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[0121stockpicker]

Yes , the people that paid in get what they paid for . Course its hard to go backwards after 100 years of transfer of wealth to the govt in. In a free market , cost of living way lower . Healthcare would operate under a competition. The cost of it would be a dime on the dollar . Plus the public would have all the money they work for . Work , hard and long hours the slave gets to build capital and wealth instead of giving it to corrupt bankers . I donot say corrupt govt because they are scared and controlled by the bankers . All social programs were written and instigated by the bankers . Not because they are good compassiate people out for social justice . It was for robbery pure and simple . I see your from mass ?

Yah but as you know people are getting way way more out of socialist security and Medicare than they put in - that's one of the big big reasons our deficit is so astronomical - correct? How can we not be a socialist country without abolishing the two biggest socialist programs the world has ever seen?

 

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[0121stockpicker]

And why isn't Alan Greenspan a billionaire, etc? He is well off but most would not even consider him to be "rich"?? Given he was the leader of this global banking beast how do you think he had personally benefitted? A few book deals and some speaking engagements??

 

[Dwight Frye]

Well the Pres does not make big money and Greenspan is a bought off idiot . A billion dollars is better than being a common slave with zero hope . These few famlied have trillions . They have bought off the govt of the world .You could combine the so called riches people of the world and not come close . They do not operate in the light of day . Now you can believe it or not . They are the imf , united nations , all central banks . Control diamonds , mining , gold etc . Don't get into that lizard **** . These people are brillent . This really does not take a lot of study . You are not going to get a 100% correct answer . But form your own opinion after reading the evidence . It's truly a remarkable story .

 

[0121stockpicker]

Well the Pres does not make big money and Greenspan is a bought off idiot . A billion dollars is better than being a common slave with zero hope . These few famlied have trillions . They have bought off the govt of the world .You could combine the so called riches people of the world and not come close . They do not operate in the light of day . Now you can believe it or not . They are the imf , united nations , all central banks . Control diamonds , mining , gold etc . Don't get into that lizard **** . These people are brillent . This really does not take a lot of study . You are not going to get a 100% correct answer . But form your own opinion after reading the evidence . It's truly a remarkable story .

Greenspan worth low millions, bill Clinton's net worth also not more than 5 million and most of that is books and speaking fees. Where are all these ill gotten gains going?? We know the wealthiest people and families in the world and none of them are at all to do with central banks or governments. You know the names and info of all the past and current fed governors - none are wealthy. The finances of all members of congress are public and the only ones with wealth are the ones who made it before they became politicians. This is why most politicians and gov employees leave the gov to make money, not join the gov.

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[hvacker]

Yah but as you know people are getting way way more out of socialist security and Medicare than they put in - that's one of the big big reasons our deficit is so astronomical - correct? How can we not be a socialist country without abolishing the two biggest socialist programs the world has ever seen?

No not correct. Social s Security is self funding but our Presidents didn't obey the law that placed SS in a trust fund. Beginning with Pope Ronald balancing his budget with our bucks. Medicare has been a victim of conservative logic of Starve the Beast by not willing to fund fraud. Their idea of forcing Medicare into a deficient position that would force it's repeal.
Nether program is like you state: "The biggest socialists programs the world has ever seen." can't be taken seriously. Bigger than ANYTHING in the world?
For this thread to start by claiming to present Facts and for the rest of the narcoleptic masses to wake up I'd suggest for someone to be taken seriously a good start might be to stick with facts that might be true.
The next truth is if you are lucky to live to collect SS or your family benefits from some tragedy my bet is you will consider it the best investment you ever made. Even if you might claim your set for life with your investments but good times come and go.

And now, where does all this information, real or imagined, get you except aerobatic exercise from yelling at the wind? The economic system benefits you even if you don't like it. I'm taking my ball and going home.

 

[Dwight Frye]

One example of hidden taxes folks . 3/5 of every jar of peanut butter is a HIDDEN tax . That is $3 out of $5 folks . Now add sales tax! The farmers , producers and retailers have to split the $2 ! This folks is caused by the income tax ! Without it you could buy for $2 . Now do this for all products. You can see this is where the real taxes are and highly regressive . It's no wonder we stay poor . Hell cars are market up double and your home 30/40 % ! Then on larger items you have to pay interterst on that extra cost which goes to the govt leeches ( bankers , lawyers etc) . Over the course of your life it becomes millions . Thus does not even include income , payroll , property , estate , gift , sales tax . This was mostly brought to you buy the DEMOCRAT PARTY , the party of the working class . Wise up . This is the truth , I have no stake in their game but freedom for the people .

