HR proposal - 1872 Mining Law - release Reuters 10/27/2005

nebraskadad

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Wanted to pass this alone to any and all claim prospectors that might find this of concern like I do..



Story at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9839098/

Change 1872 mining law? Move causes a stir
Industry, activists disagree on selling federal land

Reuters
Updated: 11:26 a.m. ET Oct. 27, 2005

WASHINGTON - The House Resources Committee passed a budget package Wednesday that would revise the nation?s 1872 mining law and end a ban on the sale of public land to mining companies.

Environmental groups criticized the proposal, saying it lets mining companies buy Western land at fire-sale prices as part of a budget plan to raise funds and cut federal spending.

For the past decade, Congress has barred selling government-owned land for mining, which had been allowed under an antiquated law that set prices at just $2.50 to $5 per acre.

Republican Richard Pombo of California, chairman of the House panel, proposed allowing sales to resume for $1,000 per acre.

Democrat Tom Udall of New Mexico said that amount was not adequate. ?It?s a massive giveaway of public resources,? he said, adding that such major reforms to an outdated mining law should not be inserted into a budget bill.

The committee rejected Udall?s amendment to strike the mining changes from the bill. The panel did agree to amend the bill to limit mining in national parks and conservation areas.

Congress is trying to wrap up work this month on broad government-wide budget cuts to rein in spending and the federal deficit. Pombo says this package would raise at least $2.4 billion over five years for the federal government. It will now be reviewed by the House Budget Committee.

Industry reaction
The National Mining Association, which represents mining companies, said it supported the mining plan. Companies would be allowed to mine in desirable areas, but for a higher cost.

?No one likes to see their cost of business increase, but the federal treasury needs the money and we need the certainty,? said Luke Popovich, a spokesman for the industry group. He estimated that buying the land and paying related fees would cost the industry about $151 million over the next five years.

When the U.S. moratorium began in 1995, Popovich said, minerals commanded lower prices.

?Since then, we?ve had a boom in commodity prices,? he said. ?We?ve had rapidly accelerating prices for copper, for gold, and for other minerals that we get largely from federal land.?

It is because of this boom that environmental groups say the land is worth more than the $1,000 per acre rate that Pombo suggested.

Environmental reaction
Lauren Pagel, legislative coordinator for Earthworks, said that with gold selling for more than $460 an ounce in New York and London, the $1,000 per acre rate is ?pretty cheap.?

?It?s still way below market value for those lands. It still allows huge chunks of our national treasures to be privatized,? Pagel said.

Calling the proposed legislation a ?Trojan Horse,? Pagel said that House members are pulling mining issues from public view by trying to fold a significant policy change into budget legislation.

?In reality, with this budget reconciliation bill, it doesn?t get as much debate as a real bill to reform the mining law,? Pagel said. ?This is something Congress is doing to raise revenue.?
 

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Staroleum

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So, can me and my friends form a mining company and buy up public land at $1000 an acre?
This sounds like a potentially disastrous public land give away for private companies to me.
 

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The whole process takes years to complete and 15 years ago costs, on a 20 acre small placer,over $50,000 plus the $1000 a acre.Index it for inflation and opposition to your public postings at $100,000 at least.NO give away!!!!There are 900+ claims in national forests and parks,hence the opposition.Tons a au 2 u 2-John
 

Staroleum

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Are you sure about that, HJ?
This doesn't look like it's simply a return to being able to patent claims, like in the pre-Clinton days: this looks like entirely new legislation.

One big problem with that MSNBC story is that it has no links that back up the story - no mention of the actual text of the bill, even.

I've been trying to find out more, but there's a lot of propaganda from both sides of the issue.

Here's this, from the Casper Star Tribune;

?This is a gift to Western developers and has nothing to do with making it easier to mine,? Scott said. He predicted that passage of the Pombo bill would spark a feverish level of speculation, as mining companies would rush to file patents -- not to mine, but to create valuable inholdings within public lands that they could then sell to real estate developers.

Link to Tribune story:

http://www.casperstartribune.net/ar.../wyoming/40594b7d3a33dd03872570a700577235.txt
 

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nebraskadad

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I think this was originally proposed by Rahall in 2003, I will have to find the exact piece of legislation.. Walt Eason of the GPAA seems to think large mining companies will not go to the effort of patenting a bunch of land.. I'd be more worried about real estate pirates buying up choice claims and selling them at a premium. I don't think the threat comes from mining interests.. Anyone can go through the process of patenting.. If I found a decent piece of ground with AU on it I could go to as a retirement claim, I might consider patenting if it meant I could build on it and keep ecowhacks off it.
 

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Agreed, nebraskadad! Except most mining here prefers a facilty on the spot, and does not include gold. (although it is everywhere!) Most of it would not have all that much in dollar investment and time, and would bring a road in to further ruin the area.

The real estate re-sale angle would defineatly attract some cash. There is already a lot of that along the forrests here in AZ. I've been looking at lots 20-50 acres bordering state land(forrest), and would not be all that pleased if the former state land became condos.

Of course, I would get in line for a few hundred a's if we're talking 1000 a pop, as would many. many others.
 

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