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    Quote Originally Posted by Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp View Post
    Cactus, you forgot to mention that appears to be the remains of an old
    Arrastre, and a fairly small one at that. K 'Oro de Tayopa' what is your opinon on it ??

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    Looks like an old arrastre to me. Usually they got torn apart when the miners who built them were done with them, in order to get any gold that got into the cracks, so it is unusual to find them so intact. I know that you and several others are well aware of this, just saying it for the benefit of any newbies and other readers whom are reading our words.

    Roadrunner wrote
    How did Julia,and Petrasch know german? And if they didnt,they wrote all that down,not knowing german,as he spoke it.
    Pretty good writing for not knowing german.
    Waltz must have been off his rocker.
    Why would someone who lived in Phoenix,by the salt,go north to the verde,then to the salt,then south to where he was going to.
    Why not go east,and then north a few miles.
    I will try to answer some of your questions;

    How did Julia,and Petrasch know german? - Reinhard Petrasch was born to German parents, there are sevearl versions of how Julia came to know it, one being that one of her parents was Deutsch. They did not write down much info, as far as I know, what we have passed down to us comes from other treasure hunters whom contacted Julia and Reiney and questioned them, as in Sims Ely and Jim Bark, Pierpont Bicknell, Barry Storm, John D. Mitchell among others. These are the folks who wrote it down in English, though from what others who knew Waltz said, it appears that Jacob Waltz also spoke English pretty well. Julia Thomas did make a number of maps to the mine which she sold in later years, as she was rather hard up for cash.

    Waltz must have been off his rocker. Waltz was very likely suffering from a fevered mind in his death bed, but I see nothing to indicate that he was "off his rocker" at any time prior to this.

    Why would someone who lived in Phoenix,by the salt,go north to the verde,then to the salt,then south to where he was going to.
    Why not go east,and then north a few miles.

    This last set of questions is the easiest of all. Firstly, Waltz did not live in Phoenix prior to 1868, he was active in the Bradshaws near Prescott; if he were to take the straightest, shortest route in to his mine and out, it would have been very very easy for the many claim jumpers and dry gulchers active in the area to simply follow him to the mine, claim it for themselves, murder him etc. He had to take a circuitous, and deceptive route each time, and many of those who followed him stated that he rarely went the same route twice. There are people today whom would follow YOU to the mine, if you knew where it was located, so that they could claim it first or even murder you for the possession of it. So that part remains not much different from the time of Waltz, other than we don't have war parties of Apaches or Navajos haunting the mountains waiting for passersby to pounce on. Remember, the Apaches were still hostile until 1885, and Waltz had pretty well quit visiting his mine by that time. When he went out to the mine, he had multiple dangers to deal with, from both the "whites" and the "reds". Anyway Waltz did go the very route you suggest at some times, as he did not go only one way in and out. I hope this has been of some help to you amigo.

    Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
    Oroblanco
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    Thanks oroblanco.
    I just meant off his rocker with fever,you are right.So actually no directions could have been right.
    Forgot Petrasch was German.
    Never seen a black German.
    Did not know about the Bradshaws,( I knew ,but thought he was in Phoenix).
    Well to me that means the gold came from the Bradshaws.No wonder nothings been found in the supes. He was looking in the supes, may have had a cache in the supes,but no goldmine.
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    Roadrunner - would that not have been a most cruel thing for Waltz to do then, to tell his friends Julia and Reiney, and Dick Holmes (if he was a friend) that he had a mine in the Superstitions, and try to tell them how to get to it?

    Waltz discovered and helped discover several rich gold mines in the Prescott area, which he sold out his interests in before filing for the homestead in Phoenix (1868). It is possible that his gold came from there rather than the Superstitions, but why tell his friends it was in the Superstitions? To get them killed, or lose their money searching for it? Also, several old-timers from Florence recalled Waltz coming there to get supplies as well as to get a small portable drywasher built; according to them, it was "no big secret" at the time that Waltz had a rich gold mine in the Superstitions. Also, the ore from Waltz's claims in the Bradshaws is different from the ore found in the candlebox under his deathbed. This point will ruff some feathers but I stand by it.

