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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by SWR
    Quote Originally Posted by EddieR
    Quote Originally Posted by aarthrj3811
    I have done just that. That's why I know what I'm talking about. Further, I think it is incredibly sad that some of the LRL scammers have chosen to build, sell and promote their devices as explosives and bomb locators - when they know full well there is NO trace of validity to their claims; and they profit from the sales while hundreds of people are killed depending on the false claims and fraudulent devices. Of course those self-appointed saviors of such LRL scammers have the same BLOOD on their hands as those who are actually selling the devices. They may duck and dodge, divert and post pictures of straw men, but in the end they cannot wash the BLOOD off their hands.
    Gee Ted….Great Post….So we are all murders because we use LRL’s and MFD’s to locate treasure. Wow…What a statements …
    Darn ..I guess I have been asking my questions of the wrong Skeptics

    How many lives have been saved in the war zones by these Fraudulent Explosive Devices that have located thousands of tons of Explosives?..Art
    Art, he ignores your question because he doesn't have the guts to answer it.
    It is a Loaded Question Fallacy. There are no probability statistics available that would support an answer
    But there must be data for it. After all, Ted claims that hundreds of lives have been lost due to the belief in the bomb locator. If his data is available, then surely the other must be available too. Of course, we have found out that anything Ted says should be taken with a shaker of salt, not just a grain....
    Refusing to think "outside the box" is an indication of square thinking.

  2. #197

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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by SWR
    Quote Originally Posted by EddieR
    Quote Originally Posted by SWR
    Quote Originally Posted by EddieR
    Quote Originally Posted by aarthrj3811
    I have done just that. That's why I know what I'm talking about. Further, I think it is incredibly sad that some of the LRL scammers have chosen to build, sell and promote their devices as explosives and bomb locators - when they know full well there is NO trace of validity to their claims; and they profit from the sales while hundreds of people are killed depending on the false claims and fraudulent devices. Of course those self-appointed saviors of such LRL scammers have the same BLOOD on their hands as those who are actually selling the devices. They may duck and dodge, divert and post pictures of straw men, but in the end they cannot wash the BLOOD off their hands.
    Gee Ted….Great Post….So we are all murders because we use LRL’s and MFD’s to locate treasure. Wow…What a statements …
    Darn ..I guess I have been asking my questions of the wrong Skeptics

    How many lives have been saved in the war zones by these Fraudulent Explosive Devices that have located thousands of tons of Explosives?..Art
    Art, he ignores your question because he doesn't have the guts to answer it.
    It is a Loaded Question Fallacy. There are no probability statistics available that would support an answer
    But there must be data for it. After all, Ted claims that hundreds of lives have been lost due to the belief in the bomb locator. If his data is available, then surely the other must be available too. Of course, we have found out that anything Ted says should be taken with a shaker of salt, not just a grain....
    There must be data for it? Well....you need to bring into the discussion. It is not only Ted that claims that hundreds of lives have been lost due to the fraudulent explosive detectors. You should really try to touch base with reality. This is a very touchy subject that demands respect for those who have made the ultimate sacrifice because of these devices.
    I totally agree that it's a toudhy subject. Gee...I wonder who brought it up first?

    So maybe you can point me in the right direction. Where did you find the info about hundreds of lives being lost. I would like to read up on it.
    Refusing to think "outside the box" is an indication of square thinking.

  3. #198
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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    There must be data for it? Well....you need to bring into the discussion. It is not only Ted that claims that hundreds of lives have been lost due to the fraudulent explosive detectors. You should really try to touch base with reality. This is a very touchy subject that demands respect for those who have made the ultimate sacrifice because of these devices.
    Yes it does…But claiming that T-Net members that use LRLs and MFD’s designed to find Treasure are Murdering people is a complete Falsehood.
    Maybe you haven't keep up with the news. The fraudulent devices are banned from being shipping. The UK manufacture was arrested and so forth. Maybe you know...and maybe you don't know......the fraudulent explosive detectors are EXACTLY the same as "Treasure Hunting" detectors.
    You seem to be under the impression that there was only one brand of Explosive Detector been used by our troops…There is the flaw that you seem not to care about.. So I ask again..How many lives have been saved by Bomb Detectors?
    the fraudulent explosive detectors are EXACTLY the same as "Treasure Hunting" detectors.
    Thank you SWR for finally admitting the real reasons for you nonsense posts. The 28 T-Net members who are users of LRL’s and MFD’s made for Treasure Hunting will be glad about this revelation. After being called Murders and all kinds of bad names you owe them an apology.
    If I was you I would Delete every post I have every made on T-Net and crawl back into my hole
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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?



    Do you even follow the News, in regards to this war?
    Almost every photo on the news show a Marine holding one of these devices

    “Hang down you head Jim Dooley, hang down your head and cry”

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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Alright, now I'm confused!?!? Since some of the people here know everything, surely I will get an answer.

