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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    Jim,

    The Yavapai ARE Apache. I go in every res housing almost every day. They are called "The Yavapai Apache Nation". I'll drop a pic today.

    Mike
    Hi Mike,

    Thanks...I'm aware of the POLITICAL issues surrounding the reservation being named "Yavapai-Apache" in the 1900's...and as Joe pointed out, they've intermarried to a large degree and are basically joined at the hip today...however, in Waltz's day, they were allies and neighbors, but they were of different genetic stock (the "PAI" peoples were there for a long time before the Athapascans were), they had different home ranges, they spoke different languages, and were in fact different people from different places. Americans started calling them Apaches back in the day, because they didn't know any better.

    Yes, I'm aware that Montezuma's headstone says he was an Apache, etc. etc...that is an Anglo construct that they just learned to accept, just like some learned to accept the name "Apache" when their name was actually phonetically spoken as "N'Deh"...but, the Yavapai that roamed the Supes, attacked the miners in the Bradshaws, etc., never considered themselves Apache, but put up with it after they were few in number and had no input as to what white folks and their government called them...What are/were called Yavapai-Apache and Apache-Mohave are actually different people, who were not Apaches...take care, Jim
    Last edited by PotBelly Jim; Jan 02, 2019 at 09:22 AM.

  2. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobodie View Post
    Too late, I've already found it.
    Nobodie,
    I'm beginning to suspect that maybe you have actually been to the rivene or at least seen it, but the real hunt was supposed to be the next trip. I'm in that boat with a bad crumbling back that has me a bit concerned about my real hunt. It was supposed to be only a year or so after I got home from my last trip in 08.
    So anyway, have you been able to go on the real hunt?
    Thanks,
    Idaho Dutch
    Last edited by Idahodutch; Sep 28, 2019 at 10:20 PM. Reason: Forgot sign it

  3. #48
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    With a certain map, I had started to look for the caches. I too have back problems, fell down a steep slope. Haven't been out there in 2 years. My back starting to feel better, maybe I can go out next year. Have to test my stamina first.
    CHERISH EVERYTHING IN LIFE, IT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE.

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    When you find the hole this came out of.

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    Idahodutch,
    I'm curious,what makes you think that I've been there?
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  6. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobodie View Post
    With a certain map, I had started to look for the caches. I too have back problems, fell down a steep slope. Haven't been out there in 2 years. My back starting to feel better, maybe I can go out next year. Have to test my stamina first.
    I haven't made it back in since 2008. That trip was to go to the canyon floor below the ravine and get material samples. Got results the day before I had to leave to go back home. I think you and I are looking at the same spot.

  7. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobodie View Post
    Idahodutch,
    I'm curious,what makes you think that I've been there?
    I read through your past posts, and it just makes sense.
    Idaho Dutch

  8. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by azdave35 View Post
    no miner will ever find my mine
    it wont lead you to the ldm but its one of the few clues you can take as truth
    Maybe Waltz meant a miner, thinkng like a miner would logically think, would look where a mine should be and be off base.
    You may forget but let me tell you this: someone in some future time will think of us-Sappho

  9. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobodie View Post
    With a certain map, I had started to look for the caches. I too have back problems, fell down a steep slope. Haven't been out there in 2 years. My back starting to feel better, maybe I can go out next year. Have to test my stamina first.
    Nobodie,
    Do you suppose that the coordinates were somehow decoded or simply taken to g.e. Targets.
    I've been trying to plot them out. You know there is something near the East ridge that is not visible on g.e.
    I don't think jw put there though, why would he. Do know what I'm referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillbilly Prince View Post
    Maybe Waltz meant a miner, thinkng like a miner would logically think, would look where a mine should be and be off base.
    you will get lost trying to follow all these clues on the internet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idahodutch View Post
    Nobodie,
    Do you suppose that the coordinates were somehow decoded or simply taken to g.e. Targets.
    I've been trying to plot them out. You know there is something near the East ridge that is not visible on g.e.
    I don't think jw put there though, why would he. Do know what I'm referring to?
    I checked g.e all the way back and couldn't see it, but it's there and has been for 40 years at least.
    I did a close up visual inspection but did not disturb it. Whoever put it there did a nice job.
    Btw the samples I collected. . . I didn't want to go back home, I would have gone back in except there are no guarantees of finding it still intact, and taking care of my family and a steady paycheck comes first.
    Now family is grown and have 4 grandchildren + a lousy back. Isn't that life?
    Idaho Dutch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillbilly Prince View Post
    Maybe Waltz meant a miner, thinkng like a miner would logically think, would look where a mine should be and be off base.
    Its also possible that while it sounded like Waltz said "miner", he meant "minor" in that "No child will ever find my mine." It could mean that his mine was out of reach for a child!

    Mike
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    Because I'm paranoid I can't say if it's the same place. I will say one last thing about it and no more. The man in the bush is near the eye of the needle. One of caches is somewhere near by. Enough said .
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  14. #59
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    I thought searching for the LDM was illegal due to the land being federally owned and a military bomb range or such?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobodie View Post
    Because I'm paranoid I can't say if it's the same place. I will say one last thing about it and no more. The man in the bush is near the eye of the needle. One of caches is somewhere near by. Enough said .
    Nobodie,
    Have you tried or thought about using horses? I'm thinking of checking out a short trail ride or two to see how things hold up. One of my sons that went with me on the last trip is chomping at the bit so, it's definitely got me to pondering things. I've a friend that's good with horses. If I was able to ride, maybe he would be interested in going.
    We'll see I guess.
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