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  1. #16
    um
    Nemo me impune lacesset

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    Heck UncleMatt - there are people posting exact coordinates on the forums trying to get people to go out there and look, and it is just as likely they are trying to send people on a wild goose chase! These Lost Adams hunters are harder to get talking, the info is so hard to win that few want to just give it away.
    Oroblanco
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    mx
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    Hola, coffee?? Try 108* 59' W 28* 01 N For the Tayopa Naranjal hehehehheheh
    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

  3. #18
    um
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    Quote Originally Posted by Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp View Post
    Hola, coffee?? Try 108* 59' W 28* 01 N For the Tayopa Naranjal hehehehheheh
    Oh you found the orchard of ORANGE TREES there amigo? You did not mention that previously, nor that the longitude and latitude were SO far from where every indication was that Naranjal really is?

    Please do continue - if the twin peaks can be positively identified I think it will go a long way to finding the Lost Adams diggings.
    Oroblanco

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  4. #19
    us
    Jul 2012
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    I am currently making up some Google Earth maps with every known LAD landmark shown, as well as a map that illustrates colored sectors that show areas covered by claimed distances from distant landmarks (like I talked about earlier). As soon as I get them complete I will post them here. Of course, I expect to get everyone's exact GPS cords for their favorite LAD sites. LOL (holds breath)

  5. #20
    pw
    Apr 2003
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    Wow, UncleMatt, that sounds very cool and will be very interesting. I for one am looking forward to seeing it.
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







  6. #21
    us
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    Okay, I need some help on something else I am working on LAD wise: defining the criteria for the canyons we should be looking for. I have a GIS specialist with $40K of software waiting to get this from me so he can take an elevation map from USGS and then use his software to highlight only those canyons that meet LAD specs. For example, many of the stories mention very high canyon walls, and specific canyon widths. How high should the criteria be for those walls and widths if we want them indicated on such a map?

    Please guys, think on this, and post your input. I'm trying to create a map where only the canyons that might be suitable candidates show up, so we can ignore the rest. Or any other geographic information we could use to narrow down the LAD search area.

  7. #22
    pw
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleMatt View Post
    Okay, I need some help on something else I am working on LAD wise: defining the criteria for the canyons we should be looking for. I have a GIS specialist with $40K of software waiting to get this from me so he can take an elevation map from USGS and then use his software to highlight only those canyons that meet LAD specs. For example, many of the stories mention very high canyon walls, and specific canyon widths. How high should the criteria be for those walls and widths if we want them indicated on such a map?

    Please guys, think on this, and post your input. I'm trying to create a map where only the canyons that might be suitable candidates show up, so we can ignore the rest. Or any other geographic information we could use to narrow down the LAD search area.
    I wouldn't know what to recommend myself, because so many LAD versions differ. One man's 'deep, steep, rough zigzag canyon' may look get an entirely different description from you or me. Remember that all the published LAD versions are at best third hand and, people tend to mis-interpret or embellish things, often to make the story more readable. I'm not trying to make your job harder Matt, but this is exactly the reason practically every canyon in eastern AZ/western NM has been looked at since Adams' alleged 1864 escapade - with no cigar.
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







  8. #23
    mx
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    UM, an excellent idea, but don't take my data seriously, just bugging that Dakota sheep lover.

    Then again

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  9. #24
    us
    Jul 2012
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    lol, I wasn't taking you seriously about those coords.

    I will be re-reading the stories this weekend while hunkering down in the desert winter, and trying to come up with list of canyon criteria to operate from. I don't have it here with me to quote from, but I recall "towering canyon walls" and "the canyon was 300 yards wide". So lets say for grins that a "towering canyon wall is 150' at least. I can tell my GIS specialist to illustrate any geographical canyon areas where the elevation map shows at least 150' depth for depressions from their bottom to the top edge, and between 250 and 350 yards of width. Then he will generate a Google Earth map that shows the areas that meet the criteria in an overlaid color.

    Note: if anyone disagrees with my approximations, please speak up, and be ready to justify your objections. I'm always open to other sets of eyes. Also feel free to correct any errors I may post about what is in the tales we are using. Also throw out criteria you believe are relevant for consideration.

    Once I get the target canyons figured out from the map, I will use other methods to look into them further. Only Dusted knows what I'm up to, and can't really go into that yet. But I plan on posting the kmz or kml files here for these maps, and would appreciate other contributors as well. I believe a collaborative effort will win the day here, and nothing else will.

  10. #25
    us
    Jul 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by Springfield View Post
    I wouldn't know what to recommend myself, because so many LAD versions differ. One man's 'deep, steep, rough zigzag canyon' may look get an entirely different description from you or me. Remember that all the published LAD versions are at best third hand and, people tend to mis-interpret or embellish things, often to make the story more readable. I'm not trying to make your job harder Matt, but this is exactly the reason practically every canyon in eastern AZ/western NM has been looked at since Adams' alleged 1864 escapade - with no cigar.
    Lets just keep it simple then and reduce our parameters to canyon depth and width. His software couldn't tell a zig-zag from a zag-zig anyway!We can get more specific than that if the situation requires. Even those 2 simple criteria may be enough to narrow down the search into manageable chunks of territory, but who knows.

    Once we have this map done, we could then start looking at the length of the canyons, and comparing that to the various stories. In the end we could have a specific map for each version of the story, and then try to find commons leads they all share. This will become very obvious when I post my landmark and distance map soon.

    I honestly wish Jack Purcell were still posting here, I would love to have his input and participation. Especially since he doesn't even live 20 miles from my place in Albuquerque.
    Last edited by UncleMatt; Dec 06, 2013 at 04:47 PM.

  11. #26
    gr
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    UncleMatt

    How many LAD clues you believe fit in this picture ?

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  12. #27
    us
    Jul 2012
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    Well, no trees suitable for cabin building are visible on the pediments below the canyon walls, and no stone walls or constructions were mentioned in any of the tales, so I would say this canyon does not match the LAD. But this photo is not high enough in resolution to make out much more than what is obvious, and you would need to be more specific about the part of the LAD story it supposedly represents. Is it the site of the LAD, or is it in one of the canyons leading to it? Since I am focusing on mapping, what are its GPS coordinates?
    Last edited by UncleMatt; Dec 06, 2013 at 05:02 PM.

  13. #28
    us
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    I was hoping we could avoid bs in this thread

  14. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleMatt View Post
    I was hoping we could avoid bs in this thread
    BS in your opinion . Don't forget this .
    Marius


  15. #30
    us
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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    BS in your opinion . Don't forget this .
    Your coords were for cancun, mexico....

 

 
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