    Are explosive detectors not supposed to detect molecules of explosive compounds? Granted the levels of concentration must be small, and the read cycle very short to be directional. Any strong wind would affect them as would a masking agent. Is this correct?

    A LRL uses molecular energies of one sort or another (I know --) to "locate" a target or so the theory goes. Is this correct?

    How are the two related?

    This is like saying The theory of relativity is not to let your relatives move in with you. Sort of the same but VERY different.
    Help a confused Th'er out.

    But remember the elemental mass defect IS equal to the total bonding power according to E=MC2

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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Good evening my friends & especially PBSRC#1: I finally had to take swr off of ignore to see just how silly he still is. Oh well.

    It was posted by Ted --> I also think those who protect, speak up for and support these LRL scam artists, are no better than the scam artists themselves.
    *********
    I thank you ted, and also would like to say that those that refuse to discuss the possible theory behind them, not necessarily the one being posed, are guilty of the same thinking as the Salem witch hunters. If it isn't in the bible, it is witchcraft and the possessors should be burned at the stake.
    =============

    I also found this interesting -->

    But, this description was only a trap for the unsuspecting, for Planck then made an about-face, and asserted that, "ladies and gentlemen, this view has never contributed to any advance in physics."

    Relating the sense perceptions to one another with mathematics, and pulling logical derivations out of those relations, can be quite interesting, but this could never, in itself, derive a new discovery of principle.

    The generation of new knowledge about the universe comes from a world different from that of sense perception, but one which the human mind has access to.
    Planck's target in these speeches was the so-called Positivist movement. Since the time he hypothesized the existence of the quantum of action, these anti-reason "brownshirts" asserted that

    'all knowledge must come only from that which is measurable.



    Therefore, that world Planck referenced, as the domain of human creativity, could not exist.

    ========


    I assume that you 'do' recognize the name Planck?

    Don Jose de La Mancha (Tropical Tramp)

    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by fenixdigger

    A LRL uses molecular energies of one sort or another (I know --) to "locate" a target...
    That statement is nothing more than you repeating a myth you've heard. The idea that LRLs use molecular energies is totally incorrect and was originally fabricated by one, possibly two, LRL scam artists to help market their fraudulent devices in an attempt to HIDE the fact that they were simple dowsing wands. Thus, the "mark" ended up paying a huge amount of money for a glorified dowsing wand that would essentially do the same thing as a piece of bent coat hanger wire.
    Best regards,
    Ted

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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Posting stuff that is already here is not something I wish to waste my time on. The dynamic duo should do your own research, and try to keep up with the threads as they evolve. That way you won't be asking silly questions of folks that have already done the research.

    http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg2361601

    http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg2388561

    Maybe overwhelming a public forum with a volume of pointless questions gives you some feeling of washing the blood from your hands; but I can assure you, IT DOES NOT!
    Best regards,
    Ted

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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    The LRL devices used as explosive detectors we are discussing are empty plastic boxes, with a transistor-radio type of antenna precariously balanced on a swivel.

    The keywords here are "empty plastic box"
    You are so dense that you do not believe your own post..The Irag government found a few that were just empty boxes…The key work is “few”…They did not think that they came from the manufacturer that way….
    I know that you think that we are all dumb murders but you are always wrong.

  10. #205

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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by JudyH
    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Groves

    Posting stuff that is already here is not something I wish to waste my time on.


    A simple review of your posts on this forum is proof of the error in that statement.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Groves

    Maybe overwhelming a public forum with a volume of pointless questions gives you some feeling of washing the blood from your hands; but I can assure you, IT DOES NOT!
    "In other words " ..... you can't or won't answer the questions?


    Thank you for participating in my double blind experiment.
    ( Albeit, unknowingly....since to be true DB you could not know ).



    Will post results soon as they are analyzed by a third party.





    Refusing to think "outside the box" is an indication of square thinking.

  11. #206

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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by EddieR
    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Groves
    Quote Originally Posted by fenixdigger
    Any % above 40 or 50% is very good.
    You have struck on a very important point. You see if those who believe in their LRLs, are not capable of, or don't wish to accurately (mathematically) determine exactly what the measure of merit is - then, they can forever kid themselves that the devices are providing some measure of "results" better than pure chance. In actuality, they are essentially getting the same results as what random selection would provide; but without proper analysis will remain their entire life, fooled by the results of the simple ideomotor effect.

    My problem is not with those people. If they want to remain in their make believe world; they have every right to.

    What I do have a problem with, are those who know and understand exactly how an LRL "does not work" and will build, sell and market these fraudulent items to the G&TC. I also think those who protect, speak up for and support these LRL scam artists, are no better than the scam artists themselves.

