First EVER Sterling Silver Silverware (I hope) - REASSURE ME

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I've tried for many months now to find a piece or two of sterling silver (not plated) silverware. No matter how hard I tried, never an item. Today I went to a church rummage sale (with paid admission).

Of course I hit up the jewelry table before making my way around the rest of the sale. Three floors or mostly junk.

I picked up a few decent pieces here and there (I'll have a separate post on the camera/electronics finds).

Made my way to the third floor for there "high end room" mostly plate, but I did find two pieces in a case display so I bought them. The broken spoon had a mark I had never seen before and I did clean it up a bit when I got home just to be sure ($2) - 830 - I now know is a Norwegian mark. So I'm fairly certain this piece is the real deal.

The other piece is clearly marked sterling (handle) I paid $8. Aside - what is this used for?

Then around I walked and came across a bag full of silverware they described as plate for $5. If not for the similarity to the hook thing I would have probably overlooked it myself. They had cleaned the one knife "just to show how nice it cleaned up" (my second clue as the blade was clearly belt polished, not sure what method they used on the handle - but no wear marks). Then I thought "hell, it's $5. I've wasted more than that on lunch I didn't finish"!!

Since I've never found an unmarked piece I'm still having my doubts. Please reassure me!!

Some history and MAJOR frustration with this sale. Back to the beginning (at the jewelry tables) - I was honest about a few items when the lady was a bit (a whole bit) of a B!TCH. I kept telling myself that with every good deed...

I picked up three pairs of earrings out of box that wasn't marked for price - when I requested a price for the items in the square box (three pairs of earrings were tucked away in my hand) she replied rather brashly "where did you find THOSE"...."um, on the table without a price"..."well, someone must have just dropped those off"..."I don't know"...."do you HAVE ANY OTHER pieces?"...."yes, these three pairs in my hand"....then she snatched the three pairs from my hand returning one when she knew it was costume. FYI - I know the one pair was 925 and the earrings could have been gold didn't really get a good look since it was fairly dark there and about 95 degrees.

When I asked how much again..."well, I didn't have a chance to look at THESE yet"...."well, will have a price later today"..."oh no, I will probably hold on to those for next years sale".

I literally was on the verge of dropping everything I had planned to buy and walk out (requesting a refund as I left). I told myself be calm and be repaid at least ten-fold.

Fast forward two hours - I'm snooping around the "high end room" and who peeps over my shoulder, as I was buying the Sterling hook piece, but HER. Thank GOD the spoon for $2 was already purchased and safely stowed in my bag.

She said something along the lines of "boy, you really know what your doing. Of course she wants it (insert name here of old lady who could barely hear behind the stand) it's got a STERLING handle". WTF is your hold up lady?

She made her way around the table, I believe looking to buy for herself at this point. Totally overlooked the bag of "PLATE" for $5!!! PRICELESS!!!!

PLEASE reassure me that I've finally found the real thing. It all weighs about 3 pounds 4 ounces with the blades.

FYI - I did clean up a few of the handles with my aluminum foil, salt, water....etc mix before these pics. Ran out if patience to clean them all. Also scratched in to one of the handles heavily with no sign of copper or brass and still bright red silver solution test.
 

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I'm not sure where those marks are from yet but I'm 80% sure that you got the real deal!
 

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Finding a buyer for the unmarked stuff is a pain in the a$$. I'd have not been so nice about the nosy woman. I do the occasional flea market as a seller and rest assured if I ever missed anything like that and caught it before being paid for I would just toss an absurd astronomical number out there for a price, wait for them to drop it like it was on fire then check it out.


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First... you should always apply acid on an area that is "worn" ... the area that seems to have the best scratches... this way if it is heavy silver plate the acid will penetrate... this is why they file silver.. (but do not file these). try to find an area that is not so noticable... if there is one thing almost every antique dealer hates is when they pick an item up and see acid spots so look for an area with wear and aplly small droplet... it you see a green fizz its plated. Try 18 k on scratch and see if white or blueish.
THE REASON I say this is ... I think you just made one hell of a score.... I am looking at some things now...
 

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First... you should always apply acid on an area that is "worn" ... the area that seems to have the best scratches... this way if it is heavy silver plate the acid will penetrate... this is why they file silver.. (but do not file these). try to find an area that is not so noticable... if there is one thing almost every antique dealer hates is when they pick an item up and see acid spots so look for an area with wear and aplly small droplet... it you see a green fizz its plated. Try 18 k on scratch and see if white or blueish.
THE REASON I say this is ... I think you just made one hell of a score.... I am looking at some things now...
 

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I think you did the right thing by not saying anything simply because they might be having sales in the future and you can guarantee that if you told her to eat "****" she would remember you and pay you back. Good Luck!
 

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Ok the do you have the wood fork that goes with the spoon? they are a salad service... the spoon is what is of the interest because of that hallmark... I think it may be rare... have not found it yet... and I am having trouble seeing it in the pic... is that an R ???
I think this mark may be Scottish... Edinburgh and I think it may also be from the late 1700's
 

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The piece you asked what it was used for... button hook.
 

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Finding a buyer for the unmarked stuff is a pain in the a$$. I'd have not been so nice about the nosy woman. I do the occasional flea market as a seller and rest assured if I ever missed anything like that and caught it before being paid for I would just toss an absurd astronomical number out there for a price, wait for them to drop it like it was on fire then check it out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
EXACTLY. At least tell me to stop back later and hope I forget.
 

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First... you should always apply acid on an area that is "worn" ... the area that seems to have the best scratches... this way if it is heavy silver plate the acid will penetrate... this is why they file silver.. (but do not file these). try to find an area that is not so noticable... if there is one thing almost every antique dealer hates is when they pick an item up and see acid spots so look for an area with wear and aplly small droplet... it you see a green fizz its plated. Try 18 k on scratch and see if white or blueish. THE REASON I say this is ... I think you just made one hell of a score.... I am looking at some things now...
Ok. Thx for the info. I scratched hard on my stone near the handle of the one knife and all red. I do have an 18 K acid solution in my kit. I've always hated the guessing game with the silver solution anyway. I'd be just as happy to make my own if anyone has a recipe. I have access to sulfuric, nitric, and ... Other nameless chemicals.
 

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Ok the do you have the wood fork that goes with the spoon? they are a salad service... the spoon is what is of the interest because of that hallmark... I think it may be rare... have not found it yet... and I am having trouble seeing it in the pic... is that an R ??? I think this mark may be Scottish... Edinburgh and I think it may also be from the late 1700's
No fork. Just the broken spoon. Looked at the photo that I uploaded. Sorry for the poor quality. I'll get you a better pick. My 8 year old was bugging me at the time because he wanted to look at bass fishing on YouTube.
 

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Well the spoon by itself may be only scrap... because it's broken... cannot find that exact mark.
Test the rest with the 18 on stone. Hard rub... long big streak... should turn milky silverish blue. IF sterling... now could still be silver of lower grade.
Just for notes... MOST sterling/ silver is marked as such... it's been law for eons.
 

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Here are a few better close-ups of the spoon.
 

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Ok. Here's a few pics with the 18K solution.

I did two separate tests on the knives.
 

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If you got down in deep when you scratched them they are definitely silver... But what percent since there are no marks? I just sold a belt buckle that was only marked "silver" at 50% of melt. Buyers reasoning... Only thing I can do with it is put it in the melting pot and hope.


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I took a better look at the knives - three different knives. Small/large same style makes up a majority of the pieces I have. The longest knife pictured is one and only one (perhaps has a small mark - or me imagining things). All still test positive for sterling.
 

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