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  1. #31
    mx
    May 2009
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    Re: OKM??

    Can we think same about runabout from accurate locators ? or this devices are so good like the vendor say ?.

  2. #32

    Nov 2004
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    at least accurate locators tell you that the runabout is a magnetometer

  3. #33
    mx
    May 2009
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    Yes HiiQ, but they say you can detect from iron to gold in veins, you can see a video in wich the pinpointer is detecing an ore vein, and if this it is a magnetometer too then the vendor is not telling the true, because magnetometers do not detect gold. I belive there are some people using this kind of devices about accurate locators, I do not why they say nothing about this devices and about okm are many negative inputs or is about comercial strategies.?.

  4. #34
    mx
    May 2009
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    Any input about accuratelocators runabout ? if they are magnetometers too then how detect ore bodies ?, same for pinpointer etc.

  5. #35
    mx
    May 2009
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    Hi guys! Any inputs to my comments above?? Or should we consider accurate locaters is also a fraud like OKM ??
    Please advise....

  6. #36
    us
    I deal in reality

    Mar 2010
    Maryland
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    Re: OKM?? the truth about gpr!!

    First off this is about true GPR abilities. I am retired now, but I worked in a position where I heard a lot about government GPR projects. It works! First off let me explain that the color in a GPR image is a false color generated by the softwear. Metal is usually shown in red. Green is used for the the normal undisturbed soil of the area. Blue is normaly used to show distubed soil. Yellow is sometimes used to show disturbed soil that varries from blue in compactness or variety.
    Now lets get into the nitty gritty. The West coast weather sattelite was launched a while back and it failed shortly thereafter. Why! Because it had international access and a GPR that just happened to pick up submerged objects like subs. Years ago the USA launched two Lacross sattelites. They had GPR units. I saw the results of a flight across Gettsburg. You could clearly see every treanch that had ever been dug, every cannonball in the ground, every grave of every soldier that still remained, plus every thing else in the ground. It was flown over the US/Mexico border and showed a tunnel 20' deep crossing the border I believe it was in the Texas area. All this years ago. So I know the technology works. When the day comes that a manfacturer can prove his unit is a true GPR,I will buy it. Until then let the buyer beware!!

  7. #37

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    Frankn ,my first tought was to ask you -what have you been smoking? But no amount of grass could have such effect on your brain. Maybe 99thpercentile will also comment on your post if he ever reads it.

  8. #38
    us
    I deal in reality

    Mar 2010
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    Re: OKM??

    HIIIQ: I was just trying to add a little insite to the subject. For your info. I don't smoke & I don't drink. I have been around for 70+ years so I have seen quite a bit more than you. I have worked in engineering and have been in black badge areas where you couldn't even get in the door! But you do seem to enjoy yourself and basicly thats what counts in life.

  9. #39
    mx
    May 2009
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    Bingo. Without inputs about USA accuratelocators this are scams too.

  10. #40
    mx
    Nov 2004
    Alamos,Sonora,Mexico
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    Re: OKM??

    good morning HI: You posted to Frankn ---> Frankn ,my first thought was to ask you -what have you been smoking? But no amount of grass could have such effect on your brain. Maybe 99thpercentile will also comment on your post if he ever reads it.
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    just what is your problem with him?
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    TST: You posted --> The physics of it are all that matters - it takes much more energy than you can put into a handheld detector to believe that a rechargable battery pack or packs will allow you to do anything that is claimed by these people
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    ?? I can many times go around the world, or thousands of miles, with a small hand held transmitter, certainly I can receive transmissions with only a coil of wire, and a galena crystal acting as a rectifier. Where does this enormous power requirement come from?

    Don Jose de La Mancha

    p.s. I haven't the slightest bit of data on the OK instrument, or a true interest in it. It effectively does not fit into my arsenal of detecting tools, so far, just on the tenor of the posts.
    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

  11. #41
    us
    Dr.

    Nov 2006
    Vicksburg, MS
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    Re: OKM??

    I have no idea what type of "geophysical" instruments OKM manufacturers. I contacted them once to ask what geophysical principle(s) their instruments operated under (electromagnetic induction, magnetometry, or ground penetrating radar) but didn't get an answer. Any real manufacturer of geophysical instruments will have extensive documentation of the specific method at each instrument operates under as well as lots of details about the specific details of the instrument. For example a manufacturer of a time domain electromagnetic induction metal detector will list the type of transmitter pulse, the shape of the pulse and the duty cycle. They will list the number of time gates, the width of the time gates and the time of the beginning or center of the time gate. They will list the number of transmit cycles per second as well as any analog or digital stacking (averaging). Then they will give you detailed information about the data file structure, all real geophysical instruments save the data.

    Any company attempting to sell you an instrument that is more complex than a handheld metal detector that doesn't give all of the above information is most likely hiding something. A simple test is to see if the instrument is being used by commercial geophysical companies, ask for a list of companies using the instrument. If a vendor doesn't readily supply a list of current commercial users with contact information, ask yourself why.

    I'm very confused about Frankn's comments, if he did work on government projects using airborne sensor platforms it definitely wasn't in a science or engineering capacity. He doesn't seem to know the difference between the global positioning system (GPS) and ground penetrating radar (GPR). GPS is how you know where your data was collected, I typically use a $50K Trimble 5700 or R8 RTK GPS system to position my data to <1cm accuracy for geophysical surveys. GPR is a great tool in specific situations, but I have never seen it used successfully to locate a 20 ft deep tunnel on the border (my group has the lead for this issue for DoD). Airborne GPR systems are typically synthetic aperture radar (SAR) systems and they can be very useful, but don't typically have very much depth penetration (<2m). I have some spectacular GPR results from some sites and very poor results from other sites. GPR is just one tool in the geophysicists toolbox, the selection of the correct tool is based on: site geology, type of target, size of target, depth of target, and the contrast of one or more physical properties between the target and the host medium. One tool never fits all sites or situations.
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    Research Geophysicist

  12. #42
    us
    I deal in reality

    Mar 2010
    Maryland
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    Re: OKM??

    99TH I admitt I mistakenly typed GPS instead of GPR " now corrected" But if you were in DoD you must know about the LaCross sats. which had GPR. I know this goes back over 15 years, but the files must still exist. The weather sat might not be an open subject yet.I did not work for the gov. I worked for a contractor.

  13. #43

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    Frankn. GPR in space is able to detect large anomalies like mineral deposits,large ancient ruins,underground cities in Russia,etc. Not cannonballs and graves like you claim. This is just mumbo-jumbo,that those in power are spreading to make the Russians think that the U.S. has some superior technology. Just like the Roswell fiasco. If you were a few steps higher in the food and IQ chain you would know what I'm talking about.
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  14. #44
    us
    I deal in reality

    Mar 2010
    Maryland
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    Re: OKM??

    HiiiQ The U.S. does have superior technology that you probably can't imagine even in your dreams. As for Roswell, the orginal report was right.I have interviewed Army Airforce personal that were there at the time. By the way, your E-Mail address describes you perfectly!

  15. #45
    ph
    Mar 2010
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    Re: OKM??

    My understanding is that the OKM is just a magnetometer. Also, they manufacturer LRL's........need I say more?
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