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  1. #16
    us
    Mar 2003
    Cocoa Beach
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    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    Larry Hahn owns a war surplus store in Las Vegas, I believe it is located on Charleston Blvd. His group has claims on that area, and has been working for many years. They found the entrance to the cavern, and found the area that was dynamited by Dorr. Too much blockage to penetrate, so they decided to drill down from another area.? Also found was Dorr's name on a wall that had been written in torch smoke. (light source) One of the investors told me that they intended to construct a hotel in the cavern " if we reach that level". There are more stories connecting the underground river that have come to light. One of the best was Mitchell's story of Riley Hatfield. He told Mitchell personally about the cave while running into Mitchell at Cresent Peak. Mitchell had some claims in that area, and had some knowledge of the area. Hatfield told Mitchell that he had climbed Clark Peak to see if he could find water for his burros. He saw what appeared to be a lake to the south with trees bordering the water. Upon nearing the lake, Hatfield realized that it was a dry lake. (Ivanpah Dry Lake) He attempted to skirt the lake to the west as he was headed for Searchlight, Nv to a doctor. He discovered some "low limestone hills" that he investigated. That is where he found a cavern with running water and gold nuggets being washed up from a pool. He said the cave entrance was only about 50 feet up off the desert floor. Later when he was skirting the lake bed, he discovered black sand in the area that carried gold dust. He and his burros were killed in the area of Ivanpah Dry Lake before Mitchell could join him to mine the underground river. Mitchell never found the cavern. Years ago when I was living in Las Vegas, I went to the area of Kokoweek, and Clark Peak. The cavern is closed off to the public, and a lot of work had been done. I went part way up Clark Peak, and you can see the dry lake bed from there to the south. While there, I found a small shoe that belonged to a burro. When I came down from the mountain, I noticed some small hills to the west. Upon further investigation they were limestone, the only limestone hills in the entire area. I searched the area, but could find no sign of a cavern entrance. But the height of the hills, and the location is a perfect match for what Hatfield told Mitchell.
    Another story that I am familiar with is of a man travelling in the area near Nipton, stopped to rest near some hills that had trees? at their base. He heard running water, and after investigation, found a cavern entrance. He never went in because of not having any light. The area Hatfield describes is slightly to the north of Kokoweef, and on the north side of US 15, but the area that was found by the traveller is to the south of Kokoweef, and close to Nipton. Three different stories, three diffent areas containing underground running water. I wonder if this could be part of the ancient river system that runs through California ?
    "Him thief him friend of him last Guinea,
         Him kill both Friar and Priest, Oh dear.
             Him cut de troat of pickaninny,
                 bloody, bloody buccaneer."

  2. #17
    us
    Jan 2005
    Idaho
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    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    I talked to my grandmother about this, they had a ranch down there and came to the area in the early 40's. I asked her about the story and she laughed. she said in the 30's this guy came up with the story to get attention and hopefully some income for whatever reason, she claimed he did the blasting just for the story and there was nothing to it. she however confirms the idea on underground caverns and rivers. Other people from the agree about underground water allso. The fact that there is mining in the area and most likely ungerground water and or caverns, it's resonable that there may be gold. I'm going to be in the area around may hopefully, I want to look around the ranch, which is now part of the national park. I would like to look into this story aswell. This must not be included in the new national park or else they would not be able to do anything, does anybody know? I have never been to the area but looking forward to going.

  3. #18
    NevadaDave

    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    I have obtained a a couple maps that I will be including that show the cavern of gold beneath Kokoweef Peak and nearby ridges. The drawing was drawn by Herman Wallace Jr. under the instruction and personal supervision of E.P. Dorr
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  4. #19
    NevadaDave

    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    another map
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  5. #20

    Jun 2005
    Round Rock, TX
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    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    Just another reply to the question of light sources. Carbide Lanterns. Carbide when mixed with water gives off acetylene gas which burns. These were used by miners in the old days. They are still used by cavers, which is where I started using them. Cavers use lots of battery lights but in long trips into caves they use carbide. I would think that many old prospectors were familiar with mining and carbide lanterns.

  6. #21
    Cptbil

    Mar 2003
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    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    Lab Rat...
    Or!
    Anyone else who would like to go out and see what we can find! :P
    I am planning to spend time this fall, looking for THE! SECOND entrance into the cavern!
    I would be glad to have any/some help, research, or, actual in the field help !
    Anyone ready and willing to spend time researching or out there?
    As I mentioned, ( Reply: Jan. 18, 2005 07:33 AM) I have been working on the Locating and I may have a way to find the SECOND entrance !
    No One is going to find it by "shooting the breeze" on the "net" !
    Or! By sitting around the house !!
    Hey!
    Take a chance!
    cptbil
    CptBil & Bugs

  7. #22

    Jul 2004
    4

    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    have been interested in the subject of kokoweef for some time,have been there several times depending on time of year may be interested in joining you.let me know

  8. #23
    Cptbil

    Mar 2003
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    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    sibor...:
    What's your situation/experience(s) ?
    Are you able to stay for days, weeks, or ?
    Are you equipt for extensive, remote areas camping ?

    CptBil & Bugs

  9. #24

    Jul 2004
    4

    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    cptbil I am originally from minnesota so i am familur with inclamite weather and campiing. I am also self employed and able to take time of as long as i can plan ahead as far as field experiance im afraid i am green but in good health and am sure i can complete any task required.

