Antique 14k elgin pocket watch

[Beachkid23]

Here is something I have but know little about. It works fine. But I don't know what or how to tell what it's worth. Looking for a little help. Let me show you the pictures.

 

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[Molon Labe]

If I had to ballpark, in scrap value you got maybe $600-$800

 

[mkulltra]

Can you please tell me the name on movement and #? I can't make it out in picture.

 

[Chug And Red]

THUD, I Just Hit the Floor On that Beautiful Time Piece!!! Chug Drool Drool !! Sorry I'm Getting It All Wet

 

[Beachkid23]

Can you please tell me the name on movement and #? I can't make it out in picture.

Does this help? I really can't read it myself. The number in there is 13882384. 17 jewels.

 

[Beachkid23]

The # on the gold case is 610554 I think.

 

[mkulltra]

You have a 1908 Elgin Grade 344 Class 113 Size 12s men's pocket watch with a 14kt gold Hunter case. There were only a few case makers then with the most popular at the time being the Illinois Watch Co. Good possibility that's who made yours. The value is about $800-900 in working condition.

Here's the closest I could find on ebay:

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=190823159737&alt=web

I love it and am extremely jealous. I dream about watches like that. If you can't tell, I'm a huge watch lover.

 

[Mackaydon]

163,700 units were produced of your movement (Grade 344 as 'mkulltra' mentioned above) between 1905 and 1927.
Don........

 

[jerseyben]

How do you know it is 14k and not gold filled?

 

[Beachkid23]

How do you know it is 14k and not gold filled?

It's marked 14k. Wouldn't it be marked GF on there too somewhere?

 

[jerseyben]

Can you post a picture of the mark? Does it say anything like "guaranteed"?

 

[Beachkid23]

Can you post a picture of the mark? Does it say anything like "guaranteed"?

Yea , after I get my kids to school.

 

[Beachkid23]

Yea , after I get my kids to school.

Anyway I'm having a hard time taking a picture because of the glare but underneath the 14 K Mark is a word that starts with DU. Almost looks like DUbber? But with the acid test the Goldmark stays.

 

[Beachkid23]

Anyway I'm having a hard time taking a picture because of the glare but underneath the 14 K Mark is a word that starts with DU. Almost looks like DUbber? But with the acid test the Goldmark stays.

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14k dueber is what it says on it.

 

[mkulltra]

Here's everything you need to know about case maker:

http://mb.nawcc.org/showwiki.php?title=Dueber_Watch_Case_Manufacturing_Co

There should be another mark under the name if it is solid 14k.

 

[DeepseekerADS]

Here's something I found on Google....




In the Shugart book, on page 35 (the page for Solid Gold marks), there is an illustration of your Dueber 14K mark. There is a note beside the illustration that states, "This Mark means 14K Gold. Note anchor is Raised, not Engraved." However, it is interesting to note, on pages 37-38, under, "Gold-Filled Marks", the illustrations for gold-filled Dueber marks do not show the 14K stamping - although there is a notation about the anchor being engraved for the gold-filled case stamping.

At the top of page 35, there is a note that states, "Have your watch case tested to make sure of gold quality or Karat".

I went for six months thinking that I had a solid 14K gold Wadsworth hunter case for my Elgin B.W. Raymond 15j, that turned out to be gold-filled. The fancy Wadsworth case stamping matched the solid gold illustration in the Shugart book's page 35, but I carried this watch until I noticed one day that it had unmistakable brassing starting to show through at the outer edge near the hinges of the front and back lids. Now that will get your attention, and pretty much ruin your day!

 

[Beachkid23]

Thanks. I'll check that out. There is a watch repair guy in town I'm going to go today. In the past I had a watch I wanted repaired. He said it was rare from Germany. He said that he could not find the part to replace it but he would keep it on his list of parts to look for. After about four months he called and said he found the part from Germany and it was about $350 to have it mailed and actually buy the part because it was so rare. I asked him how much he would buy it for, he said as is- $1200!!! My mom bought it at a yard sale for $2. So basically I trust this guy. I'll go see him today. (The other store offered $150 for it.)

 

[Beachkid23]

Well I went down the road to see how much the watch was worth and forgot to take the thing with me. So I will have to do a redo later this week. Figures I left it sitting right next to my wallet!

 

[tamrock]

Here's something I found on Google....




In the Shugart book, on page 35 (the page for Solid Gold marks), there is an illustration of your Dueber 14K mark. There is a note beside the illustration that states, "This Mark means 14K Gold. Note anchor is Raised, not Engraved." However, it is interesting to note, on pages 37-38, under, "Gold-Filled Marks", the illustrations for gold-filled Dueber marks do not show the 14K stamping - although there is a notation about the anchor being engraved for the gold-filled case stamping.

At the top of page 35, there is a note that states, "Have your watch case tested to make sure of gold quality or Karat".

I went for six months thinking that I had a solid 14K gold Wadsworth hunter case for my Elgin B.W. Raymond 15j, that turned out to be gold-filled. The fancy Wadsworth case stamping matched the solid gold illustration in the Shugart book's page 35, but I carried this watch until I noticed one day that it had unmistakable brassing starting to show through at the outer edge near the hinges of the front and back lids. Now that will get your attention, and pretty much ruin your day!

The shugarts book is best reference available for old time pieces. My copy is getting very worn out as I've referred to it so many times over the years. I should get the latest addition as mine no longer has the cover on it anymore.

 

[gunsil]

Most will have a 14K cover and front bezel. To be a "solid" 14K watch the body or mechanism mounting should also have a 14K mark since it is a separate part. This is fairly uncommon, but you should look to see if it is there. Of course your watch guy should be able to tell you with certainty.