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    Maverick

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    When to stop searching and when to start searching for the original owner...

    At what point would any of you start searching or the original owner of a find? What if there was a lead or no lead at all? At what point would you call it quits? For what kinds of finds do each of you try searching?
    I wish the snooze minute was as long as the microwave minute...

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    Maverick

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    I ask because I am getting ALOT of flack on a ring I just found.
    I wish the snooze minute was as long as the microwave minute...

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    I found a lost class ring. After 1 year of trying to get it back to the original owner(she was reluctant to meet in person and I would not send it by mail), I was told officially by some on here, that I tried for a year and that was enough.
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    Bucket list still needed:
    • Silver thimble
    • Spanish silver
    • seated half
    • flying eagle
    • early copper
    • 1700's coin
    • 1600's coin
    • silver 3 cent piece
    • nickel 3 cent piece
    • seated quarter
    • capped bust silver
    • draped bust silver
    • silver dollar

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    Guess it depends on how much info you have...(I.E. - Name inside ring, Initials of some sort, Class ring...etc...etc) Some items will have all kinds of info...others nothing at all... Pretty much a judgement call on your part...

    Got-Good-Tones
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    Todd In Lutz FL

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    Your call.. nobody can make that decision for you. Just my honest opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter101 View Post
    I ask because I am getting ALOT of flack on a ring I just found.
    Hunter101, Are you asking this question for legal purposes ? Or for moral/ethical purposes ?

    If it's for legal purposes, here's your answer:

    All 50 states have Lost & Found laws. Born out of wandering cattle laws of the 1800s I suppose. And there will be a dollar value criteria , in each state, where you are supposed to turn in lost items to the police. Typically a $50 to $100 value. And the laws make no distinction on when YOU think the item was lost. And the law makes no distinction on how the item is valued (eg.: melt value, or value when new, etc....) . Don't be so quick to think it's melt value (otherwise .... what's to stop you from claiming that a brand new I-phone that you "found" at the bus bunch is just a few cents worth of silicone and copper ?).

    Hence, yes.... all those beach hunters on T'net who proudly post their latest ring show & tell finds, are all lawless miscreants for not running down the police station . To be in true compliance with the law, they're supposed to be turning them in, waiting 30 days, to see if someone claims it. And then paying storage and/or advertising (L&F in local paper) fees to the police, if they want to try to claim it . And if the police don't return it (claiming that someone else claimed it), they are under no obligation to tell you who claimed it.

    Yes, I know all the beach hunters on T'net are now crying alligator tears of guilt for not keep the L&F laws of their states .
    Metal detecting is my one worldy vice!

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    Maverick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Hunter101, Are you asking this question for legal purposes ? Or for moral/ethical purposes ?

    If it's for legal purposes, here's your answer:

    All 50 states have Lost & Found laws. Born out of wandering cattle laws of the 1800s I suppose. And there will be a dollar value criteria , in each state, where you are supposed to turn in lost items to the police. Typically a $50 to $100 value. And the laws make no distinction on when YOU think the item was lost. And the law makes no distinction on how the item is valued (eg.: melt value, or value when new, etc....) . Don't be so quick to think it's melt value (otherwise .... what's to stop you from claiming that a brand new I-phone that you "found" at the bus bunch is just a few cents worth of silicone and copper ?).

    Hence, yes.... all those beach hunters on T'net who proudly post their latest ring show & tell finds, are all lawless miscreants for not running down the police station . To be in true compliance with the law, they're supposed to be turning them in, waiting 30 days, to see if someone claims it. And then paying storage and/or advertising (L&F in local paper) fees to the police, if they want to try to claim it . And if the police don't return it (claiming that someone else claimed it), they are under no obligation to tell you who claimed it.

    Yes, I know all the beach hunters on T'net are now crying alligator tears of guilt for not keep the L&F laws of their states .
    Then are we required to turn in ALL finds? Seems to be a slippery slope.

    As far as legal vs moral, it’s mainly moral. People say to donate to them or find the owner.
    I wish the snooze minute was as long as the microwave minute...

