National Commander





American Legion Commander: CBS Should Apologize for Insulting Vietnam War Veterans

INDIANAPOLIS (March 20, 2013) -- In a scathing letter sent to CBS, Vietnam War veteran and American Legion National Commander James E. Koutz called for the Tiffany Network to apologize for “its disgraceful slap-in-the face administered to American war heroes” during a prime time broadcast Sunday night.

“The show is called ‘The Amazing Race,’ but I call it ‘The Amazing Gall,’” Koutz said. “In a broadcast reminiscent of Tokyo Rose, reality game show contestants visited a ‘B-52 Memorial’ in Vietnam, which featured the wreckage of a B-52 bomber shot down during the war. What wasn’t shown were the U.S. crewmembers that were killed or the grieving American families that were left behind. The Department of Defense is encouraging Americans to honor and commemorate our Vietnam War veterans for the sacrifice that they made 50 years ago. The American Legion takes this obligation very seriously. We only wish that the network that once gave us Kate Smith – famous for her rendition of ‘God Bless America’—would return to its great roots and not be so eager to broadcast anti-American propaganda.”

The B-52 visit was not the only portion of the show that The American Legion found objectionable. Contestants watched a performance by young people singing a song before a portrait of communist leader Ho Chi Minh. Lyrics included the phrases, “Vietnam Communist Party is glorious…Socialism is growing more beautiful with time. Follow the party’s step. Be loyal. Be pure…”

Ken Danilson, a prominent Legionnaire from Iowa, was particularly offended. “As a Marine Corps veteran having served two tours in Vietnam, it is extremely offensive to me and to our country to glorify a communist regime that without mercy killed and tortured our Vietnam allies and now is portrayed as something that is acceptable in our society.”

Koutz is encouraging Americans to show support for Vietnam veterans by letting CBS know of their disapproval and by refusing to watch future episodes of the show. “Vietnam War veterans were maligned enough when they returned to this country. We need to send a loud message that we will never again tolerate America’s veterans being disrespected.”

With a current membership of 2.4-million wartime veterans, The American Legion was founded in 1919 on the four pillars of a strong national security, veterans affairs, Americanism, and youth programs. Legionnaires work for the betterment of their communities through more than 14,000 posts across the nation.
 

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So hold on. A B52 carries what...a crew of 10? and it's a "memorial", but Americans are outraged for it being visited?

The USS Arizona is resting place to over 1000 and has a million visitors a year. Why no outrage there? :icon_scratch:
 

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So hold on. A B52 carries what...a crew of 10? and it's a "memorial", but Americans are outraged for it being visited?

The USS Arizona is resting place to over 1000 and has a million visitors a year. Why no outrage there? :icon_scratch:

You sound like Jane Fonda . You not being there you have no opinion. sorry.
 

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You sound like Jane Fonda . You not being there you have no opinion. sorry.


Great response....if i'd actually had an opinion! It's a question. There's a difference mate.
 

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Sorry, but I don't watch that show so I pulled up something to better showcase the problem.

I'm not really sure if that was a memorial, more than a reminder of the war in my opinion. I think you have to put the proper perspective on this. Vietnam was at war with the US and considered us, invaders and foreign aggressors. They also appear to be proud patriots of Vietnam, no different than any American is about America.

Was it in good taste to make that scene part of the show? Probably not. It would have been offense if they had to scour the memorial for any leads, now that would be sick.
 

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Ah ok i see the confusion point now. So what you're saying Spart' is that it's not a "memorial" but just "war wreckage" left over, much like the burnt out Russian tanks around Afghanistan?

Isn't this all a bit like us Brit's getting annoyed with the BBC for having a game show that films a segment next to a statue of Paul Revere?

Lose a war...you just have to take the fact that the winners celebrate in whatever ways they can, and not whine about it! :dontknow:
 

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So hold on. A B52 carries what...a crew of 10? and it's a "memorial", but Americans are outraged for it being visited?

The USS Arizona is resting place to over 1000 and has a million visitors a year. Why no outrage there? :icon_scratch:

Morning (actually, evening where you are) Dano.

The wreckage is not a memorial to honor those dead, it is a memorial of the Communist Vietnamese CELEBRATING the deaths of American Servicemen. That is where the problem comes in.

That memorial is not a "peaceful reminder" of war and a wish for peace. It is there to celebrate the deaths of American (and other) soldiers in that war. Remember, it was officially a "U.N. Police Action", but the great majority of the troops were U.S.

That is why it was found to be offensive.
 

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As i said, it's a memorial (if it actually is) celebrating a war victory. It's a symbol of America, a Nation that bombed the living crap out of them! A Nation they purged from their shores. The NVA have a lot of "veterans" too i guess who are equally proud of their service.
Maybe the Vietnamese can't afford all the huge Bronze statues and the like that the US can. Maybe they like the symbolism it represents...dunno. I doubt the Japanese enjoy the statue of the raising of the flag over mount suribachi in Arlington, nor the French enjoy Nelson's column in London...we don't take them away though do we?