 

[Dwight Frye]

The point is we are socialist , quit ignoring the facts and except them . Quit fighting wars over communists , because we are one . Liberty and freedom serve everyone . That's why we don't have it . The only people who benefit are the govt and bankers . You put 15 % of your income in a retirement acount for 40 years and tell me which one has more money . Bringing forced to pay SS and live below the poverty level and run thru read tape to get it . You retire when they tell you and they hope you die so you don't collect . Taxes are theft , bankers are theifs and liars . The facts are in the history and govts of the world ,.if you do not see it by now you never will . No wonder this country is in the state it is . Everybody wants to steal others freedoms and get something for nothing . I take freedom from no one because I never vote two party . I vote for your freedom and my freedom . I wish people would learn about true liberty . You ain't got it and you want get it in this country as long as you follow the parties .

 

[BosnMate]

I can't add much to this conversation, my "D" grade was something like 56 years ago. But there are two things that I know are a fact. First, a few years ago the Oregon Democratic Party put in their platform that we need to change the definition of private property as it is now known, and this communist progressive state has been working on that with more rules and reg. than anyone could have imagined. In town the cost of a permit to build a garage onto a house comes to $15,000, up front, in this so called land of the free. Second, when Kennedy was Pres. he commissioned several studies, and one was called, "An Adaptive Program for Agriculture." I was just out of school a few years when I found out about it. The plan at that time was to do away with the family farm and replace it with corporate agriculture much like the four automobile companies were doing cars at the time. I was able to order a copy from the government at the time, but once the stink got started, only colleges and universities could get copies. You might talk about the banks, I don't understand that, but I can see with my own eyes that the "green movement" and man caused global warming is nothing but people control, and avenue to socialism, ie: progressive, ie: communists. At one time I took an oath to protect and defend the constitution against ALL enemies, and I was hired by my government to kill communists. I never was in a position to kill anyone, but the oath still stands, and communists are still an enemy.

 

[Dwight Frye]

You are smarter than you think . Lol Do you believe you are going to get a honest answer from somebody who works in global banking and family worked for the fed ?

 

[0121stockpicker]

You are smarter than you think . Lol Do you believe you are going to get a honest answer from somebody who works in global banking and family worked for the fed ?

Dwight I know you havnt been on the site long but it is against site rules to accuse someone of lying. Beyond the fact that it is personally insulting. If I planned on lying why would I share information about myself and have my handle be stockpicker. Obviously not looking to deceive anyone correct?? Can you have a discussion without insults or not ?

 

[Dwight Frye]

Sure can .

 

[Dave44]

Sure can .

Good Job Dwight. Some members love to bait, badger, and try to belittle you as a way to help their self esteem. We all take them with a big salt lick. I have to say some of the insults are a little bit more sly than they used to be though. Sometimes they show projection problems too.

By the way, what do you think of the Laffer curve as model?

 

[Dwight Frye]

It has merits based on limited varibles . It's a,shame because all I'm trying to do us educate and bring freedom and independance back to the people . I don't work for the banking cartel etc . Despite all the evidence , people fight you . They just don't want more money and freedom . Go fiqure .

 

[Dwight Frye]

Nothing wrong with picking stocks , maybe something wrong with global banking and picking stocks . Again you will believe what you want or background was lead to believe . I'm just saying that somebody who has a econ background would know free market principles . You take it any way you want . I'm here trying to convince the people . Not banking or govt or federal reserve . I've done my homework and I don't know you from Adam . But I have spend a lifetime talking to your kind . Who in no way sounds like a rep very much like a dem . Course both parties are for the govt and not the people . Now I have presented you with facts as I see them . I have given you sites to go to . I'm not going to debate someone who refuses to study and just says no your wrong . Everything I have said is easily verfiable .