    Besides, there is quite another Lost Dutchman gold mine in the Bradshaws which predates the Waltz story; a German named Youngman in fact. He was from Missouri (of German extraction) and that is quite another story.

    As to black Germans, Julia Thomas was what they called a "mulatto" - half black, half white, and was an American not a German. So her white parent could have been the German one. It is not at all unusual for children to learn a foreign language of their parents in America, even while they are learning English that is used outside the home. There is such a thing as black Germans due to the former German colonies in Africa, from which some people emigrated to Germany and elsewhere, speaking German. Some of the best German soldiers of WW I were their black Askaris of Tanganyika, as a side note. I am sure that others have more research on Julia and could provide further details.

    Just my own opinion but the clues to Waltz's mine have gotten mixed in with clues from more than one other lost mine, which are not the same mine. The story of the Ludy brothers for instance, contributes the tale of the Peraltas, the funnel-shaped pit and other parts, the Two Soldiers mine likewise. I don't say this to discourage anyone, rather the evidence would tend to show that there is not just one lost gold mine in the Superstitions (and I include a larger area than just the boundaries of the wilderness area) but that there are in reality several. The Ludy brothers mine, aka Peraltas, the mine found by Joe Deering which was not covered and had hunks of ore laying around the entrance being another, for examples. It is possible that these mines are on the same vein, that the vein is exposed in more than one place so to speak but anyway just my own opinion. Sims Ely and Jim Bark realized this (the mixing of clues) too late in the game, or they might have found it.

    Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
    Oroblanco
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    QUOTE:Roadrunner - would that not have been a most cruel thing for Waltz to do then, to tell his friends Julia and Reiney, and Dick Holmes (if he was a friend) that he had a mine in the Superstitions, and try to tell them how to get to it?UNQUOTE.

    No,he was with a fever,and did not realize he was talking about the wrong mountain range.
    Ans as for the ore,.I have asked,and there is no ore to be compared to,or no matrix or description of the materials in the ore. Except for maybe 1 or 2 people that possibly have a specimen,but those are the people writing books,or friends of people writing books. So there is nothing to compare to.
    If ASU did a test one time,where are the results of the matrix of the ore?
    I did not know Julia had a German parent or was(mixed).

    So basically,the only 2-3 people,who Waltz gave directions to the mine, did not find it,or found it,and did not report it and lived happily ever after.
    So,in other words,it is lost until some one falls into a shallow depression,or hole.
    Or a natural disaster opens it up.
    I think I am about done with this.
    It is an interesting tale though.
    Thanks for your time and explanations though.
    It has helped a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner View Post
    QUOTE:Roadrunner - would that not have been a most cruel thing for Waltz to do then, to tell his friends Julia and Reiney, and Dick Holmes (if he was a friend) that he had a mine in the Superstitions, and try to tell them how to get to it?UNQUOTE.

    No,he was with a fever,and did not realize he was talking about the wrong mountain range.
    Ans as for the ore,.I have asked,and there is no ore to be compared to,or no matrix or description of the materials in the ore. Except for maybe 1 or 2 people that possibly have a specimen,but those are the people writing books,or friends of people writing books. So there is nothing to compare to.
    If ASU did a test one time,where are the results of the matrix of the ore?
    I did not know Julia had a German parent or was(mixed).

    So basically,the only 2-3 people,who Waltz gave directions to the mine, did not find it,or found it,and did not report it and lived happily ever after.
    So,in other words,it is lost until some one falls into a shallow depression,or hole.
    Or a natural disaster opens it up.
    I think I am about done with this.
    It is an interesting tale though.
    Thanks for your time and explanations though.
    It has helped a lot.
    Hola amigos,
    Roadrunner I get the impression that you have not researched this too much, seems that you have only some parts of the story? I think if you did some more research on it, you would not feel quite so negative about the prospects.