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    Title? old fart

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    Some things lend themselves to be returned much easier than others because they actually have some sort of info on them. Even so, not everyone is receptive (One family got their father's WWII dog tags returned but they were not exactly concerned about them, in fact they didn't care about him. Sounded like he had been not the best of fathers.) It still comes down to you as the finder, I have made some very happy people that still keep in touch with us. In some cases, there is no way of ever returning. One has to be careful on how one goes about it because there are a lot of people out there that would be more than glad to claim it as theirs and it is not. I have taken wallets to the police station as well as just returning them to the owner. I found that turning them in, I was less likely to be held accountable for any possible missing money etc. I have returned checkbooks, credit cards, driver licenses and other things and never got so much as a thank you but I felt good about what I had done and that was what counted to me. Good luck
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    LUKE 15 : 8 "OR WHAT WOMAN, IF SHE HAS TEN SILVER COINS AND LOSES ONE COIN,DOES NOT LIGHT A LAMP AND SWEEP THE HOUSE AND SEARCH CAREFULLY UNTIL SHE FINDS IT?" 15 : 9 "AND WHEN SHE HAS FOUND IT, SHE CALLS TOGETHER HER FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS, SAYING, "REJOICE WITH ME, FOR I HAVE FOUND THE COIN WHICH I HAD LOST!"

  9. #9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter101 View Post
    Then are we required to turn in ALL finds? Seems to be a slippery slope.....
    Only required to turn in all things that exceed your state's L&F law value criteria threshold.

    Yes, it's a slippery slope. There are various humorous (yet scary for md'r ) examples. Like :

    The true story of the 3rd grader who took his dad's coin collection to school for show & tell (without his dad's knowledge). And then the numbskull kid passed out the coins to fellow classmates during recess. The kids, thinking that silver dollars, bust halves, etc... were like play-money, promptly went out and lost them in the school's sandbox.

    Imagine the surprise of the next md'r to hit that sandbox, when he's finding bust halves, silver dollars, etc... ? The md'r figured that that it was his "lucky day", and that the coins must have come in with the sand that must have come from the beach (since the school was only a few miles from the beach). Woohoo.

    When the father got wind of what had happened to his coins a few days later, the classmates were instructed by the teacher and principal to "turn back in all the coins that little Johnny had passed out". Needless to say, the father didn't get all his coins back.

    Ok, you tell me: Who do those coins belong to now ? The lucky md'r ? Or the father ? If you were the father and got wind of the fact that some yahoo md'r had your coins, do you think you have any right to say "return them to me" ? Or is it now "finders keepers ? Is that Bust half worth 50 cents ? (the stated value printed on the coin). Or it is worth the numismatic value of hundreds of dollars, and thus should have been turned in to the police ?

    See the slippery slope ?

    Yet for some odd reason, these L&F laws are always ignored by md'rs . Yet those same md'rs will turn over heaven and earth to ask permissions and inquire of legalities when hunting any park or school or beach or forest, to "make sure md'ing is allowed".
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    I won't feel guilty enough to spend any time looking for an owner, unless there is at least some personal info stamped on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Only required to turn in all things that exceed your state's L&F law value criteria threshold.

    Yes, it's a slippery slope. There are various humorous (yet scary for md'r ) examples. Like :

    The true story of the 3rd grader who took his dad's coin collection to school for show & tell (without his dad's knowledge). And then the numbskull kid passed out the coins to fellow classmates during recess. The kids, thinking that silver dollars, bust halves, etc... were like play-money, promptly went out and lost them in the school's sandbox.

    Imagine the surprise of the next md'r to hit that sandbox, when he's finding bust halves, silver dollars, etc... ? The md'r figured that that it was his "lucky day", and that the coins must have come in with the sand that must have come from the beach (since the school was only a few miles from the beach). Woohoo.

    When the father got wind of what had happened to his coins a few days later, the classmates were instructed by the teacher and principal to "turn back in all the coins that little Johnny had passed out". Needless to say, the father didn't get all his coins back.

    Ok, you tell me: Who do those coins belong to now ? The lucky md'r ? Or the father ? If you were the father and got wind of the fact that some yahoo md'r had your coins, do you think you have any right to say "return them to me" ? Or is it now "finders keepers ? Is that Bust half worth 50 cents ? (the stated value printed on the coin). Or it is worth the numismatic value of hundreds of dollars, and thus should have been turned in to the police ?


