KGC coded letters

[SEHunter]

Hello everyone, I'm new to all this, but have become very intrigued with the KGC stories. I have found a couple of examples of coded letters sent by KGC members and was wondering if anyone had more examples. I appreciate any help.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

SHARE what YOU got... on here... THANKS!

 

[SEHunter]

I found a letter with a coded message about the formation of a castle. I know the code now , and was wondering if anyone had letters, or knew of other letters, that are coded that I do not know about.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

SHARE yer "code" here; CASTLES were "local Lodges" of KGC.

 

[SEHunter]

I would be more than happy to use the code to translate letters, but I'm not gonna post it on this open forum . Anyway, I'm sure there are others out there who have already cracked it. It's not really that hard

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Been "fishing", lately?

 

[truckinbutch]

Beale would probably be happy to exchange information with you . He has all the answers , according to him .

 

[Rebel - KGC]

ACTUALLY, if it is KGC... it would be Floyd Mann or Hill Biily Bob.

 

[SEHunter]

Thanks SWR, The Texas State Historical Society is a really good resource, I'll check the U of NT. I'm probably over excited about these letters and being able to "decode" them, but like I said I'm new to this and I'm sure someone else knows how also, but it's still pretty cool. Thanks again

 

[SEHunter]

:P OK, I was way too excited about my "Code Breaking Ability". I just got the book by Bob Brewer and the code is in the freakin' book! LOL! I worked like 3 1/2 hours on that stinking thing! So much for that! Thanks for the comments though, I did find some cool stuff from the resources you listed.

 

[Texas Jay]

A letter that is in KGC code pictured below.
~Texas Jay

 

[Timberwolf]

Jay,

Are the KGC treasure maps cryptic like this letter?
If they are, I was wondering if they used the same symbols?
Sorry for the 20 questions, but I have one more....

In your opinion, what is the best source of information on deciphering KGC maps and letters?
Thank you,

Timberwolf

 

[Texas Jay]

Hi Timberwolf. Your questions are excellent but I admit that I have never seen a KGC map except, of course, those shown in books about the KGC treasures. All of the ones I have seen there have not been written in code but are in English. One of my projects this fall will be to locate a reliable copy of the KGC Code which is said to be different than the Confederate Code. Bob Brewer has a photo of the Confederate Code in "Rebel Gold" and, when I had read his book, I posted on our Yahoo group's message board, that after years of study that Brewer had been able to decipher both the KGC and Confederate codes. We may have some files or links to it in our group's vast archives but it will take me awhile to find them. One of our members, Bud Hardcastle, posted this message on another message board several years ago so he is another person who I believe has successfully broken the KGC Code.

***
Re: KGC How much do we really know.
Posted by: Okla. Bud Date: November 17, 2001 at 21:35:02
In Reply to: KGC How much do we really know. by Carol of 40838


"I have been reading some old posts and this one caught my attention.
Carol said who is first. She was referring to info about the KGC. No
one seemed to know anything, so I will give you a little information
on this subject. The Knights of the Golden Circle goes back many
years, but we will start about 1854, not long before the civil war
started, A man named George Bickley was pushing memberships for the
KGC and it was growing into a large organization.After the war there
was the treason trials at Indianapolis pertaining to the KGC and some
of their members. Andrew Humphreys and Stephen Horsey were two of the
men tried. What I want to tell you about is that at the end of the
Civil War a lot of the Southern men were very unhappy with
the way it ended, so they started their own version of the KGC. Maybe
the word started is wrong they carried on with the KGC in their own
way. They did not keep written records because anything written down
could fall into the wrong hands. They would memorize the written
message,and then destroy it. This is the reason very little is known
about what they did. They did however have a code system that a few
of us are familar with. So yes there was a KGC. It was very real and
it just might still be. BUD"

***

I can tell you that some of the many carvings which I believe are guides to KGC treasure and that I have seen and photographed contain some of the coded symbols in them. One reason these treasure locations are so difficult to locate is, I believe, because of the complexity of these codes. Albert Pike, who was a genius, is said to have created the KGC code. Scroll down on this website to find an explanation of the code systems used by the KGC.

http://www.losttreasureusa.com/Newsletters/Volume2Number04April15-2004.htm

Also check out this one:
http://www.outlawtreasure.worldbreak.com/about.html

Timberwolf: As I find more about deciphering these codes, from our group's archives, I will post it here.