    First consider this - most of those whom have hunted this lost mine, have zero experience at prospecting and have been counting on the various "clues" or treasure maps to lead them to the mine, which a lot seem to expect to be a big open hole they can not miss. Even today, a lot of fellows can't tell a mine from a cave, and often mistake an empty prospect hole for the lost mine. Remember too that Waltz went to some effort to conceal the entrance to his mine, and covered up the spot where the vein is exposed further down the canyon. The entrance was "no bigger than a barrel" according to one who saw it, so this is not exactly a large thing to look for. Waltz put in desert ironwood logs, six feet in by one source, and then filled in the hole from there with rocks and dirt, so it is quite possible that a 100 year old cactus could be growing right on top of it today for that type of wood is remarkably resistant to rot. Anyway point is that a LOT of people have already walked right past it, almost certainly. It will not be easy to see, barring some earthquake (and Arizona does get a fair number of quakes) or perhaps a heavy rainfall will result in a landslide, uncovering either the mine or the vein below it.

    Next - Waltz gave a set of directions to Dick Holmes the very night he was feverish and dying, and this version we see in the Holmes manuscript. To Julia and Reiney however, he gave the instructions over a much longer period of time, weeks or months, and they simply did not pay much attention when he was trying to tell them how to get to the mine. Even Waltz himself told Reinhard once, "Reiney you better listen! That mine is hard to find, even when you know where it is!" This statement indicates to me that the mine is not near any remarkable landmarks and is quite difficult to find, perhaps even so for Waltz himself. Anyway Waltz was certainly in sound mind prior to the last days of his life, and had been trying to tell his friends Julia and Reiney the correct directions, then later (according to Dick Holmes) tried to tell Holmes how to get there but was of course feverish, and dying, so those directions you find in the Holmes manuscript could be confused due to Waltz being feverish.

    Julia Thomas was not really the type of person whom could go out in the desert to hunt for a lost mine; her first night spent in the desert, she climbed on top of a big rock and fired her gun at "rattlers" all around it, which was simply the rustling leaves. Reiney was not much better and enlisted the aid of his (real) father and brother, and they made another attempt, but to the disgust of Reiney's relatives, Reiney had a very muddled memory of what the directions were. They broke up but spent years hunting separately. If only Reiney had paid better attention, this lost mine might not even be known today as a lost mine.

    Most of the folks whom have hunted for the Lost Dutchman since 1891, were laboring under one or more false ideas, like the funnel shaped pit for example, which was from the Ludy brothers story and not Waltz but got mixed in to the story. So these treasure hunters could have (and probably did) walk right past the actual mine while looking for that funnel shaped pit. I am fairly convinced that one did find it, Walt Gassler, but he died before being able to show anyone else the location. Inside his backpack was an ore sample that matched the Dutchman specimens, of which several still exist and as you surmise, are held by private parties but could possibly arrange a comparison by request. Dick Holmes had an assay done on Waltz's ore, and it came out very high in gold, and rather low in silver by comparison.

    It takes a lot of research for any serious and successful treasure hunt, whether it is hunting the sunken ship Atocha like Mel Fisher did, or the Lost Dutchman gold mine. Just because many have failed is no proof that the mine is not still out there, waiting for someone with a bit of luck and hard work to find it. A great deal of 'chaff' has been thrown into this legend too, which makes the job that much harder. I hope that you won't give up on finding the Lost Dutchman without at least giving it a try.

    Good luck and good hunting Roadrunner, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
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    I'm no Dutchman expert by a long shot, more the Stone Maps for me. But while looking for evidence of the Stone Map Trail we stumbled onto what I thought were some Dutchman clues. Never put much hope in finding the lost mine, but it never hurt's to look, unless you back into a Saguaro. Of course it's not just the clues you have to look for, but more what the geology of the area says, and sometimes it speaks quietly.

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    I have only researched the forums here,on the dusa,and the ldm.
    I want to buy a copy of the holmes manuscript the next time i am in the valley.
    I have bought no books because to me they are just about fake,to expensive,except for the one that CJ recommended.
    I really truthfully want to read facts,and solve a riddle.
    I want the Gold,or ore.