Besides...there's every possibility the crew managed to bail out. Anyone fancy doing the research?
 

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Didn't say it to come down on one side or the other mate. Said it because it's just obvious facts! Americans getting annoyed because nobody bothered dragging away a piece of war debris and it's now used as a "memorial" to that war and time, is just silly and "sour grapes" in my opinion.

I didn't see the program, so i have no idea if this wreckage actually is termed "a memorial" or it just never got moved. I use the term "memorial" because the OP used it as such.
 

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speaking of war debris, since the war ended in VietNam, 42,000 people have been killed by bombs, mines and ordnance. 350,000 tons of landmines and explosives remain scattered throughout the country. The citizens of Viet Nam will be dealing with these "memorials" forever.
 

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Why do I feel punished for being a veteran?
 

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As i said, it's a memorial (if it actually is) celebrating a war victory. It's a symbol of America, a Nation that bombed the living crap out of them! A Nation they purged from their shores. The NVA have a lot of "veterans" too i guess who are equally proud of their service.
Maybe the Vietnamese can't afford all the huge Bronze statues and the like that the US can. Maybe they like the symbolism it represents...dunno. I doubt the Japanese enjoy the statue of the raising of the flag over mount suribachi in Arlington, nor the French enjoy Nelson's column in London...we don't take them away though do we?

Besides...there's every possibility the crew managed to bail out. Anyone fancy doing the research?

I definitely understand what you are trying to say, but the point is being missed all the way round.

No, I wouldn't bring a Japanese game show crew to Jerome, Arkansas and have them compete at the site of the Japanese internment camp here in Ashley County.

I wouldn't bring that same group to visit the statue you mention and then get them to sing anti-Japanese songs in English. That would not be right.

I feel very sad for you if you don't understand the insult their show's producers were engaging in. It was done to insult veterans here.

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speaking of war debris, since the war ended in VietNam, 42,000 people have been killed by bombs, mines and ordnance. 350,000 tons of landmines and explosives remain scattered throughout the country. The citizens of Viet Nam will be dealing with these "memorials" forever.

. . . and almost 70 years removed, they are finding ordnance in Germany, England, France as well as other nations where WWII was fought.

What is the point of your statement? I know it's fashionable in some circles to blame all the world's woes on this country, but you fail to take into account the booby traps that killed thousands of citizens there (including explosives) all left by North Vietnam in addition to the land mines the North Vietnamese laid (yes, they did it too).

Your reasoning is flawed.
 

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I don't think the NVA left that much ordnance or land mines laying around the country side. It has something to do with logistics. I just stated what has happened since the end of that police action. Now, we leave Iraq to deal with whatever items we can't or won't ship home. Along with the reminders of depleted uranium from some of the weapons. No telling what we'll leave behind in Afganistan. Casca I never felt punished for being a veteran, but over the last 4 "police actions" and "authorizations for the use of force", I've questioned why the country I served is always invading others. We sure as hell aren't bringing democracy to them and I don't think we're making friends on an international scale doing such invasions.

I've noticed that China is building schools and roads, houses and airports in some of the poorest countries in the world. They're creating jobs for the people and they aren't killing them. Why would they do something like that?
 

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Better to detect than watch TV? You are not the only one, but guys our age seem scarce, except the Jodies at top level jobs whom are incompetent, The Massachusetts Welfare Dept. has to pay Federal Govt. back 27 million $ given in error since I retired!
 

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I'm use to it. When I flew back from Viet Nam in 1970, landed at Travis Air Force base. We loaded on a bus to be transported to Oak Knoll Navel Hospital. My welcome home was rotten eggs, and tomatoes, at the main gate. Good thing we were disarmed when we landed, or I would still be in prison. Problem is, that those same worthless, doped up hippies are what's running the country today. No wonder we are in the shape we're in.
 

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If we forget history, it will repeat itself. If just one person is offended, then it is wrong. In todays world someone will get offended. I can absolutely positively tell you that Veterans from that era will be offended. So will the families that lost a son or a father in the war. Im not from that time, but as long as I draw breath, Vietnam will not get any sympathy from me. How quick people forget such tragedy's. CBS is going for a rating, they got one. I don't watch that show, and probably never will. Every time I see the CBS logo, I will remember this thread. Im sure others who have read this thread will too. This thread is too close to the heart for me to be any more truthful about this subject.
 

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So hold on. A B52 carries what...a crew of 10? and it's a "memorial", but Americans are outraged for it being visited?

The USS Arizona is resting place to over 1000 and has a million visitors a year. Why no outrage there? :icon_scratch:

Americans visiting the B52 'Memorial' is equivalent to Russians visiting the Berlin Wall Memorial. Frank...
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