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    Quote Originally Posted by sailaway View Post
    When I posted this it was about the writing on the edge my version of the Molina Map. In my Thread I talked about the trick that is a puzzle still and am working on the clues. The last trip there I stood where the Mina Virgon de Guadelupe Mine is and was confused that it had all changed. There has been 44 earth tremors since the last time I was there 9 months before. There is a significant change in the mountain top.several areas have dropped. here is a new view that still does not show all the changes. but look behind the Indian and horse and you will see it has collapsed in. Second photo taken right on the Mina Virgon.
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    I like the Spanish Galleon carved on the mountainside on your google earth photo. I know where one of those are carved on a mountain east of Queen Valley AZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Arizona View Post
    I like the Spanish Galleon carved on the mountainside on your google earth photo. I know where one of those are carved on a mountain east of Queen Valley AZ
    Please show the location?

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    Illuminati connection with the Freemasons
    "a secret society within a secret society"
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    The Illuminati was started in 1776 as a Jesuit front by Adam Weishaupt, who was trained by Jesuits all his life (School, High School, University). His father was a professor at a Jesuit university. He would later become a professor of Roman Catholic canon law at that very same Jesuit university.
    He allegedly 'broke ties' with the Jesuits and started the Illuminati. This is a lie, though. Weishaupt never broke all ties with the Jesuit order. His Jesuit superiors ordered him to separate himself from the order so that he could set up a front organization that would appear to be entirely separate from the order.
    This front organization, the Illuminati, would be used to infiltrate Freemasonry and take the blame for Rome's crimes (The Illuminati did it!). An example of this is the French Revolution. Almost every leader of the revolution was Jesuit-trained, but people instead looked at the story of Lanz, an Illuminati courier who was struck by lightning when he was carrying a plan for the Revolution.
    The job of the Illuminati is to take the blame for Jesuit crimes.. therefore, it cannot be linked in any way to the Jesuits.. that's why Jesuit Adam Weishaupt was ordered to pretend to leave the order.
    Irrefutable evidence that Adam Weishaupt never broke ties with Rome comes from the Church itself. They admit that he was reconciled with the Roman Catholic Church on his deathbed.

    The Illuminati - World Of The Wicked
    General orders from the Jesuits?
    Two simple FACTS to open your eyes about the JESUITS and how they are the REAL "Illuminati"
    Fact #1
    Rome, Maryland, was the original name of a community within Prince George's County, Maryland, which would eventually become Washington, District of Columbia. Specifically, Rome was the original community name of Capitol Hill, upon which the United States Capitol Building sits.
    In 1663, the property that would become the Capitol's site was inscribed in the Maryland property records as “Rome,” its owner a man named Francis Pope. The southern boundary of this property was shaped by Tiber Creek named for the river that runs through Rome, Italy, the Tiber.
    The community was part of the ten mile square tract of land which would become the American capital Washington, D.C., and its owner, Daniel Carroll, transferred the community to the federal government after the amendment to the United States Constitution sanctioning the building of the new United States capital city was ratified.
    Daniel Carroll was the chairman of a three-man commission appointed by President George Washington to find a suitable location for the capital city. A signer of the Declaration of Independence, Daniel Carroll was a Roman Catholic educated by Jesuits in Maryland and France. His brother John Carroll became the first Catholic bishop in America, presiding over the See of Baltimore, which included Washington, D.C. John Carroll also founded Georgetown University.
    Fact #2
    Johann Adam Weishaupt (6 February 1748 – 18 November 1830) was a German philosopher and founder of the Order of Illuminati, a secret society with origins in Bavaria.
    Adam Weishaupt was born on 6 February 1748 in Ingolstadt in the Electorate of Bavaria. Weishaupt's father Johann Georg Weishaupt (1717–1753) died when Adam was five years old. After his father's death he came under the tutelage of his godfather Johann Adam Freiherr von Ickstatt[6] who, like his father, was a professor of law at the University of Ingolstadt. Ickstatt was a proponent of the philosophy of Christian Wolff and of the Enlightenment, and he influenced the young Weishaupt with his rationalism. Weishaupt began his formal education at age seven at a Jesuit school. He later enrolled at the University of Ingolstadt and graduated in 1768 at age 20 with a doctorate of law.
    The Lutheran movement took an early hold in Ingolstadt, but was quickly put to flight by one of the chief figures of the Counter-Reformation: Johann Eck, who made the university a bastion for the traditional Catholic faith in southern Germany. In Eck's wake, many Jesuits were appointed to key positions in the school, and the university, over most of the 17th century, gradually came fully under the control of the Jesuit order.
    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age2177909/pg1
    The Rothschilds ROYAL PAPAL Knights Jesuit Controlled
    http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot....nwo.Internet j
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailaway View Post
    Please show the location?
    Attachment 1007592 Attachment 1007593