  10. #25
    Parangjim

    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    California Seeker,
    Just went back and cheecked my Cussler books. The story in which Pitt took the hovercraft through that subterranean tunnel to the Gulf was Inca Gold. Highly interesting reading, but a stretch to believe. Kokoweef seems to have so many tales that it is hard to deny, almost has to be some element of truth.
    jim

  11. #26

    Jul 2005
    1

    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    Hi, guys. I'm new to the forum, and am not exactly interested in mining or exploring for treasure, but I stumbled across this site.

    My now deceased Grandfather, Lee Snyder, was at one time, the President of "Exploration, Inc." I grew up inside Larry Hahn's Surplus store (which is located at 2908 E. Lake Mead, NLV)

    Hahn is a crook, and basically "stole" 60,000 shares of Exploration, Inc from my family after my Grandfather died.


    What he likes to do is drill in one place for a certain amount of time, "realize" that it's a dead end, and begin to drill in another spot on the mountain.

    Notice that all accounts of Dorr's story say that the entrance to the cave is close to the bottom of the mountain? Does anybody else find it odd that Hahn keeps starting at the top of the mountain and drilling down? These are just some observations I have made.


    I think it's great that you guys are looking for the caverns on your own. I'm just warning you not to get involved with Larry Hahn.

  12. #27
    us
    Jul 2004
    Wickenberg , AZ
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    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    Skeptic has the story right, Explorations Inc has a patented claim on the area, they will sell you a share in "Explorations Inc and teach you to hard rock mine and drill and lower cameras in to holes, its a club that has been going on for years just like the Gold Prospectors or Lost Dutchmen but there is always another sucker that will put up his money and join. They have big potlucks and lots of social occasions out there and all kinds of trailers and mining equipment. Check with the Attorney Generals of California and Nevada before investing.I have 24 years experience in all kinds of mining and have done a through investigation of that area years ago. NOW if I can interest you in some gold mines in Mexico lets talk!!!!
    Dream as if you'll live forever; Live as if there's no tomorrow!

  13. #28

    Jul 2004
    4

    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    is there a current web site for explorations inc,reading the last two post makes me wounder how anyone could supposidly sit on top of the cavern for 30 years and still not be able to find it.

  14. #29

    Aug 2005
    Fisher Gold Bug
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    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    I see some nasty rumors that need to be addressed here.

    There are no shares being sold.

    You can gain shares by donating time (going down and working as a team member not just on your own).

    Another way is by donating useful equipment.

    Still another is by donating money to the mine operation for equipment repair, fuel, blasting powder etc. etc.

    As far as not finding the caverns after looking for 30 years.

    Some of that can be blamed on the fact that most of the work is done on a volunteer basis which make's things move very slowly at times.

    Don't forget were looking for something inside a mountain, underground. Something out of sight

    In a mountain that is riddled with vugs.

    You could have one inch of rock wall between you and a passage that leads to the caverns and never know it if you haven't moved that one inch of wall or if your superman with xray vision and he has not come to work with us yet.

    We have found caverns, just not the right one.

    This is a big mountain with lots of natural openings as well as manmade ones.

    Of course we don't just let anyone go down and walk around.

    There is not a working mine in the country that is just going to let strangers walk around at thier lesiure.


  15. #30

    Jan 2006
    7

    Re: Anyone familiar with the Kokoweef Peak story?

    RE: "is there a current web site for explorations inc,reading the last two post makes me wounder how anyone could supposidly sit on top of the cavern for 30 years and still not be able to find it."

    Has anyone thought of why the ancient city of TROY was lost for centuries ... and it was on the surface! Earl 'Dorr's' so-called "entry" was allegedly small and, later, was intentionally hidden. (i.e. easy to hide then / hard to find nearly 80 years later) The "game of whisper" and intentional disinformation and misinterpretations has done the rest to obscure the "missing information."

    25 Years of researching, volunteering and living at Kokoweef Peak has taught me a lot about the legend.

    So, all you Kokoweef geniuses, do you REALLY believe that good old Earl P. Dorr (a practical miner) would give ANYone the complete and correct information regarding an entry location if:

    1. ... the entry was involved with someone else's property, which he couldn't file a "clear 'n clean" mining claim on for legal title?
    2. ... he'd set himself up for manslaughter or murder charges if he blasted and left skeletons inside "the only known entrance?"
    3. ... he'd maybe implicate other relatives if they had knowledge of blasted and left-behind skeletons inside an "only known entrance?"
    4. ... he'd give away $150 billion in gold if his 'free' information enabled others to leave him "in the cold without the gold?"
    5. ... The National Park Service's position, even in the 40's, was to PREVENT "monument quality caverns" from falling into private ownership
    6. ... World War II SHUT down ALL gold-only mines in America? (Would Earl have left his entry wide open for anyone in the meantime?)

    This legend has everything to do with the psychology of imaginations, motivations and deceptions.

    There is a BIG difference between BELIEVING in something and KNOWING something.

    The Directors and investors in Explorations Inc. of have been sincere in their efforts at Kokoweef Peak.
    At worst, they might be accused of inefficiency, but that is often a limiting nature within volunteering efforts and certainly not criminal.
    Suckers are ignorant of "something" informationally and most of that can be traced back to Earl Dorr's motivations and deceptions, which were let out into the world of observers to suit his purposes and NOT leave himself disadvantaged.

    In my opinion Earl survived to become the "great old gent" his nephew Ray experienced. He was a hot-tempered, young cowboy who escaped history to view and live through World War I, The Great Depression, WW II and the advent of the Atomic Age. People may judge him unkindly, based on unproved 'dasturdly deeds,' but I wasn't there with him. And, eventually, I realized that, as it is for everyone:
    "Written descriptions by sideline observers are not living experiences."

 

 
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