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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    From Alexandria, Va. and going WEST, you would link with the GREAT WAGON ROAD (aka Indian Warriors Path) which is Rt. 11 in the Shenandoah Valley, TODAY. To get to Pound, Va. of the South West Virginia into Kentucky, "Wilderness Road" was used to get into Kentucky. MORE on these "old" Roads can be found by "googling" BUFFALO TRACE, listed by states.
    The Moccasin Gap and the Pound Gap and several others were used by travelers long before the Cumberland Gap or the "Wilderness Road" cut by the Bryon Family and Daniel Boone. The Great Wagon Road from Pennsylvania to Old Salem, N.C. was cut by Rebecca Bryon's Family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KY Hiker View Post
    These rivers are mentioned in Swift Journals, the problem is the traces all run along the rivers...no mention of a trace heading West as described in some journals. I guess the only way to approximate their route would be to look for fords along these rivers and gaps they would have used. Drawing a basic straight line from Alexandria to Louisa and another from Alexandria to Pound and see which one is more likely...
    The travel back in them days was a lot different to what it is today. they traveled along water ways just like the buffalo and wild game did because the paths was already cleared by the wild game. The wild game traveled the water way because of abundant food the river valleys offered and the water near by. Or they traveled ridges near by because it was high and much dryer through the rainy seasons. Just as I've posted before. This in turn would have an effect on the number of days traveled.
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    The straight line from Alexandria wont be correct, because the exploration trip they first made they went by way of Ft. Pitt... And they returned by way of Ft. Pitt on other occasions.
    Last edited by Ken S.; Feb 11, 2019 at 08:27 AM.
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    HOW did they get to Ft. Pitt...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    HOW did they get to Ft. Pitt...?
    Follow the route General George Washington used when he built Fort Necessity. The same route General Braddock used in his defeat at Ft. Duquesne as it was called before Fort Pitt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    HOW did they get to Ft. Pitt...?
    Over the river and through the woods just like to granma's house. lol
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    Was BIG BAD WOLF there, too...?
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    Just couldn't help myself !! The wolf wasn't there, BUT the horse knew the way !! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    From Alexandria, Va. and going WEST, you would link with the GREAT WAGON ROAD (aka Indian Warriors Path) which is Rt. 11 in the Shenandoah Valley, TODAY. To get to Pound, Va. of the South West Virginia into Kentucky, "Wilderness Road" was used to get into Kentucky. MORE on these "old" Roads can be found by "googling" BUFFALO TRACE, listed by states.
    I googled 'Buffalo Trace' all I got were Bourbon links
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    The Moccasin Gap and the Pound Gap and several others were used by travelers long before the Cumberland Gap or the "Wilderness Road" cut by the Bryon Family and Daniel Boone. The Great Wagon Road from Pennsylvania to Old Salem, N.C. was cut by Rebecca Bryon's Family.
    Again, I'm looking for traces and gaps that would run West from Alexandria, VA (Washington,DC) probably through Manassas Gap then Westward in the general direction of either Louisa, KY or Pound, VA because some versions of the journal read 'at the forks of the Sandy' and others read 'at the headwaters of the Sandy' . Either way, also locating old fords (not rusty trucks) along the rivers mentioned in the journals would help define their route(s). I would guess through much of VA. the route was near or around US60 and or I-64 only because that would be the most direct pathway and would get them the furthest West in the time frame mentioned in Swift journals. I will say, if it was 'the headwaters of the Sandy' and not the forks, the Longridge/great ridge mentioned would make more sense as Pine Mt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    HOW did they get to Ft. Pitt...?
    Yes, Braddock's Road was cut to Ft. Pitt. from Alexandria. The problem I have with that route is all the mouths of creeks and rivers they would have to ford moving along the South bank of the Ohio River. The North bank had an Indian trace along it according to Indian trace maps of Ohio.
    Harrod and his group came to KY via Ft. Pitt, they used raft like barges and used the natural flow of the Ohio River to take them along the same route but further down to the mouth of the KY river. They then took the KY upstream to a Buffalo trace/fording point near where Frankfort is and followed that trace to where they founded Ft. Harrod (Harrodsburg, KY). Swift does not mention boats/rafts/canoes at all, but the route taken by him is the same to the Sandy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KY Hiker View Post
    I googled 'Buffalo Trace' all I got were Bourbon links
    The Indian and Buffalo Traces are on the Jefferson and Fry Map as well as the Filson Map.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KY Hiker View Post
    Yes, Braddock's Road was cut to Ft. Pitt. from Alexandria. The problem I have with that route is all the mouths of creeks and rivers they would have to ford moving along the South bank of the Ohio River. The North bank had an Indian trace along it according to Indian trace maps of Ohio.
    Harrod and his group came to KY via Ft. Pitt, they used raft like barges and used the natural flow of the Ohio River to take them along the same route but further down to the mouth of the KY river. They then took the KY upstream to a Buffalo trace/fording point near where Frankfort is and followed that trace to where they founded Ft. Harrod (Harrodsburg, KY). Swift does not mention boats/rafts/canoes at all, but the route taken by him is the same to the Sandy...
    If they left Ft. Pitt and went to the head waters of the Monongohila then headed west toward the Ky. Land, they could have crossed the other rivers most any where with little effort. Not sure just where the head waters are but pretty certain they lay south west of Ft Pitt. in the central part of present day W.Va. Many of the rivers in the interior of W.Va. are great wade fishing rivers not more than knee deep Crystal clear, swift and cold even in July and August.
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    Here is a section of an article I was reading today. Remember this was several years before Boone blazed the trail through Cumberland gap.
    The first migrants to cross the Appalachians soon discovered that the mountains were not the only obstacles to westward settlement. Other factors were the Native-American inhabitants and the ongoing dispute between the British and French governments as to who controlled this area. As such, the migrations of British colonists beyond the mountains was a principal cause of the French and Indian War (1754-1761).
    After the war, migrants crossed the mountains in increasing numbers despite the British government's 1763 proclamation prohibiting settlement beyond the Appalachians. The British knew if the colonials continued their unrestrained encroachment upon Indian territory another Indian war would ensue, a situation they hoped to avoid. However, neither government prohibitions nor army blockades could stop the deluge of settlers that poured west after 1765. Separated by mountain ranges and hundreds of miles from the center of political authority in the East, migrants such as Daniel Boone, and John Sevier followed their own designs and ignored government policies that they deemed to be inconsistent with their interests. Other routes through the Appalachians were also discovered during this time, including the Cumberland Gap, which afforded migrants access to eastern Kentucky and Tennessee.

    The 1763 proclamation didn't amount to nothing according to this article. People went exploring and looking for a new place to settle any how.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    The Indian and Buffalo Traces are on the Jefferson and Fry Map as well as the Filson Map.
    https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org...002619mets.xml

    http://www.kyhistory.com/cdm/ref/collection/PH/id/660

    The major buffalo trace that basically made a loop of sorts through the bluegrass region and the warrior's path (north-south) were all I remember from those maps. Nothing in E.KY that crossed the creeks mentioned in VA. If they had to blaze a trail they would not have made the distance in the time mentioned of about 4 weeks. So looking for fords along the rivers getting to the Sandy is next...
    Last edited by KY Hiker; Feb 11, 2019 at 07:42 PM. Reason: links added
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