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    i wouldn't waste my time on any of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by deducer View Post
    It's not just treasure hunting shows that are fiction, nearly all reality shows are, from Fixer-upper, Storage Wars, Apprentice, Mountain Men, Hunting Hitler, American Choppers, Fixer-upper, to Pawn Stars.

    It's very rare that a reality show is completely unscripted and authentic- but they are out there: Deadliest catch, Ice Road Truckers, or COPS.
    Maybe I am getting too old and worn out. I do not know what to believe anymore? CEO's companies, banks and politicians dribble so much verbal diarrhea that its hard to know what to believe. Now documentary makers and journalists once the bastion of searching for the facts have become cheap hustlers of doco fiction. Its hard to believe anyone anymore even if they tell the truth. Even if they are telling the truth we all assume their lying anyway because we have become so used to them lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow View Post
    Maybe I am getting too old and worn out. I do not know what to believe anymore? CEO's companies, banks and politicians dribble so much verbal diarrhea that its hard to know what to believe. Now documentary makers and journalists once the bastion of searching for the facts have become cheap hustlers of doco fiction. Its hard to believe anyone anymore even if they tell the truth. Even if they are telling the truth we all assume their lying anyway because we have become so used to them lying.

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    generally you can tell when they are lying...their lips are moving

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    Couldn't say it any better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow View Post
    Maybe I am getting too old and worn out. I do not know what to believe anymore? CEO's companies, banks and politicians dribble so much verbal diarrhea that its hard to know what to believe. Now documentary makers and journalists once the bastion of searching for the facts have become cheap hustlers of doco fiction. Its hard to believe anyone anymore even if they tell the truth. Even if they are telling the truth we all assume their lying anyway because we have become so used to them lying.

    Crow
    About forty years ago, an acquaintance sent me a copy of his self-published book entitled, "Everything You Believe Is A Lie". It had to do with the gullibility and vulnerability of humans and how easily we can be manipulated by and for the benefit of others. The book also focussed on the "bedrock narrative" that is the basis of our lives - educational agendas, government propaganda, false science, religion, manipulated history, and such. All crowd control tools - the belief systems that define our sleepwalking lives. The book was very well presented and well-written food for thought, but at the time I thought he had gone too far with his idea and I eventually sold it at a yard sale. As life went on and I experienced more and more red pills, I gradually began to admit that maybe the guy's premise was not so crazy after all. I'd like to read his book again, but it's no longer available anywhere. However, his idea remains food for thought.
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    Hi,

    Sorry that it has taken a while to post again. When I started this thread, we were in the initial development stage. Now there is a more defined idea of what the production team is looking for and the desired locations. We are looking for treasure stories in the US side of the Gulf of Mexico, Florida Keys, US east coast from Florida to Virginia. It could be land or water and the story should have the following:

    1. Some type of evidence that proves the story is true
    2. Some type of evidence that can lead to finding the treasure.


    Sorry to hear that many are so disappointed. All I can say I that we are looking for real stories to make good TV.

    Thanks,

    Stay safe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chagy View Post
    Hi,

    Sorry that it has taken a while to post again. When I started this thread, we were in the initial development stage. Now there is a more defined idea of what the production team is looking for and the desired locations. We are looking for treasure stories in the US side of the Gulf of Mexico, Florida Keys, US east coast from Florida to Virginia. It could be land or water and the story should have the following:

    1. Some type of evidence that proves the story is true
    2. Some type of evidence that can lead to finding the treasure.


    Sorry to hear that many are so disappointed. All I can say I that we are looking for real stories to make good TV.

    Thanks,

    Stay safe!

    Chagy…
    you are looking for real stories?...what for? you will just fill them so full of embellishments and drama that they do not even resemble the original story...why don't you just eliminate the middle man and just make up a bunch of drama and show it...that's where its going to end up anyway....Arthur asked you to post a link to your imdb page...what happened to that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by azdave35 View Post
    you are looking for real stories?...what for? you will just fill them so full of embellishments and drama that they do not even resemble the original story...why don't you just eliminate the middle man and just make up a bunch of drama and show it...that's where its going to end up anyway....Arthur asked you to post a link to your imdb page...what happened to that?
    Because the most believable stories always start with a thread of truth. After that, throw in some free masons, some knights templar, some vague "clues", a few interviews with historians and twist the heck out of it so you can't tell truth from fiction anymore and you've got yourself one heck of show! The thing all these shows have in common, they never have and never will find any real treasure. Closest we get is some ruins or caves that they want you to think have been never discovered, but in point of fact, every local has known and explored them for generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoDeep View Post
    Because the most believable stories always start with a thread of truth. After that, throw in some free masons, some knights templar, some vague "clues", a few interviews with historians and twist the heck out of it so you can't tell truth from fiction anymore and you've got yourself one heck of show! The thing all these shows have in common, they never have and never will find any real treasure. Closest we get is some ruins or caves that they want you to think have been never discovered, but in point of fact, every local has known and explored them for generations.
    That's actually what happened with "Legends of Superstition Mountains" where they tried to pass off the bat cave as something that had never been found or explored before, and in their last episode, made it look like there was a Jesuit cross embedded in the rock there (that was a separate prop scene shot on a makeshift set).

