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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    Joe

    " South of Black Mountain ( not Black Top Mesa ) between La Barge and Needle Canyon " is the place were Ruth wrote on his notebook " Veni , Vedi " , because is the only place from where you can see the " Perfil " or " Ruth - Gonzales " map reversed . Namely the " Weaver's Needle " to the right and the other hight mountain ( Bluff Spring Mountain ) to the left . On the map the author didn't show The " Weaver's Needle " from the base but only the top and the other picture to the base is a part of the mountain in front of it . I s a trick to confuse .
    Maybe " Ruth was a greenhorn, tenderfoot " but he was smart and before reject the clues , he tryed to decode them . If he didn't killed , today not talking about were is the LDM .
    MM,

    I assume, you aware of the mine on the west end of that mountain.


    Take care,

    Joe

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  3. #42
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    Hello my friends, I have another map thats probably not related. It's in spanish and shows montana negra (BLACK MOUNTAIN )
    it is related to a treasure but i'll try to post it this week.the only other word is apacheria.

  4. #43
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    I give credit for these images to Joe Ribaudo's Thread "Adolph Ruth".

    I do not see any copyright/trademarks on these images, and will use
    them freely.

    I do not use these images to offend or take profit from them.......Jack Herman
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    "Red Mountain and only "Red Mountain !" (Mt McDowell)
    I have no other interests in my Search for Clues linking the
    last Mine Peralta/Jacob Waltz/LDM, One and The Same.......

    drinkin' ale and kickin' ass since 1775, not necessarily in that order !

  5. #44
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    Joe


    The LDM is " en medio de cimas ( the word " S.CIMA " of "Perfil " map is an anagram )" of " Sierra mas alta " , and not on the west end . Near " Bluff Spring Mountain " are a lot of mines . To find how looks the LDM region , look the Peralta's " Cross trail " stone map to the end of the trail .


    Marius
    Last edited by markmar; Jan 16, 2013 at 02:28 PM.
    Marius


  6. #45
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    Homar

    The " cave " 200 feets from LDM is not a common cave . Read the post at " LDM why you can't get it ! MAP #33 " thread owned by JackH .


    Marius
    Marius


  7. #46
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    this "Heart" thing is just starting to sink in........

    I think someone was trying to direct me here......
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    "Red Mountain and only "Red Mountain !" (Mt McDowell)
    I have no other interests in my Search for Clues linking the
    last Mine Peralta/Jacob Waltz/LDM, One and The Same.......

    drinkin' ale and kickin' ass since 1775, not necessarily in that order !

  8. #47
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    Is a beautiful " shadow ' heart . Sometimes the " heart " is in incredibly place . Who knows , maybe is the " golden " heart , enought to seem from the ground and not only from the space .

    Marius
    Marius


  9. #48
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    The Horse

    "EL COBOLLO" (CABALLO)

    Map #10 from (MEQSA) Mesa on the satillite image, the highest
    and nearest Peak across the Salt, I would think that the "HORSE
    is visible, if not visible from a lower angle from (Usery Mountain).

    Pin placement is between the ears, HORSE mane and long tail is visible,
    HORSE looking from right to left, front & rear legs are visible as well.
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    "Red Mountain and only "Red Mountain !" (Mt McDowell)
    I have no other interests in my Search for Clues linking the
    last Mine Peralta/Jacob Waltz/LDM, One and The Same.......

    drinkin' ale and kickin' ass since 1775, not necessarily in that order !

  10. #49
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    "El Cobollo"

    "EL COBOLLO"
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    "Red Mountain and only "Red Mountain !" (Mt McDowell)
    I have no other interests in my Search for Clues linking the
    last Mine Peralta/Jacob Waltz/LDM, One and The Same.......

    drinkin' ale and kickin' ass since 1775, not necessarily in that order !

  11. #50
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    Horse + five (5) markers

    I have always said the RIO on EL COBOLLO is the Salt River.

    Now I have presented here, how the 5 fits in relationship to Red Mountain
    (exactly the same spacing and placement) as the outcroppings/major fixtures
    across the Arroyo from Red Mountain.
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    "Red Mountain and only "Red Mountain !" (Mt McDowell)
    I have no other interests in my Search for Clues linking the
    last Mine Peralta/Jacob Waltz/LDM, One and The Same.......

    drinkin' ale and kickin' ass since 1775, not necessarily in that order !