    Make sure you have Historical Imagery turned on, put the slide on 5/92

    There are many images laid over the top of one another here.

    Your Galleon

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    Moravian Church
    (Latin: Unitas Fratrum, meaning "Unity of the Brethren")
    The Moravian Church was the first Protestant church. The Hussite movement that was to become the Moravian Church was started by Jan Hus in the late 14th century, in what is today the Czech Republic. Jan Hus rejected indulgences and adopted a doctrine of justification by grace through faith alone. Hus was summoned to attend the Council of Constance, which decided that he was a heretic and had him burned at the stake on 6 July 1415. Within fifty years of Hus' death, a contingent of his followers had become independently organised as the "Bohemian Brethren" (Čeští bratři) or Unity of the Brethren (Jednota bratrská), which was founded in Kunvald, Bohemia, in 1457. They received episcopal ordination through the Waldensians in 1467.These were some of the earliest Protestants, rebelling against Rome some fifty years before Martin Luther.
    By the middle of the 16th century there was not a single town without a Protestant school in the Czech lands. In Jihlava, a principal Protestant center in Moravia, there were six schools: two Czech, two German, one for girls and one teaching in Latin, which was at the level of a high / grammar school, lecturing on Latin, Greek and Hebrew, Rhetorics, Dialectics, fundamentals of Philosophy and fine arts, as well as religion according to the Lutheran Augustana. With the University of Prague also firmly in hands of Protestants, the local Catholic church was unable to compete in the field of education. Therefore the Jesuits were invited, with the backing of the Catholic Habsburg rulers, to come to the Czech lands and establish a number of Catholic educational institutions, foremost the Academy in Prague and the Academy in Olomouc, Moravian capital.
    Emperor Matthias sought to install the fiercely Catholic Ferdinand of Styria on the Bohemian throne, but in 1618 the Protestant Bohemian noblemen, who feared losing religious freedom, started the Bohemian Revolt. The Revolt was defeated in 1620 in the Battle of White Mountain. As consequence the local Protestant noblemen were either executed or expelled from the country while the Habsburgs placed Catholic (and mostly German speaking) nobility in their place. The Habsburgs not only suppressed Protestantism but also the Czech language: books written in Czech were burned and any publication in Czech was considered to be heresy by the Jesuits.
    Jesuits shape country back to Catholicism? I think it is more than coincidence that the deciding battle was on White Mountain, just like the Battle that Geronimo fought. Dose White Mountain play an important part in the Battle of Good and Evil?
    Ty John for pointing out that there was a drawn picture on the hillside. Welcome comments from others of new information on this area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Arizona View Post
    with all this knowledge, I would like to see the Jesuit Treasures you have found so far, to back up all your claims of what you have to say.
    To back up ANY of my claims, all you have to do is read some on the subject. I never claimed to have broken the Jesuit Code like some others on this forum. You may have read SEVERAL times where I emphatically state that ANYBODY who claims to have discovered the secrets of the Jesuits is full of BS. I know way more than your average bear on the history and workings of the Jesuit Order. I haven't, and nobody I know has either (and I know many of the best and brightest in the field). We have found many clues. We know what some things mean. But, putting everything together has yet to be done by anybody that I know of. THOSE are my claims.

    What have I claimed to have found? Ask anybody that knows me. They will tell you. If you know more than a few people that do this seriously, then you probably know at least one that knows me pretty well. The people that know me (and there are many), know what I have found. I don't need to prove myself to anybody (like you) that I don't know, and have nothing to do with. If you have an issue with anything I say, then you can just bounce your happy a$$ out of my thread and start one of your own. My bonafides are well known in this community. Read a book or two sometime.

