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    Quote Originally Posted by wrmickel1 View Post
    Mike

    Most of what you just posted has never been vindicated, Info stored in the Holmes Manuscript which Dick never wrote and Bronwie claimed he never did in his lifetime. The Dutchman's ledgen in the beginning claimed the gold was in Rose
    Quarts, It changed in the late 60's early 70's. I bet you check and that match box was never showed to anyone till that time frame, Other wise it never existed in the Ledgen. It was placed there. Like I said I've held 3 other Match Cases from that Company, None were made from a single piece. They were made with inlays and the box was made of several pieces, seems soldered and buffed out. Ill guarantee that 100 percent.

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    Mick,

    There is no doubt that Dick Holmes sold 40 pounds of rich ore to Joseph Porterie. Julia Thomas stated that Holmes stole the ore from under Waltz' Bed. Thomas saw the ore prior to Waltz' death. The only question is where did Waltz get the ore that was under his bed?

    There are several statements attributed to Waltz that noone knows if they are true or not. Rose Quartz, Rose and White Quartz, another vein about 9 inches wide of dark gray mineral (hematite?) with gold the size of wheat kernels that can be picked out with a knife, when you crawl into the mine look up and to the right to see the veins (not a funnel).

    The "Pit Mine" (Silver Chief) is not the LDM, rich as it was.

    The ONLY thing anybody can say with 100% authority is that 99% of everything publicly known about the LDM is BS. HAHAHA Why do you think it hasn't been found yet? I have always said that no Dutch Hunter will likely ever find it. Some Birkenstock wearing, Patchouli stinking, hippie (who has never heard of the LDM) will probably be out on a nature hike, and accidentally stick his leg through the covering, and become famous! HAHAHA

    Mike
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    Regardless of where anyone stands on the LDM ledgend, it is a big relief that the tv reality show ended. IMO
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    The Apache Helicopters are from Boeing which is just on the other side of the superstitions.. they fly them all the time over that range of mountains...i see them all the time. They weren't stalking these guys. Also, did anyone else notice what looked like puddy around the cross edge? Don't knock down the wall!! It could be a Booby trap!��

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan m View Post
    Regardless of where anyone stands on the LDM ledgend, it is a big relief that the tv reality show ended. IMO
    No, Alan

    I loved that show, It was great for those who aren’t a Hardin Dutchman’s Critic, Not to say the many people that will never be Able to see the beauty of the Supers except from there Armchairs.

    Babymick1

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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    Mick,

    There is no doubt that Dick Holmes sold 40 pounds of rich ore to Joseph Porterie. Julia Thomas stated that Holmes stole the ore from under Waltz' Bed. Thomas saw the ore prior to Waltz' death. The only question is where did Waltz get the ore that was under his bed?

    There are several statements attributed to Waltz that noone knows if they are true or not. Rose Quartz, Rose and White Quartz, another vein about 9 inches wide of dark gray mineral (hematite?) with gold the size of wheat kernels that can be picked out with a knife, when you crawl into the mine look up and to the right to see the veins (not a funnel).

    The "Pit Mine" (Silver Chief) is not the LDM, rich as it was.

    The ONLY thing anybody can say with 100% authority is that 99% of everything publicly known about the LDM is BS. HAHAHA Why do you think it hasn't been found yet? I have always said that no Dutch Hunter will likely ever find it. Some Birkenstock wearing, Patchouli stinking, hippie (who has never heard of the LDM) will probably be out on a nature hike, and accidentally stick his leg through the covering, and become famous! HAHAHA

    Mike
    I can Agree Mike, There was a hiest. But I’ll not agree on White, The white Quarts and Gold comes into the Ledgen around the seventy’s Thats when the aledged and known comes into main stream ledgen. Kindda a high grading of the Ledgen

    Babymick1

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrmickel1 View Post
    I can Agree Mike, There was a hiest. But I’ll not agree on White, The white Quarts and Gold comes into the Ledgen around the seventy’s Thats when the aledged and known comes into main stream ledgen. Kindda a high grading of the Ledgen

    Babymick1
    you still on the rose quartz theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azdave35 View Post
    you still on the rose quartz theory?
    Well, Sure

    From the Time of Julia it was Rose, Some claim she said that. By the 70’s on to present day it changed to white authenticated Dutchman’s Ore. A Hundred Years Rose Quarts and the last fifty White. Not to mention Dutchman’s directions so bad that Julia went to the face of the main mountain and camped. Why go miles out of your way instead of follow the directions.

    Babymick1

    PS I went to Franks cave and it’s a mess

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    The View of the main Mountain where Julia camped

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    Why

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrmickel1 View Post
    Dave

    The View of the main Mountain where Julia camped

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    why did she camp at the main mountain?.....probably because she was a total greenhorn and didn't know her rump from a hole in the ground..think about it mick...back then there were no road signs...no markers..most of the places were named by individuals and only they knew the location...we now have road signs and trail markers every where...if you took your average woman and tried to give here directions to find a mine in the superstition wilderness...she probably wouldn't even be able to find the mountain..lol...think about it mick
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    Awe Dave she had 2 dudes with her and like you said they had trails to follow and none more prominent then the military trail. One they followed till a point they were to leave the trail. They headed east from the trail not North. No we’re near the bulldog.

    Wrmickel1

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    Julia and partners , reached at some point in their research , the Bull Pass trail . Maybe they were lured by the Palomino mountain which its name is similar to a clue Waltz gave to Julia .
    There in the Superstitions , are many places which have included a " horse " word .The irony is how the real deal hasn't a " horse " name attached to it on a topo map , but only is depicted and named in the stone map .
    Marius

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    Quote Originally Posted by azdave35 View Post
    why did she camp at the main mountain?.....probably because she was a total greenhorn and didn't know her rump from a hole in the ground..think about it mick...back then there were no road signs...no markers..most of the places were named by individuals and only they knew the location...we now have road signs and trail markers every where...if you took your average woman and tried to give here directions to find a mine in the superstition wilderness...she probably wouldn't even be able to find the mountain..lol...think about it mick
    Hi Dave,

    Hope all is well with you and your family,

    On her first trip into the range, there was only Julia and Rhiney. Perhaps they were following the directions given to Bicknell, in which case they were doing fairly well. After all, those directions likely came from Julia or Rhiney.......or both. Why did, eventually, Brownie start his most thorough search from the main mountain? Why did Ruth begin his search from the area just below the main mountain? Why do the Stone Maps go right through that area? Why is Harry's cave of gold bars in that area?


    Take care,

    Joe
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusjumper View Post
    Hi Dave,

    Hope all is well with you and your family,

    On her first trip into the range, there was only Julia and Rhiney. Perhaps they were following the directions given to Bicknell, in which case they were doing fairly well. After all, those directions likely came from Julia or Rhiney.......or both. Why did, eventually, Brownie start his most thorough search from the main mountain? Why did Ruth begin his search from the area just below the main mountain? Why do the Stone Maps go right through that area? Why is Harry's cave of gold bars in that area?


    Take care,

    Joe
    It does seam to be a main start point, For the Old Timers I would say. But the new wave sure like to spread the Bulldog Do-do

    Wrmickel1

 

 
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