    In reality, the bat cave has been explored many times- IIRC, last time by Bill Burger from the AZGFD who climbed up there every year to count the bat population. Sadly, he recorded that it had gone from 40,000 to just 4,000 in just 10 years. The FS removed the bottom of the ladder to discourage people from climbing up there to disturb the bats. Someone from Washington made a technical climb up there in 2011 and reported being nearly overwhelmed by the smell of ammonia and said the guano in there was unbearable, very gooey and moist.

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    Well, that was disappointing.

    But you'd think developmental producers would at least check first whether their idea for a show hadn't already been tried before they start posting 'wanted' ads looking for content.

    There has already been a few postings from other production hopefuls doing that same show idea for the same locations.

    Here is just one I quickly found: Casting for a New TV Show

    The postings even make the same type of claims that their show has been approved or financed or greenlit or whatever but then you don't hear of it again as the show never gets made.

    I reckon it's because after they do some more developmental work and go back to the commissioning channel with a "more defined idea" they then get told their show isn't as novel as they think it is as the same thing has already been pitched by five others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azdave35 View Post
    i wouldn't waste my time on any of them
    Not even for a $100k payday, to go out and play on camera for a few weeks on their dime Dave? Hell I would, and make it interesting too even if it is scripted! The only way to lose in such a proposition is to go in with high hopes/expectations, just remember it is for Hollywood and the general public consumption, and who knows one might 'get lucky' on camera - without even being in a porno flick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oroblanco View Post
    Not even for a $100k payday, to go out and play on camera for a few weeks on their dime Dave? Hell I would, and make it interesting too even if it is scripted! The only way to lose in such a proposition is to go in with high hopes/expectations, just remember it is for Hollywood and the general public consumption, and who knows one might 'get lucky' on camera - without even being in a porno flick!

    Roy, I don't think that most people like being made a fool of.

    Remember that the producers of those reality shows are always looking to incite drama or show to continually provoke the dopamine release in the brains of the viewers that then makes them continually tune in. There's been a lot of research done that illustrates how manipulation of your dopamine level creates a lot of mini-addictions. Addictions that are barely noticable, but just enough to manipulate how you live.

    In doing so, they won't hesitate to throw you under the bus and make you seem a lot more full of drama, unhinged, or undisciplined than you really are. Just ask Wayne Tuttle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oroblanco View Post
    Not even for a $100k payday, to go out and play on camera for a few weeks on their dime Dave? Hell I would, and make it interesting too even if it is scripted! The only way to lose in such a proposition is to go in with high hopes/expectations, just remember it is for Hollywood and the general public consumption, and who knows one might 'get lucky' on camera - without even being in a porno flick!

    Roy,

    $100,000? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Here is part of my "Initial Talent Agreement" with GoGoLuckey:
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    Dead Man's Gold was the working title for Legends......

    NONE of these reality shows get sold to major networks. They are all sold to secondary networks. They never get picked up by majors until they show huge popularity and then get picked up. My talent agreement with History Channel was a little different. The pay they quoted was $2000 per episode and a $4000 bonus after appearing in four episodes. You don't see a $100K payday until your show is a proven success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    Roy,

    $100,000? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Here is part of my "Initial Talent Agreement" with GoGoLuckey:
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    Dead Man's Gold was the working title for Legends......

    NONE of these reality shows get sold to major networks. They are all sold to secondary networks. They never get picked up by majors until they show huge popularity and then get picked up. My talent agreement with History Channel was a little different. The pay they quoted was $2000 per episode and a $4000 bonus after appearing in four episodes. You don't see a $100K payday until your show is a proven success.

    Mike
    if i remember right the guys from legends didn't even get paid

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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    Roy,

    $100,000? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Here is part of my "Initial Talent Agreement" with GoGoLuckey:
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Name:	deadmansgold.JPG 
Views:	74 
Size:	90.8 KB 
ID:	1832708
    Dead Man's Gold was the working title for Legends......

    NONE of these reality shows get sold to major networks. They are all sold to secondary networks. They never get picked up by majors until they show huge popularity and then get picked up. My talent agreement with History Channel was a little different. The pay they quoted was $2000 per episode and a $4000 bonus after appearing in four episodes. You don't see a $100K payday until your show is a proven success.

    Mike
    So what happened? How come you didn't end up on the show?

 

 
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