~Texas Jay
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

 

[Timberwolf]

Thank you Jay,

I appreciate your help.
I'll have a look at these links.
Thanks again,

TW

 

[cccalco]

I am not claiming that the following is any type of KGC code but I am using it only as an example of how one type of message could be used and I just found the article interesting.
ccc

"In new Rome there walked three men, a Judas, a Brutus and a spy.
Each planned that he should be the king when Abraham should die."

http://www.shout.net/~bigred/Neff.htm

Ray Neff Discovers Coded Messages
(Conspiracy Nation, 4/15/02) -- In 1863, Colonel Lafayette C. Baker
(later promoted to Brigadier General) was in charge of Union counter-
intelligence, heading the National Detective Bureau. In 1866, when
President Andrew Johnson discovered that Baker's Detective Bureau had
the White House under surveillance, Baker was dismissed. Baker feared
(with good reason) for his life, and died under suspicious
circumstances in 1868. (Details are in Anatomy of an Assassination by
John Cottrell. New York: Funk & Wagnalls, 1966.) An inventory of
Baker's possessions showed he owned bound volumes of "Colburn's U.S.
Magazine" for the years 1860 to 1865 -- with one exception: the
volume for the first half of 1864 is not listed in the inventory.
Read on, for why that is important.

Documented in Cottrell's book is the following sworn testimony by one
William Carter, who knew Baker and visited him a few days before his
death:

[Baker] did say some things which made me wonder. When I came into
the room he had a stack of books by his bed and he had one open and
was making marks in it. I asked him what he was doing and he
said, "I'm writing my memoirs." I asked him [again,] to make sure
that I had heard him right and he said it over again. Then I
said, "But, General, them books is already wrote." And he
said, "Right, they are going to have to get up early to get ahead of
old Lafe Baker." And then he laughed. I picked up one of the books
and looked at it, and I saw that he was writing cipher in it.

Please note that when Ray Neff, a research chemist, came across a
bound volume of "Colburn's U.S. Magazine" at a used bookstore 92-
years after Abraham Lincoln's assassination, none of the information
in the preceding paragraphs had yet come to light.

The bound volume of Colburn's magazine which Neff chanced upon was
for the latter half of 1864. Note that, as mentioned, Baker's
inventory shows that he lacked the bound volume for the first half of
1864.

Months after purchasing the volume, Neff was idly thumbing through
it. He noticed a series of numbers and letters written in the margin.
Mr. Leonard Fousche (a professional cryptographer) and Neff's wife
helped him decipher the messages.

Ray Neff noticed that the bound volume was discolored in several
places. After spreading tannic acid over one of these, it revealed a
signature; Baker had apparently used some sort of "invisible ink"
method to conceal his name, "L.C. Baker." A handwriting expert later
declared the signature to be genuine.

Here is what the de-ciphered messages said:

I am constantly being followed. They are professionals. I cannot fool
them. In new Rome there walked three men, a Judas, a Brutus and a
spy. Each planned that he should be the king when Abraham should die.
One trusted not the other but they went on for that day, waiting for
that final moment when, with pistol in his hand, one of the sons of
Brutus could sneak behind that cursed man and put a bullet in his
brain and lay his clumsey [sic] corpse away. As the fallen man lay
dying, Judas came and paid respects to one he hated, and when at last
he saw him die, he said, "Now the ages have him and the nation now
have I." But, alas, fate would have it Judas slowly fell from grace,
and with him went Brutus down to their proper place. But lest one is
left to wonder what happened to the spy, I can safely tell you this,
it was I.


-- Lafayette C. Baker


It was on the tenth of April, sixty-five, when I first knew that the
plan was in action. Ecert [Major Thomas T. Eckert, in charge of
military telegraph headquarters at the War Department] had made all
the contacts, the deed to be done on the fourteenth. I did not know
the identity of the assassin, but I knew most all else when I
approached E.S. [Edwin M. Stanton, Lincoln's Secretary of War] about
it. He at once acted surprised and disbelieving. Later he said: "You
are a party to it too. Let us wait and see what comes of it and then
we will know better how to act in the matter." I soon discovered what
he meant that I was a party to it when the following day I was shown
a document that I knew to be a forgery but a clever one, which made
it appear that I had been in charge of a plot to kidnap the
President, the Vice-President being the instigator. Then I became a
party to that deed even though I did not care to.

