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    LRL QUESTION FOR SKEPTICS?

    This is a marketing research question.

    MONEY BACK guarantees seem unprecedented in the Metal Detector & LRL industry and when they are offered there is usually a 15% re-shelving fee attached.

    QUESTION? Would you purchase a non- electronic LRL that advertised more features than the expensive electronic versions, with a FREE TRIAL, and a FULL customer satisfaction, no questions asked, MONEY BACK CUSTOMER SATISFACTION GUARANTEE? Dell
    Last edited by Dell Winders; Jan 12, 2019 at 04:28 PM.
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    What is the retail price?

    Chub
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    You forgot to account for return shipping costs...
    And the answer is; No.
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    This is a loaded question. It is "stacked" at the on-set. So that anyone who says "no" (like Ice-wing) looks mighty foolish. Eg.: "What have you got to loose?" and "who can argue with stacks of gold you might find?", etc... Eh ?

    I forget where it the study was done, but .... decades ago, in "Madison Ave" type marketing research, showed that whenever such guarantees were put forth, your sales did indeed increase.

    For example: If your competitor offers of a "5 yr. money-back guarantee", you simply offer a "10 yr. money-back guarantee" (even though the product is identical). Presto, your sales jump. It doesn't speak to the efficiency of the product, or say that the 2nd product was any better than the first. It's merely an "eye-appeal" sales pitch.

    Or, for example, Sears used to offer a "life-time car battery". So instead of a scale of price for 1, 2, or 5 yr. car battery, they had a LIFETIME battery. It wasn't that the car battery lasted a "life-time" . It was because their marketing department reasoned that .... in 5 yrs. ... typically you would have sold the car by then, lost your receipt, forgotten where you bought it, etc.... In reality, the battery was IDENTICAL to their 5 yr. battery. It was strictly a marketing technique that ..... to the average consumer .... you'd be foolish NOT to spend 2x the $$ on.

    So too is it with your question. When you word it the way you word it, then no one can say "no". Yet in reality, speaks nothing to the merits of whether the product works or not. The odds are (Madison Ave. consumer habits), most people are not going to go through the hassles of returning. Or will chalk up their lack of success to "lack of skill". Or will find something (with a detector to "pinpoint", that's the ticket) and will think it works, etc....
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    Post-script: This was/is not bashing or badgering. It is an intellectual logical pro/con answer. Answered in/on direct request (calling for skeptics, no less). Ok ?
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    You are right. FREE shipping to the customer was not mentioned. If is the customers choice to return the product and therefore accepts the cost and added insurance if they wish. Probably under $12 in the US. Thanks for your input?
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    A simple Yes, or No would answer my question. Dell
    Last edited by Dell Winders; Jan 12, 2019 at 03:11 PM.
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    Price is not established, but under $1000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    This is a loaded question. anyone who says "no" (like Ice-wing) looks mighty foolish.
    Or just wise enough to know better, but thanks for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    no one can say "no".
    I did and proudly stand by my "No"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dell Winders View Post
    This is a marketing research question.

    MONEY BACK guarantees seem unprecedented in the Metal Detector & LRL industry and when they are offered there is usually a 15% re-shelving fee attached.

    QUESTION? Would you purchase a non- electronic LRL that advertised more features than the expensive electronic versions, with a FREE TRIAL, and a FULL customer satisfaction, no questions asked, MONEY BACK GUARANTEE? Dell
    Dell, I might not be inclined to buy one, but that sounds like a very fair offer.
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    Sounds fair to me.
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    non electronic sounds like a pair if divining rods.

    chub

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dell Winders View Post
    A simple Yes, or No would answer my question. Dell
    This may not be a simple yes or no answer(going by the little info provided). As a skeptic, I still know nothing about the product. All I know is what was mentioned in the first post. I haven't even seen a picture of the product. Going by the first post alone for my information? My answer is no.

    Less than a grand? That doesn't tell me much either. I wouldn't spend 100 bucks on one, especially not seeing or knowing much of anything about the product. Tom in CA has some good points too and think he was giving advice more than bashing. The price point would make all the difference too, even with a money back guarantee. Some people would pass over if the price is over a certain point. They wouldn't want to bother for that amount. There is some to that too, and research needed to hit that "comfort" number.

    And Like he said above, this is not bashing, the thread was intended to draw in us skeptics.

    Also, how much more advanced could I possibly make my coat hangers? You do have my interest and curiosity!! Just not my confidence....Yet. How can a non electronic unit have more features?

    Your pitching to people who may know very little about LRL because of us being skeptics. Yes or no isn't that simple with what is provided for info so far.
    Last edited by Nitric; Jan 13, 2019 at 04:20 AM.
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    Pure Physics, can't be mentally influenced. Can be used blindfolded. Dell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dell Winders View Post
    This is a marketing research question.

    MONEY BACK guarantees seem unprecedented in the Metal Detector & LRL industry and when they are offered there is usually a 15% re-shelving fee attached.

    QUESTION? Would you purchase a non- electronic LRL that advertised more features than the expensive electronic versions, with a FREE TRIAL, and a FULL customer satisfaction, no questions asked, MONEY BACK CUSTOMER SATISFACTION GUARANTEE? Dell
    Dell, can you go in to more detail about the additional features you mentioned? Do you have any photos of the device?
    Last edited by seasiat7; Jan 13, 2019 at 07:15 PM.
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