    Best - Mike
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    The leader of the Jesuit Order, the Superior General, is commonly known as the "black pope" because of both his power and black vestments.
    Such is the degree of loathing and suspicion that attaches to the Jesuits that some conspiracy theorists regard them as the ultimate puppetmasters, and some claim that the Illuminati and the Jesuits are the same thing.
    The Jesuits, like the Knights Templar before them, were created by the Illuminati to infiltrate and destabilise Catholicism. Both orders were suppressed: the Templars permanently and the Jesuits for a few decades. The Jesuits, by the time they were reinstated, had been purged of virtually all traces of the Illuminati, although it is worth pointing out that in more recent times French Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, in his theories concerning the Omega Point and Noosphere, independently created ideas that are not far distant from the tenets of Illumination, the religion of the Illuminati.
    Illuminati Grand Master Adam Weishaupt was educated at the Jesuit College in Ingolstadt in Bavaria, and the Jesuits largely controlled the town's university. Some conspiracy theorists have therefore concluded that the Illuminati were the creation of Jesuits. Ingolstadt was in fact the headquarters of the Illuminati at that time, and many Jesuits were carrying out duties on behalf of the Illuminati. However, it should not be assumed that all Jesuits were in league with the Illuminati. For decades, the Vatican had been taking increasing control of the Jesuit Order and many if not most Jesuits were, by the late eighteenth century, entirely loyal to the Pope. The Order had, in effect, split into two separate factions. When the Order was suppressed it was so that it could be purged once and for all of all "undesirable" elements. Only when it was felt the task was complete - after more than a generation - was the Order reinstated. The Vatican had learned from the previous example of the Knights Templar and this time did they did not want to create any new martyrs or myths, so they did not eliminate the Order, but purified it.
    Illumination: the Secret Religion - Illuminati Jesuits?
    So who is pulling the Puppet Strings? Notice!Writing in red is in error? unless the Illuminati was operating before it was officially founded?

    "The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying, 'This is mine', and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: 'Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.'"
    Jean-Jacques Rousseau
    this is exactly why the Indians did not understand about land purchases. There is no way to own land as you can not take it with you when you die.The best you can be is a caretaker.
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    Sailaway,

    First, this is not an Illuminati/Jesuit Conspiracy Thread.

    Second, your source is flawed! How could the Jesuit Order have been "created by the Illuminati to infiltrate and destabilize the Catholic Church" when the Illuminati were created in 1776, and the Jesuits were formed in 1540 (236 years before the Illuminati)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    Sailaway,

    First, this is not an Illuminati/Jesuit Conspiracy Thread.

    Second, your source is flawed! How could the Jesuit Order have been "created by the Illuminati to infiltrate and destabilize the Catholic Church" when the Illuminati were created in 1776, and the Jesuits were formed in 1540 (236 years before the Illuminati)?

    Mike
    Mike,

    Glad to see you sticking to the facts. I was going to write something but figured, with my "tunnel vision" and all it would just draw more fire.

    Take care,

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Arizona View Post
    well non the less, with all this sing song for many years.... seems to me that you would have some factual proof... anybody can talk the talk
    I talk the talk, because I have walked the walk. I have spent the last twenty-odd years of my life researching libraries, archives, reading books, and learning to translate Colonial Spanish Documents (which involves learning to read several different types of handwriting (here's a bit of info):

    A Primer on Spanish Colonial Paleography

    and I have also spent an inordinate amount of time hiking and climbing in and around some of the most godforsaken places in the Southwestern US. The factual proof is tough sometimes. Some things that I have been told about by others, was told to me on the promise that I don't post anything publicly. Some things are directly related to a couple of ongoing projects that I just won't share. The one thing that EVERYBODY who knows me knows, is that I don't lie or make up things to look important. I tell it exactly how it is. I have done enough real things to have campfire stories for the rest of my life. HAHAHA

    Do I have some factual evidence? Yes. Some of what I have has already been shared in the 153 (so far) pages of this thread. Will I share everything I know online? No. Sorry. If you see pie in the sky carvings that are only visible in satellite pics, then I am not the guy you want to talk to. The Spanish/Jesuits did not have satellites or aircraft. If your signs/symbols can be seen from the ground, then I might be able to help. One of these is Spanish, and one is Jesuit:

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    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusjumper View Post
    Mike,

    Glad to see you sticking to the facts. I was going to write something but figured, with my "tunnel vision" and all it would just draw more fire.

