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    Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    Hello All ye Swifthunters, 10/27/2011

    Here are some freehand sketches of very old carvings/petroglyphs I am familiar with and have documented over the years, some of ya'll may be familiar with a few of them as well. All of these carvings are located in and around the Red River Gorge area, there are many more not listed here. In my opinion they are associated with Johnathan Swift's "Upper Silver Mines" and the Great Cave of the Shawnee. Some of the carvings are Native American in origin/design, others are of European origin/design, some are much older than others".
    Pre-historic Native Americans of the Red River Gorge area who lived in the area used the sandstone cliff rockhouses for shelter during the cold winters. They left many symbols/carvings to designate important places, such as, burial sites, sacred/religious sites, resources/mineral sites, etc. Just as we today use certain symbols to desinate our cemetaries,(++) banks($$), churches, resources, etc.
    On the most part but not always, it is not hard to distinguish the Native American carvings from the European cavings. The Native American carvings mostly depict things in nature that were most familiar to them, many animals, mammals, reptiles, birds were associated with life, death, fertility, good fortune, etc., such as, an owl would signify death. So if one were to see an owl carving, it would probably be signifying a place of burial.
    Europeans would depict carvings such as, guns, anchors, letters, numbers, and many differint linear design symbols, etc. Things that were familiar to them in the civilized world at that time but no so familiar with the Native Americans. Obviously both Europeans and Native Americans were familiar with human body parts and animal body parts, such as, hands, feet, arms, heads, skulls, etc. these types of carvings would be common to both races; as well as, universal symbols, of circles, triangles, swasticas, rectangles, etc., but had differint meanings to each race.
    One thing I know for sure is that when I compare the earlier/older carvings of the Native Americans in the Red River Gorge area with the much later carvings of the newly arriving Europeans coming into the area, I find that both sets of carvings are signyfying something of great interest/importance. What were the Europeans interested in mostly, precious metals/resources, the carvings not only signify a hidden resource but a hidden sacred/religious site as well.
    This gives creedence that when the White European race came into Red River area they were very interested in something very important. These carvings are not just random doodleing left by individuals over time, they were left and executed in their perspective locations for a very important reason.
    After many, many years of diligent fieldwork, historical research, location, frequency, age, routes of travel etc. I have deciphered their significance and they have led me to the area they signify. This is almost evidence in itself, "without having anything tangible, relic/gold/silver to show".
    I have attached the carvings above, if you know of any more carvings within the Red River Gorge area please feel free to post them in this thread. I would be very much interested in seeing them too as well. If you have any questions about one of the carvings or infomation on any of their individual meanings feel free to comment on it, or email me about it and I will try to respond.

    Sincerely,

    Bill N. -aka- "The Swizard"

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    Swiz

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area (Carvings)

    Here are the carvings
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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    Well done! CARRY ON! Coffee?

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    The Red River Gorge is pretty close to me, I don't know why I've never gone there as much as I like to hike and camp. I've wanted to go for some time and all of the pictures and videos I've seen make me want to go even more. Maybe I'll head over that way soon if I get some time off from work. This is all very interesting! Those two dates in your carvings certainly bring up some questions! Very good work! Thanks for sharing them.

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    I have found a similiar carving of an anchor and a couple others that resemble a few of your depictions - really close to where I live. I've tried and tried to post pics of these on here but to no avail, any help on this would be awesome (how to post pics on T-Net, what format? (etc.).. I was able to post them on Facebook in the Swift Silver Mine Group if anyone would like to check them out - very puzzling considering the location of the Rockhouse where I found them. Did your friend have any luck with the locations you dowsed for him, regarding Shawnee Cave?? Keep up the good work Swiz and keep it coming..

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    Good job, Bill!
    Very interesting. I'd love to go look for some of them.
    Thank you very much for sharing!

    --Chris

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    Can't enlarge your drawings... BUT! I "see" a turtle, "3's" (mountain ridges,"102"... 1+0+2=3, etc.), level is "MASONIC", "JS" & "JOS" COULD be Jonathan Swift, "1717" COULD be in a tunnel... can you "scan" it larger? Coffee?

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    Swiz

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area (Carvings)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Swizard
    Here are the carvings

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    Hey Swiz,

    Just read this post, on your list of carvings there is a set of ^^^ any idea of what that was for? I have located something a lot like that as has Ki. Mine also has like a map showing the slash marks like steps going between a set of the mountains? to a place that has a large hole(cave?). I have a pic that is 30 years old - good thing as the rock is getting illegible. Let us know what you think it means.
    Yea, though I walk through the Valley of Death I will fear no evil for thou art with me.