    I really do not like to sit and read different versions of tales that relate to the same thing.
    In my opinion,why have 12 books,read 12 books,that say nothing about how to find the mine.
    I have also asked people in this forum to give me there location by pm there spot of finding gold,a ledge,or a marker,or a pit,or what ever eles they have found,and no one will.They say it will come out in another book.
    Can I ask you,in your opinion,where would you go,if you cant look for it any more. Or if you don't want to.

    I will go pick up the rocks,the ore,the specimens,what ever is out there.
    I will move what ever or do what ever I have to. Im not scared.
    But no one will tell me.
    But your right,there is probably a suqauro,and a lot of brush over the trail,and mine entrance(if it is not walled up),which,if it is,it wont be found unless by accident.
    I also own a construction company,lay sewer line,ect.
    I can go to a house where I put in a sewer line,12 months ago,and it looks like the ground has never been disturbed. And if you tried to dig it,would be compacted hard.

    After I buy the holmes manuscript,if it is true,I will see what clues are in it.
    Could you pm me,the only true clues that you know,are fact?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner View Post
    I have only researched the forums here,on the dusa,and the ldm.
    I want to buy a copy of the holmes manuscript the next time i am in the valley.
    I have bought no books because to me they are just about fake,to expensive,except for the one that CJ recommended.
    I really truthfully want to read facts,and solve a riddle.
    I want the Gold,or ore.
    I really do not like to sit and read different versions of tales that relate to the same thing.
    In my opinion,why have 12 books,read 12 books,that say nothing about how to find the mine.
    I have also asked people in this forum to give me there location by pm there spot of finding gold,a ledge,or a marker,or a pit,or what ever eles they have found,and no one will.They say it will come out in another book.
    Can I ask you,in your opinion,where would you go,if you cant look for it any more. Or if you don't want to.
    I will go pick up the rocks,the ore,the specimens,what ever is out there.
    I will move what ever or do what ever I have to.Im not scared.
    But no one will tell me.
    If you want to limit the number of books, please include The Lost Dutchman Mine by Sims Ely, it is about the best source available, and Sims Ely unlike most of the authors, actually went to Julia, Reiney and even Dick Holmes to ask. When you read it you will soon realize that Sims Ely was no prospector too, for he did not recognize it when a source he talked to told of "winnowing" the gold with her husband (prior to Waltz finding the mine) and the gold being the size of "grains of wheat" which is clearly describing a method of mining a dry placer, not lode gold but Ely did not know that. Also, you do not have to buy a bunch of books, you can often borrow them from public libraries free.

    It is not surprising that many treasure hunters are not willing to share their hard-won knowledge about where they would look for the lost mine. They want to get it themselves, and I am not different in that aspect. I don't want to mislead you either. I do not know the location of the mine so can't tell you that, and the spot where I think it is, I would like to go myself so have not told even my closest friends. That said, I would give this advice - think about the geology first; gold normally occurs in a quartz vein and that is what we are after for that is what Waltz had. These veins are formed by the actions of extremely heated waters, coming up from volcanic activity - not like lava, but like a water SO heavy with dissolved minerals that the instant it got under lower pressure and cooled, the minerals crystallized out and formed these veins in the cracks of rock that were already there. The best place to look for this kind of thing, known as "hydrothermic" deposits, are around volcanic calderas but not usually IN the calderas, and there are at least three large calderas in the Superstitions. The edges of these just happen to be where most of our treasure hunters have been looking too. Next - keep in mind that gold has been found along with silver and copper, in a number of places all along the eastern edge of the Superstition mountains, and gold was found in Goldfield in very rich veins. Today they don't consider Goldfield a part of the Superstitions but it was during the time of Waltz. So those are good clues. Next consider where gold can be panned out, for that gold has to be eroding out of the host rock somewhere "upstream" and uphill, and there are only a limited number of places in the Superstitions where you can pan out gold, like Fish creek, Tortilla creek, or Pinto creek. Pinto creek in particular is where the third source on Jacob Waltz (not Julia & Reiney, nor Holmes, but found in the Pioneer Interviews, where unemployed writers were put to work interviewing the old timers in the old folks homes in Arizona during the Great Depression) claims that Waltz really had his mine. Pinto creek drains off of Iron Mountain, which as the name implies has a good amount of iron in the rocks on the mountain, and the Spanish used to say that Iron is the "mother of Gold" for you often find the two metals together, just like you find gold in black sands which are basically a type of iron sulphate.