    See the slippery slope ?

    Yet for some odd reason, these L&F laws are always ignored by md'rs . Yet those same md'rs will turn over heaven and earth to ask permissions and inquire of legalities when hunting any park or school or beach or forest, to "make sure md'ing is allowed".
    The son took them without the father's knowledge, they are considered stolen and must be returned. The law is very clear on this.

    Finder's keepers is more when the owner lost the item(item lost due to negligence).

    "Hunter101, Are you asking this question for legal purposes ? Or for moral/ethical purposes ?

    If it's for legal purposes, here's your answer:

    All 50 states have Lost & Found laws. Born out of wandering cattle laws of the 1800s I suppose. And there will be a dollar value criteria , in each state, where you are supposed to turn in lost items to the police. Typically a $50 to $100 value. And the laws make no distinction on when YOU think the item was lost. And the law makes no distinction on how the item is valued (eg.: melt value, or value when new, etc....) . Don't be so quick to think it's melt value (otherwise .... what's to stop you from claiming that a brand new I-phone that you "found" at the bus bunch is just a few cents worth of silicone and copper ?).

    Hence, yes.... all those beach hunters on T'net who proudly post their latest ring show & tell finds, are all lawless miscreants for not running down the police station . To be in true compliance with the law, they're supposed to be turning them in, waiting 30 days, to see if someone claims it. And then paying storage and/or advertising (L&F in local paper) fees to the police, if they want to try to claim it . And if the police don't return it (claiming that someone else claimed it), they are under no obligation to tell you who claimed it.

    Yes, I know all the beach hunters on T'net are now crying alligator tears of guilt for not keep the L&F laws of their states".

    This above is why I get along with you so well.
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    Bucket list still needed:
    • Silver thimble
    • Spanish silver
    • seated half
    • flying eagle
    • early copper
    • 1700's coin
    • 1600's coin
    • silver 3 cent piece
    • nickel 3 cent piece
    • seated quarter
    • capped bust silver
    • draped bust silver
    • silver dollar

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    And I always enjoy your forum inputs too b3yOnd3r

    Quote Originally Posted by b3y0nd3r View Post
    The son took them without the father's knowledge, they are considered stolen and must be returned. The law is very clear on this.....
    Ok. But was the md'r obligated to "search for the owner" ? Was he within his rights to automatically assume they were period losses, and thus under no obligation to "seek out an owner" ? Ie.: the CA state's L&F laws don't apply ? Or do they ?
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    Metal detecting is my one worldy vice!

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    If the item found is traceable to the owner ( class ring, wallet, engraved jewelry ), then I would make a reasonable attempt...myself. I would not hand it over to local authorities. If, after an honest effort is put forth on my part, there's no joy, then the item is mine. Simple.

    I once returned by mail, a Bishop's wallet I found in a gas station bathroom stall, stuffed with cash, and cards. Got no reply from the ungrateful character. I would do it again, however.
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    "And so the population was gradually led into the demoralising temptations of arcades, baths, and sumptuous banquets. The unsuspecting Britons spoke of such novelties as 'civilisation', when in fact they were only a feature of their enslavement." Tacitus, Roman Senator and Historian, written AD 98.

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    If there is info inside the ring then I would make the attempt to return it. Tiffany jewelry usually has a traceable Serial #.
    With zero info then I would keep it. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    And I always enjoy your forum inputs too b3yOnd3r



    Ok. But was the md'r obligated to "search for the owner" ? Was he within his rights to automatically assume they were period losses, and thus under no obligation to "seek out an owner" ? Ie.: the CA state's L&F laws don't apply ? Or do they ?
    If he is aware that they were stolen, then yes. Otherwise, it's fair game.
    Bucket list still needed:
    • Silver thimble
    • Spanish silver
    • seated half
    • flying eagle
    • early copper
    • 1700's coin
    • 1600's coin
    • silver 3 cent piece
    • nickel 3 cent piece
    • seated quarter
    • capped bust silver
    • draped bust silver
    • silver dollar

 

 
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