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    Swiz

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    Bill N. -aka- (The Swizard on T-net)
    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis
    Hey Swiz,

    Just read this post, on your list of carvings there is a set of ^^^ any idea of what that was for? I have located something a lot like that as has Ki. Mine also has like a map showing the slash marks like steps going between a set of the mountains? to a place that has a large hole(cave?). I have a pic that is 30 years old - good thing as the rock is getting illegible. Let us know what you think it means.
    Hello Curtis, I think I know what it means!!!...The symbol/carving, ^ ^^, pertains to Johnathan Swift's (Upper Mines or "The GCS"), in my opinion. After diligent study of the topographical features in many areas of the Red River Gorge, I have located an area that this particular carving/symbol may designate, I also think The 102...^ carving is the same place that this carving is specifying. I have done extensive study and fieldwork of RRG topography, in an attemp to decipher the meaning of the many symbols/carvings in th RRG area.
    I believe many of the carvings are geographical/topographical, "small geomaps", depicting an area of impotance, .i.e.(SWIFTS MINES and GCS). I have been studying the carvings and topography of the RRG since 1975. I believe the Swift Mines and legend of the GCS are true historical fact", and the many carvings in the area are giving us a hint as to where it is located, if you can figure them out. I have a spot but I can't reveal the location at this time cause I am still investigating.
    If I do find something I must obtain legal permission and some assurances on rights of discovery from the official intities to investigate/metal detect, etc., I would definitely show what I know, but not till you get permission etc..
    Finding something on Federal Forest Land you will need a good plan and permission to investigate. I had discussed this with Mike Steely once before...at one of the Johnathan Swift T-net Camp-outs, and a few others in this forum, but noone has any "solid plan" in place. "Any ideas are welcome... but everybody I have talked too... has no plan of attack.
    A person would need to contact certain people/connections, etc.? with the state, federal, and /or private landowners, etc. Also there are many archaeolgical laws, and criteria to be met to obtain legal permission to investigate/document, escavate, etc. Its a big ordeal.
    One of the reasons I requested T-net to create this forum in (2007), was because I totally believed in the probable authenticity of this legend. So my idea was to ask T-net to create this forum so that we Swift Hunters had a medium/tool for our use. A way or medium for us to use..." to publicize" our discovery...if anything was ever found.
    I hope one day that happens for us and T-net.

    Sincerely,

    Bill N. - aka- (The Swizard on T-net)
    Last edited by Swifty; Mar 28, 2012 at 12:39 AM.

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    Hi Swiz,

    I posted the pics of the carving on the thread "Great Cave of the Shawnee". If this is the same type of carving it maybe something of Swifts because a friend found a carving DAS 1763 on a rock in this area back in the 1970s he says Swit's wife's name is Desiree Ann Swift and was suppose to have accompanied them on one of the trips.I always was skeptical-who would risk their wife's life in that wild country? I did think he may have had a lonely moment and done it himself while emotional. Anyway lets just say the carving is on a flat rock near Ghram KY. If this fits your discoveries and you want to see it I'll take you there..have more pics of it also if you would like to see em. I was always tryint to figure out what the carvings of the guy with a bow or Pick is for...looks like a guy swinging a miner's pick or something. Do you think its a Swift carving? I remember Ki found one with the ^^^ a while back and he seems to be onto something too. As far as the procedures of what to do once you found the real mine, I say we get several people together, make a really nice document of all the supporting info, and approach the state people in charge of historical preservation..unless you can get the supposed bullion out first.
    Yea, though I walk through the Valley of Death I will fear no evil for thou art with me.

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    Swiz

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    Hello Curtis,
    I would gladly join any effort you want to pursue... to support an historical investigation. If you/we can find the proper contacts and produce a document to support our evidence, "archaeological criteria", etc. We may be able to get such a plan up and going, with a little luck.
    We need some kind of legal/avenue or contract... from official authorities, so that we can investigate with the protection of law enforcement and also have the area secured, etc. Also a list of some garrantees put in place to secure discovery rights for the discovers. Without these legal steps, it is useless! I never could get anything going on it. I'll be glad to join you in this effort.
    Anything we do outside of this criteria is criminal.

    As for the DAS 1763 carving in Graham Ky., (the date would indicate an early expedition to the mine area), I have not seen it before, but the number 1763 and 1717t and 1715 SPY all have some similarities and fit my research area. DAS ties it to Swift I believe! The little guy swinging some sort of pic, etc., I'm sure it is another topographical representation again indicating a mine area, left on the trail to the mines, either in coming or going from the area or a set of mines/mine somewhere. The ^ ^^ carving and the pics of the other two carvings you posted... I would say do definitely fit into my research area! Email me Curtis if you have any starting point or plan of action to pursue! I'm all for it!!!

    Sincerely,

    Bill N. -aka - (The Swizard on T-net)

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    Swiz

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    Can anyone hear me!!!!

    The Swiz

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    Are any of the Swift carvings on trees or all on rocks?

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    Re: Carvings of the Red River Gorge Area

    Swiz,

    I would just like to say that I am totally in agreement with your suggestions on a "plan of attack" and am willing to donate some time and effort into possibly contacting a "good" source of mine to help along the way (when it comes to someone to represent our case to the proper officials/authorities). I have been in much contact with Curtis here lately and feel that we are on the same page with a lot of the same interests/ideas.. I have much respect for your years of devotion to "Swift" and have to agree that I believe most of it to be factual - 100%.. I may not have been around as long as most of the guys on this forum but I do share the same passion for research and historical preservation that some of you may have, and I am willing to work hard to preserve it for future generations. Without people like Swiz, Curtis, Ki and many many others on here I feel that much of this unique "history" is fading away fast and one day will cease to exist - if nothing is done about it now. This is why I feel like we are on the same page and am willing to do my part in this chapter of Kentucky History.. Please keep me in mind fellers..


    Casey..

 

 
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