    When you have picked out a likely creek or canyon to follow up, keep your eyes open for float quartz (float meaning it has 'floated" away from the source) as this could be traced back to the vein it came from. It would be wise to pan for gold along the way too, and do that as carefully as you can for you want to find any speck of it, in order to follow it back to the mine.

    I would be wary about the clues, for they have become quite mixed up in over 100 years, but keep a list of them with you in case you see anything that seems to fit the clues, but I would not depend on that; stick to the geology first, clues second. In the stories from Waltz and the one from his partner Weiser, we have it that Waltz traveled to Adams Mill to get flour and supplies when their mule raided it, and while he was out, the Indians attacked and Weiser escaped, coming out near where Sacaton is today. This also gives us some information for if the mine were located near the western end of the mountains, then it would have been shorter for Waltz to go to Ft McDowell, but he chose to go to Adams Mill which is near Florence, which is also where Waltz was known to purchase supplies and his dry washer.

    Anyway while Waltz could have easily concealed the mine entrance, and even covered up the vein where it was exposed below, he could not have removed every speck of gold that has washed down off the deposit over the millenia, nor the quartz float that would have eroded off the vein. These should leave us a trail that could lead you right back to the mine, with luck and hard work, and not having to depend on any clues or tales or books written by other treasure hunters.

    My apologies for taking so many words to explain this, and also for not telling you my own "favorite" spot to look, but I would rather be honest with you than to mislead you. Some people might think it funny to send you off on a wild goose chase, to some place they know has nothing, just because they think it funny. Good luck to you amigo, I hope you find the Lost Dutchman mine - and please send me photos when you do! I get almost as big a kick out of it when someone else makes a great find, as if I did it myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner View Post
    I have only researched the forums here,on the dusa,and the ldm.
    I want to buy a copy of the holmes manuscript the next time i am in the valley.
    I have bought no books because to me they are just about fake,to expensive,except for the one that CJ recommended.
    I really truthfully want to read facts,and solve a riddle.
    I want the Gold,or ore.

    I really do not like to sit and read different versions of tales that relate to the same thing.
    In my opinion,why have 12 books,read 12 books,that say nothing about how to find the mine.
    I have also asked people in this forum to give me there location by pm there spot of finding gold,a ledge,or a marker,or a pit,or what ever eles they have found,and no one will.They say it will come out in another book.
    Can I ask you,in your opinion,where would you go,if you cant look for it any more. Or if you don't want to.

    I will go pick up the rocks,the ore,the specimens,what ever is out there.
    I will move what ever or do what ever I have to. Im not scared.
    But no one will tell me.
    But your right,there is probably a suqauro,and a lot of brush over the trail,and mine entrance(if it is not walled up),which,if it is,it wont be found unless by accident.
    I also own a construction company,lay sewer line,ect.
    I can go to a house where I put in a sewer line,12 months ago,and it looks like the ground has never been disturbed. And if you tried to dig it,would be compacted hard.

    After I buy the holmes manuscript,if it is true,I will see what clues are in it.
    Could you pm me,the only true clues that you know,are fact?
    RR

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    Then I met up with RR and Chuck, we were going to go gold panning but I persuaded them to check out this one area I thought was interesting. Insert details of the trip to the area, passing a Gila monster............................RR stumbled upon a small opening in the cliff face that looked like somebody had filled in. We started digging a bit till we found a log and decided to hook a chain around it and pull it all out with Chuck's Raptor.