  12. #51
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    Hello again Jack
    I'm squintin real hard but can't figure out what the 6 pushpins are suppose to represent. Mind helpin me?
    V
    Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not: Jeremiah 5:21

  13. #52
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    Upper left of "EL COBOLLO" stone (5 dimples)

    Is this better ?
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    "Red Mountain and only "Red Mountain !" (Mt McDowell)
    I have no other interests in my Search for Clues linking the
    last Mine Peralta/Jacob Waltz/LDM, One and The Same.......

    drinkin' ale and kickin' ass since 1775, not necessarily in that order !

  14. #53
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    better yet Vor ?
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    "Red Mountain and only "Red Mountain !" (Mt McDowell)
    I have no other interests in my Search for Clues linking the
    last Mine Peralta/Jacob Waltz/LDM, One and The Same.......

    drinkin' ale and kickin' ass since 1775, not necessarily in that order !

  15. #54
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    Not really. The first overhead image does not lay out anywhere near the configuration of the stone "dimples". And the second image shows how minor these points are. You can overlay the "dimples" to an infinite number of points in the supes by changing the scale and end up with a closer layout than that.

    But maybe I'm just blind or a novice that hasn't learned how to do the Dutch-squint yet.

    But if it looks good to you, go with it. Send back photos if possible.

    V
    Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not: Jeremiah 5:21

  16. #55
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    It's not from the peralta stones but nice marking. Good luck

  17. #56
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    I was talking about the heart marking. The horse and 5you markings are not correct, sorry.but of course this is your hunt.I just tell you this so you don't make the hike. I submitted peralta heart months ago, check it carefully.

  18. #57
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    You have to look for one or the other.they lead to different treasures and .areas h

  19. #58
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    You have to look for one or the other.they lead to different treasures and .areas h

  20. #59
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    Everyone has an Opinion.......and that is Good !

    Seems to be more than One Opinion. Based on the "Handle" and the
    neighborhood from which the second opinion responded, I give "peralta"
    the nod.

    We all take Liberties, and I might take a Few more because of the tools
    of my Investigation.

    I Personally do not use Overlays. If I believed that the MAP Makers used
    Overlays, I would have looked further into that Tool.

    Because of the Richness of the Area of these Threads, there cannot be
    any doubt on the vast number of Mines that have been discovered and
    most likely mined out, based on the value of the Gold to retrieve it at the
    time.

    Based on the information available (Spanish are not talking) the Spanish
    have been taking out precious metals from the North American continent
    (New Spain) since the late 1500's, and Waltz's time (he's not talking either)
    which accounts for about 3 Centuries.

    Is it Possible that Named Mines have been Secreted and re-found in areas
    that the New Finders have labeled as the Original Named Mines ? Only now
    that they have been called by the Old Name for so long that they are now
    known as "The Named Mine." I Think So.

    Quote:
    Apache Jack further said that the Apache left a marker. In a steep-climbing arroyo high upon a mountainside where no white prospector would normally think of looking for gold, was a bright yellow ribbon of it in a narrow vein of rose quartz. It lay under towering cliffs, which overhung the whole arroyo, within plain sight of nearby Weaver's Needle, and thinking no white man would ever venture there, the Apaches did not conceal this place. Below was the secret marker, an eight-foot high boulder hoisted upon the skyline of a ridge which, because it formed an abrupt bend in the north-south trending Needle Canyon, formed also for a few hundreds yards the only south slope. This boulder had been chiseled to look like a rampant horse's head with mouth open, one ear laid back and with the other ear standing straight up. However, it was only so recognized against the sky when viewed from down canyon a short ways to the north.

    If the Apache's were capable of this Feat, there would be many Monuments to be Witnessed !
    Although these Indigenous Peoples have created other Landmarks, they were NOT as creative
    (Engineering) as other Civilizations, except like Waltz, in the Direction of the Mine which is Offered !

    I believe that Quote above just as much as all the Clue's Waltz offered, other than maybe the
    last couple which may have been mis-interpreted!

    Quote: I was not a citizen of the United States, nor had I declared my intentions of becoming one. So, for that reason I couldn't locate and record the mine." Since he was, in fact, a legal citizen, having been naturalized in Los Angeles, California in 1861, one has to wonder why he made this statement. It tends to shed doubt on anything he ever said. Unquote.
    "Red Mountain and only "Red Mountain !" (Mt McDowell)
    I have no other interests in my Search for Clues linking the
    last Mine Peralta/Jacob Waltz/LDM, One and The Same.......

    drinkin' ale and kickin' ass since 1775, not necessarily in that order !

  21. #60
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    Jack,

    Waltz had other mining claims prior to his time in the Superstitions.

    Joe Ribaudo

 

 
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