 

[0121stockpicker]

Nothing wrong with picking stocks , maybe something wrong with global banking and picking stocks . Again you will believe what you want or background was lead to believe . I'm just saying that somebody who has a econ background would know free market principles . You take it any way you want . I'm here trying to convince the people . Not banking or govt or federal reserve . I've done my homework and I don't know you from Adam . But I have spend a lifetime talking to your kind . Who in no way sounds like a rep very much like a dem . Course both parties are for the govt and not the people . Now I have presented you with facts as I see them . I have given you sites to go to . I'm not going to debate someone who refuses to study and just says no your wrong . Everything I have said is easily verfiable .

Statements are not facts. Facts are backed with information. I looked at your web site and could not find any details on the vast wealth supposedly accumulated by employees of the fed. Please provide me with the link as I have tried to look. If you need specific names I can provide you with the names of all the fed governors over the last 30 years but you prob already have that info.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Dwight I know you havnt been on the site long but it is against site rules to accuse someone of lying. Beyond the fact that it is personally insulting. If I planned on lying why would I share information about myself and have my handle be stockpicker. Obviously not looking to deceive anyone correct?? Can you have a discussion without insults or not ?

Dwight did not break any rules, he did not call or imply you are lying, he made a general statement not directed at any member.

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[0121stockpicker]

Dwight did not break any rules, he did not call or imply you are lying, he made a general statement not directed at any member.

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This statement was directed against me, not a generalization.

""Originally Posted by Dwight Frye
You are smarter than you think . Lol Do you believe you are going to get a honest answer from somebody who works in global banking and family worked for the fed ?""

As we had previously discussed my previous occupation and the fact that my father in law worked for the fed. Thanks.

 

[Dwight Frye]

Stock ... I did not say that the employees of the fed made enormous salaries . They are slaves like the rest of us . It's is to find out that the federal reserve is a Private Bank . No need for a outside bank , that was congresses job . I have present you with info on taxes , etc . Again if you believe in socicialism you are not going to like what I have to say . There is a reason Karl Marx stated you need the income tax and central banking to be communists . Read secrets of the federal reserve , the income tax the root of all evil . If you think the directors of the federal reserve are going to pop up and admit wrong doing then you are a very trusting person . Search for The bloodline of the Rothchields . All quotes they have made over the years can be verified . I suspect you just like to argue but I gave it a try . I'm not here to convince you of anything , that's your job to find the truth . Being a member of the two parties shows me you are a follower and like being. Slave to the system . Well that's what poltucians and bankers rely on . I will give you another little fact .. there have been four presidents who have fought central banking . Three were assasinated . The fourth had a atempt on his life 12 times . Take it for what you will . You already believe fiat money is good by your statements . So again I say you like polticians are corrupt or ignorant to the facts . I do not take what bankers have done to this country lightly or socialist . I have had my liberties stolen for the fifty three years I have been on this earth . My parents and family and all people of this country have taken this far to long . I will not stop or be silenced even if kicked off of any board . Do your homework or go to another thread . I study this issue daily .

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

This statement was directed against me, not a generalization.

""Originally Posted by Dwight Frye
You are smarter than you think . Lol Do you believe you are going to get a honest answer from somebody who works in global banking and family worked for the fed ?""

As we had previously discussed my previous occupation and the fact that my father in law worked for the fed. Thanks.

Geeez Stock, go back and look at the post just above that comment you quoted, Bosnmate said he got a D in economics 50 some odd years earlier, Dwight, told him he was smarter than he thought. he did not name you in the comment about global banking, it is a general statement....... Heck Look at the Morgan Stanley scandal and WorldCom, bankers lie, stock analysts lie, car salesmen lie, it is not earth shaking news....

 

[Dwight Frye]

Yes treasure hunter ... I not trying to explain anything to him . He does not read my posts are check them . The Mirgans , Rothchields and more started the fed . These men owned 80% of the worlds resources before central banking . These famlies still control the world with their headquaters in surprise surprise the bank of England . Now these famlies have placed there cronies in every facet of govt . They own Pres and congress . They control the economy and create busts and bubbles and crashes . They run the stock market . THEY CONTROL THE MONEY SUPPLY . They do not want a free market . Stock says he studied econ and has no clue about the free market . It's possible to work for the fed and banking and still be fooled . Read the Damn links people then come back and talk . Again do you want change in this country or not . Do you want freedom or not . Stock who says he is republican does not want freedom and believes in socialism . I do not . But let me tell you one thin I do not take it lightly being stole from by the fed , the govt or the everyday voter . Educate yourself people .