    With a loud crash and the scream of a Ford motor the opening was cleared. By this time it was about 4 in the afternoon and the sun was trying to work it's way through the dust and it seemed to be reflecting back out of the small barrel sized opening. No mistaking that golden shimmer blinding us.........................lots and lots of pyrite. But we made good money off the book LOL

    Sorry if this sounds cynical, just meant for fun. I've met RR, and he makes a good point. How are your going to find a barrel size whole in all that. The proverbial needle in the hay field littered with nails.
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    Thanks again oroblanco.
    I am going to copy and save some of what you wrote for my collection.
    I live by Superior,am going to pinto creek,Iron mountain ect. There is a person here on tnet that knows of the story of the guy that had the gold ore ans was confronted by the mine person and it was dumped on the side of the road.
    I have been out Queen Valley way panning. A person took me to a hill that had nothing but white quartz all over it.All float.
    I know about florence because I go there from time to time.
    I go to Superior all the time to work on houses.
    I pass Peralta road and the superstitions every week.
    I believe it is some where close to hewitt station,Iron mountain,Reavis Ranch, ect.
    Supposibly wiser walked for 2 days,over 20 miles to get to the ranch.I forget the name.
    Ok,I will get the holmes manuscript,and look for the book you mentioned,and the one CJ mentioned,unless his is not different.


    I realize no one is going to reveal there location. But,if they are not going to do anything about it,why keep it secret. I wouldn't.
    Why not let some one else get it,and get the credit for finding it.
    I have read 2 books at the library in Superior,but they don't have nothing.
    And like I said,most of it is fiction I believe. There have been 2 posts that I read that could give a set of directions from the board house in 3 sentences.
    Why did not waltz just say that. Unless he did and no one heard him right.

    And your right Somero. I am going to take a pic of the Supes from the sign for the Az Renaissance entrance. Just 1 pic to let people see just the size of what they see from there. And try and find a 2-3 foot square,covered up hole,that has been covered for 150 years.
    Like I posted,I could take anyone to a sewer line I installed last year,and you could not see where I put it.


    Somero,lets write the book. Lots of money in books.
    But thats to short.We have to be looking and in the supes for weeks.Hardly no water,food,lots of snakes,cactus spines,storms,the Thunder Gods talking to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner View Post
    And your right Somero. I am going to take a pic of the Supes from the sign for the Az Renaissance entrance. Just 1 pic to let people see just the size of what they see from there. And try and find a 2-3 foot square,covered up hole,that has been covered for 150 years.
    Like I posted,I could take anyone to a sewer line I installed last year,and you could not see where I put it.


    Somero,lets write the book. Lots of money in books.
    But thats to short.We have to be looking and in the supes for weeks.Hardly no water,food,lots of snakes,cactus spines,storms,the Thunder Gods talking to us.
    I really don't think some folks who have never seen or been in those mountains can really appreciate how grand they are, definitely not a walk in the woods.

    Your book idea sounds good........as long as it does not turn into some kinda "Fear and Loathing" story
    Eric

    "Doctor say's its just a slight tick and I should stay away from dishonest people"

  12. #27
    us
    Jan 2012
    Pinal Mountains,Arizona
    Garrett Groundhog-2012-1st MD. White's Goldmaster V/Sat-2nd-MD-2013 Tesoro Lobo-2015-3rd
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    When I call you let me know whats up with those marks in the rock you posted.
    You could go with chuck and me to Iron mountain.Plus I got to tell you the story of the guy with the ore that the mine super made the guy throw out of his truck.
    Maybe we can find the old trail,2 track,road up to the Reavis Ranch,towards iron Mountain.

    I was going to suggest some indians in there but we should deal with facts only.

  13. #28

    Sep 2012
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    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    If you click on the picture it should give you the option to make it larger, click it 3 times, they are actually quartz veins. That section was exposed while the rest of the area was covered with what you see at the edge of the photo.
    Eric

    "Doctor say's its just a slight tick and I should stay away from dishonest people"

  14. #29
    us
    May 2010
    texas
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    Howdy RR,

    If you happen to run into an indian trying to find his bearing on a gps receiver, I don't see why that would not be a fact. Just make sure he is not Apache in the book, some would not believe it.

    Homar
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    Feb 2004
    Mesa Arizona
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    I've watched several relatives die from lung issues. They don't talk on their death bed. Why do you think a drywasher was needed? Because that is the tool needed to recover gold in a area the Dutchman was working. Wonder if the old man picked up a case of Valley Fever drywashing Many do.
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