    Take care,

    Joe
    HAHAHA When I said tunnel vision, I meant your always wanting to look at just Pimeria Alta. You can't make any judgements on the Jesuits by just looking at one small piece of land. Since the Order is worldwide, their higher ups think on a much grander scale than Pimeria Alta. In order to get a good handle on how the Order thinks and works, you have to look at them globally. The Order had individual agreements with the monarchs of Spain, England, France, Portugal, Japan, China, Parma, Russia, Prussia, etc, etc, etc. To their way of thinking, both the Order and the Catholic Church was larger and more important than any single country. After all, they both served God and not some mortal man/woman that claimed divine right.



    Sailaway,

    Also, since the Jesuit Order was dissolved by the Pope in 1773, how could they destabilize the Catholic Church? The Catholic Church did not recognize the Jesuits as an Order.


    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    HAHAHA When I said tunnel vision, I meant your always wanting to look at just Pimeria Alta. You can't make any judgements on the Jesuits by just looking at one small piece of land. Since the Order is worldwide, their higher ups think on a much grander scale than Pimeria Alta. In order to get a good handle on how the Order thinks and works, you have to look at them globally. The Order had individual agreements with the monarchs of Spain, England, France, Portugal, Japan, China, Parma, Russia, Prussia, etc, etc, etc. To their way of thinking, both the Order and the Catholic Church was larger and more important than any single country. After all, they both served God and not some mortal man/woman that claimed divine right.



    Sailaway,

    Also, since the Jesuit Order was dissolved by the Pope in 1773, how could they destabilize the Catholic Church? The Catholic Church did not recognize the Jesuits as an Order.


    Mike
    Mike,

    Not true, I only want to debate Jesuit mining in "Pimeria Alta." I have looked at a much more complete history of the order.....Pro and Con.

    Take care,

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusjumper View Post
    Mike,

    Not true, I only want to debate Jesuit mining in "Pimeria Alta." I have looked at a much more complete history of the order.....Pro and Con.

    Take care,

    Joe
    But Joe,

    To understand if and why the Jesuits would stick to their agreement with the King of Spain, you also have to look at how they abided by their agreements with the rulers of all the other countries where they evangelized. If I find they stuck to the letter of the law in those countries, then I give them the benefit of the doubt that they did so in Pimeria Alta as well. If I find that they tried to subvert rulers and governments in those other countries, then there is much reason to assume that they acted the same way here. If there was a huge paper trail that detailed all their actions, then it would be possible to make assertive statements about the Order. What we have though, are big empty places in our knowledge of the Order at the time. We also have directives to all the Missionary Priests to both encode letters and destroy them after. Two VERY suspicious Precepts.

    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    But Joe,

    To understand if and why the Jesuits would stick to their agreement with the King of Spain, you also have to look at how they abided by their agreements with the rulers of all the other countries where they evangelized. If I find they stuck to the letter of the law in those countries, then I give them the benefit of the doubt that they did so in Pimeria Alta as well. If I find that they tried to subvert rulers and governments in those other countries, then there is much reason to assume that they acted the same way here. If there was a huge paper trail that detailed all their actions, then it would be possible to make assertive statements about the Order. What we have though, are big empty places in our knowledge of the Order at the time. We also have directives to all the Missionary Priests to both encode letters and destroy them after. Two VERY suspicious Precepts.

    Mike
    Mike,

    Do you include China in the above highlighted statement?

    Thanks,

    Joe

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    Originally Posted by sailaway
    "When I posted this it was about the writing on the edge my version of the Molina Map. In my Thread I talked about the trick that is a puzzle still and am working on the clues. The last trip there I stood where the Mina Virgon de Guadelupe Mine is and was confused that it had all changed. There has been 44 earth tremors since the last time I was there 9 months before. There is a significant change in the mountain top.several areas have dropped. here is a new view that still does not show all the changes. but look behind the Indian and horse and you will see it has collapsed in. Second photo taken right on the Mina Virgon.
    Attachment 1006169Attachment 1006224"

    Sorry sailaway, the Google Earth photos are of a location not described by the Molina Derrotero. The mine described in the Molina is at Camp Loco in Javelina Canyon.

 

 

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