    It would be nice if the people that seem mad at lrl users would go with someone on a hunt or two and really see whats up.
    I have done just that. That's why I know what I'm talking about. Further, I think it is incredibly sad that some of the LRL scammers have chosen to build, sell and promote their devices as explosives and bomb locators - when they know full well there is NO trace of validity to their claims; and they profit from the sales while hundreds of people are killed depending on the false claims and fraudulent devices. Of course those self-appointed saviors of such LRL scammers have the same BLOOD on their hands as those who are actually selling the devices. They may duck and dodge, divert and post pictures of straw men, but in the end they cannot wash the BLOOD off their hands.


    Let me ask you a question, Ted. How many LRL's have you personally tested, and did you purchase them new?
    Still waiting on an answer.
    Refusing to think "outside the box" is an indication of square thinking.

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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by JudyH
    Quote Originally Posted by SWR
    Quote Originally Posted by JudyH
    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Groves

    I think it is incredibly sad that some of the LRL scammers have chosen to build, sell and promote their devices as explosives and bomb locators - when they know full well there is NO trace of validity to their claims; and they profit from the sales while hundreds of people are killed depending on the false claims and fraudulent devices. Of course those self-appointed saviors of such LRL scammers have the same BLOOD on their hands as those who are actually selling the devices. They may duck and dodge, divert and post pictures of straw men, but in the end they cannot wash the BLOOD off their hands.
    A couple of simple questions, Ted.

    In view of your position on LRL's "as bomb detectors".....what have you, personally, done in the Real World (not simply posting on a public treasure hunting forum) to put a stop to the "Blood"-shed you speak of ?

    What have you done for the loved ones left behind....the collateral damage allegedly caused by the use of these LRL bomb detectors?

    According to SWR, all you have to do is file a "Complaint" that the product (or products) are fraudulent....with the proper authorities. Why have you not done so? It would appear to be a very simple proposition, if these products are truly fraudulent.

    What have you personally done to stop the "Carnage".... besides incessant ranting on a public treasure hunting forum.... (of all places )?


    Maybe you haven't keep up with the news. The fraudulent devices are banned from being shipping. The UK manufacture was arrested and so forth. Maybe you know...and maybe you don't know......the fraudulent explosive detectors are EXACTLY the same as "Treasure Hunting" detectors.

    Thank goodness they have been banned in the USA

    I'm sorry...I didn't realize your name was Ted, SWR.

    Maybe you didn't understand the questions I directed to Ted....but that's ok, I left you one of your own on a different thread so you wouldn't feel left out.

    ---------------------


    A couple of simple questions, Ted.

    In view of your position on LRL's "as bomb detectors".....what have you, personally, done in the Real World (not simply posting on a public treasure hunting forum) to put a stop to the "Blood"-shed you speak of ?

    What have you done for the loved ones left behind....the collateral damage allegedly caused by the use of these LRL bomb detectors?

    According to SWR, all you have to do is file a "Complaint" that the product (or products) are fraudulent....with the proper authorities. Why have you not done so? It would appear to be a very simple proposition, if these products are truly fraudulent.

    What have you personally done to stop the "Carnage".... besides incessant ranting on a public treasure hunting forum.... (of all places )?




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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Am I so dense, that I do not believe my own post?
    I don't think its that I am dense, Art. The root of the problem comes from your not being able to comprehend what is posted.
    Yes, It is always our fault that we do not understand your phony posts
    Can you validate your claim that the Iraq government found a few that were just empty boxes?
    It is in one of your phony posts..You go find it
    And this is the same Government that purchased the product without proper testing in the first place...right?
    How do you know that proper testing was not done? Just because your Skeptic web sites tell you that
    I've never said LRL proponents were all dumb murders.
    I am not going to look for that. Why should I after being called names for 8 months?
    You're blowing that way out of proportion. You should possibly take a second look at what you are defending.
    I am defending the 7 LRL’s and MFD’s used for treasure hunting that I know work.
    In view of your position on LRL's "as bomb detectors".....what have you, personally, done in the Real World (not simply posting on a public treasure hunting forum) to put a stop to the "Blood"-shed you speak of ?
    You have got that wrong..The ones that are calling us murders are all Skeptics. Don’t try to use that tactic on me.
    What have you done for the loved ones left behind....the collateral damage allegedly caused by the use of these LRL bomb detector
    Nothing but pay my taxes
    Maybe you haven't keep up with the news. The fraudulent devices are banned from being shipping.
    The UK manufacture was arrested and so forth. Maybe you know...and maybe you don't know......the fraudulent explosive detectors are EXACTLY the same as "Treasure Hunting" detectors.
    No they are not..That is your delusion not ours


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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Um....you are actually quoting one of Judy's posts, Art.

    New tactic? Gonna start bickering with her, too?
    Good…That is just another mistake you will make..

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    Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?

    Apparently, Ted and SWR choose to ignore those empty devices that saved so many lives in Vietnam by locating boobytraps and ammo caches. You know..............those skinny little pieces of welding rods or coat hangers that were bent into "L" rods.

    "Dobie created the HUNGER............Von Mueller said, EAT". comment by HELM Associates on the dedication page of their book, Treaasure Lead Generation.

 

 
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