On the thirteenth he discovered that the President had ordered that
the Legislature of Virginia be allowed to assemble to withdraw that
state's troops from action against the U.S. He [Stanton] fermented
immediately into an insane tyrade [sic]. Then for the first time I
realised his mental disunity and his insane and fanatical hatred for
the President. There are few in the War Department that respect the
President or his strategy, but there are not many who would
countermand an order that the President had given. However, during
that insane moment, he sent a telegram to Gen. Weitzel countermanding
the President's order of the twelfth. Then he laughed in a most spine
chilling manner and said: "If he would to know who recinded [sic] his
order we will let Lucifer tell him. Be off, Tom, and see to the
arrangements. There can be no mistakes." This is the first that I
knew that he was the one responsible for the assassination plot.
Always before I thought that either he did not trust me, for he
really trusted no one, or he was protecting someone until it was to
his benefit to expose them. But now I know the truth and it frightens
me no end. I fear that somehow I may become the sacrificial goat.

There were at least eleven members of Congress involved in the plot,
no less than twelve Army officers, three Naval officers and at least
twenty four civilians, of which one was a governor of a loyal state.
Five were bankers of great repute, three were nationally known
newspapermen and eleven were industrialists of great repute and
wealth. There were probably more that I know nothing of.

The names of these known conspirators is presented without comment or
notation in Vol one of this series. Eighty-five thousand dollars was
contributed by the named persons to pay for the deed. Only eight
persons knew the details of the plot and the identity of the others.
I fear for my life, L.C.B. [Lafayette C. Baker]

Ray Neff had come across the volume from the latter half of 1864. De-
ciphering Baker's message, it's learned that the names of the members
of Congress, military officers, bankers, newspapermen and others
could be found in Volume One. But as pointed out at the beginning of
this issue of Conspiracy Nation, when Baker had died an inventory of
his possessions showed that particular volume to be missing.

Conspiracy Nation. Now read in all 50 states.
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle/

 

[L.C. BAKER]

:P OK, I was way too excited about my "Code Breaking Ability". I just got the book by Bob Brewer and the code is in the freakin' book! LOL! I worked like 3 1/2 hours on that stinking thing! So much for that! Thanks for the comments though, I did find some cool stuff from the resources you listed.

That was the K.G.C.s intention. To make you think harder than the average bear. 99.9% of the population would not have applied themselves to the task. Here is one that is not in BB's books. It is the first code in a series of codes that were left for us on a K.G.C. / O.A.K. treasure trail that started at Julius Sterling Morton's final resting place. My suggestion to you is to not quit learning and keep up the good work!

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Jay,

Are the KGC treasure maps cryptic like this letter?
If they are, I was wondering if they used the same symbols?
Sorry for the 20 questions, but I have one more....

In your opinion, what is the best source of information on deciphering KGC maps and letters?
Thank you,

Timberwolf

Yes, they are coded and not drawn to represent what is pictured on them as it appears in reality on the face of the Earth. The coded letter I posted started with Morse code to make it easier to open, but that code opened another that is only relevant to that K.G.C. map piece. The map we have is in multiple pieces that have individual maps on them, and then when put together they picture another map of another much larger area. The Extra symbols pertaining to the larger area map and coded representation of the K.G.C. made after assembling it, is what made the small maps hard to decipher individually. Even after the maps are decoded you will still not have exact directions telling you what to do to the T.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Beale would probably be happy to exchange information with you . He has all the answers , according to him .

Now known as "franklin"...

 

[Kace]

And Sadly...Timberwolf passed away quite awhile ago.

Kace

 

[Ol' Kentuck]

This is tha second thread I've run across tonite that's tryin ta resurrect tha dead. And I just signed on.

Tha first one was a good example of why ye shouldn't use a dull knife ta cut bait.

This'n is 10 years old? Pickin's must be gettin slim, I reckon.