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    STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    I had at one time on Google Earth all the butterfield and overland stagecoach routes and stations. My computer crashed a while back and I lost everything. I do not know where I had downloaded those stage stations and routes from to post it on Google Earth.

    Any help
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    Re: STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    not sure if this is what your looking for,the site has google map links to the state routes, and lists the stations,in each state
    sorry forgot who, just posted a free san map link too, in maps, good for a week or so

    MISSOURI STATIONS
    Google map with the Missouri portion of the Butterfield Trail and related waymarks

    http://knol.google.com/k/butterfield...rland-mail-co#

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    That would be it thanks!!!
    If I was President; I would take away welfare! I wouldn't make any bargains with foreign countries! I wouldn't take #@*& from any country! I would close the borders! I would get rid of taxes! I would make EVERYONE own at least 5 guns! I would ENFORCE Finders Keepers Law !!!!!!!!

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    Re: STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    Here is the Colorado Stage Routes map from:

    Historical Atlas of Colorado
    By Thomas J. Noel, Paul F. Mahoney, and Richard E. Stevens
    University of Oklahoma Press 1994
    ISBN 0-8061-2555-1

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    Re: STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    Thanks Buffalobob. I have given up on getting anything that detailed. Any arizona, new mexico, or texas maps in that collection of yours?

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    Re: STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    Quote Originally Posted by Casca
    Thanks Buffalobob. I have given up on getting anything that detailed. Any arizona, new mexico, or texas maps in that collection of yours?
    Don't know off hand. But I will look through my collection of maps and routes and let you know. Most likely just schedules and timetables but maybe I can put a route on a map.

    Too many places, too little time!
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    Re: STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    Quote Originally Posted by BuffaloBob
    Quote Originally Posted by Casca
    Thanks Buffalobob. I have given up on getting anything that detailed. Any arizona, new mexico, or texas maps in that collection of yours?
    Don't know off hand. But I will look through my collection of maps and routes and let you know. Most likely just schedules and timetables but maybe I can put a route on a map. Too many places, too little time!BB
    Well I found a list of all the stops. And a site with lot's of info. Here we go:


    Divisions and Stations of the Route
    East to West
    Ninth Division — St. Louis, Mo., to Tipton
    Eighth Division — Tipton to Fort Smith, Ark., and Memphis, Tenn., to Fort Smith
    Seventh Division — Fort Smith to Colbert's Ferry, Okla.
    Sixth Division — Colbert's Ferry to Fort Chadbourne, Texas
    Fifth Division — Fort Chadbourne to Franklin (El Paso), Texas
    Fourth Division — Franklin (El Paso) to Tucson, Ariz.
    Third Division — Tucson to Fort Yuma, Calif.
    Second Division — Fort Yuma to Los Angeles, Calif.
    First Division — Los Angeles to San Fransisco, Calif.

    MISSOURI STATIONS
    Google map with the Missouri portion of the Butterfield Trail and related waymarks.
    From St. Louis to Tipton, the mail was carried by the Pacific Railroad.
    Tipton
    Schackleford's Station
    Mulholland's Station
    Burn's Station
    Warsaw
    Bailey's Station
    Quincy
    Yoast's Station
    Bolivar
    Smith's Station
    Evan's Station
    Springfield
    Ashmore's Station
    Smith's Station
    Crouch's Station
    Harbin's Station

    ARKANSAS STATIONS
    Google map with the Arkansas portion of the Butterfield Trail and related waymarks.
    Northwestern Route
    Callahan's Station (near present-day Rogers)
    Fitzgerald's Station (near present-day Springdale)
    Fayetteville
    Park's Station
    Brodie's Station (Lee Creek)
    Woolsey's Station (also called Signal Hill)
    Van Buren
    Fort Smith
    Memphis Route
    Memphis, Tenn.
    Madison, Ark.
    Des Arc
    Atlanta (present-day Austin)
    Cadron
    Plumer's Station (Plummerville)
    Lewisburg (near present-day Morrilton)
    Hurricane
    Pottsville Inn
    Norristown (Russellville)
    Dardanelle
    Stinnett's Station
    Paris
    Charleston
    Fort Smith

    OKLAHOMA STATIONS
    Google map with the Oklahoma portion of the Butterfield Trail and related waymarks.
    Watson's Station (Skullyville)
    Trahern's Station
    Holloway's Station (Brazil Station)
    Riddle's Station
    Pusley's Station
    Blackburn's Station
    Waddell's Station
    Geary's Station
    Boggy Depot
    Blue River Station
    Fisher's Station
    Colbert's Ferry

    TEXAS STATIONS
    Google map with the Texas portion of the Butterfield Trail and related waymarks.
    Preston's Station
    Sherman
    Diamond's Station
    Gainesville
    Davidson's Station
    Connolly's Station
    Earheart's Station
    Jacksboro
    Murphy's Station
    Fort Belknap
    Franz's Station
    Clear Fork Station
    Smith's Station
    Fort Phantom Hill Station
    Mountain Pass Station (Abercrombie Pass)
    Valley Creek Station
    Fort Chadbourne
    Colorado River Station
    Grape Creek Station
    Camp Johnston
    Head of Concho Station
    Llano Estacado
    Mustang Waterholes
    Initial Northern Route
    Horsehead Crossing Station
    Immigrant Crossing Station
    Pope's Crossing
    Delaware Springs Station
    Pinery
    Guadalupe Pass Station
    Crow Spring Station
    Cornudas de los Alamos
    Ojos de los Alamos
    Hueco Tanks Station
    Franklin (El Paso)
    Later Southern Route
    Horsehead Crossing Station
    Fort Stockton (Comanche Spring)
    Hackberry Hole Station
    Barrilla Spring Station
    Limpia
    Fort Davis
    Barrel Spring Station
    Deadman's Hole
    Van Horn's Wells
    Eagle Spring
    Fort Quitman
    Birchville Station
    San Elizario
    Socorro
    Ysleta
    Franklin (El Paso)

    NEW MEXICO STATIONS
    Google map with the New Mexico portion of the Butterfield Trail and related waymarks.
    Frontera (Cottonwoods Station)
    Fort Fillmore
    Mesilla
    Picacho Station
    Rough and Ready Station
    Goodsight Peak Station
    Fort Cummings
    Cooke's Spring
    Murphy's Station
    Cow Spring Station
    Soldier's Farewell
    Station near Deming
    Station near Lordsburg
    Stein's Pass Station

    ARIZONA STATIONS
    Google map with the Arizona portion of the Butterfield Trail and related waymarks.
    Fort Bowie
    Apache Pass Station
    Dragoon Spring Station
    Cienaga Station
    Willcox's Station
    Tucson
    Pointer Mountain Station
    Picacho Pass Station
    Pima Village
    Maricopa Wells
    Gila Ranch
    Murderer's Grave Station
    Oatman Flat
    Flapjack Ranch
    Griswell's Station
    Peterman's Station
    Filibuster Camp
    Swiveller's Ranch
    Arizona City
    Texas Hill Station

    CALIFORNIA STATIONS
    Google map with the California portion of the Butterfield Trail and related waymarks.
    Fort Yuma
    Pilot Knob Station
    Mountain Springs Station
    Cooke's Wells Station (present-day Mexico)
    Gardener's Wells Station (present-day Mexico)
    Alamo Mocho Station (present-day Mexico)
    Monument Station
    Indian Wells Station
    Sackett's Wells
    Carrizo Creek Station
    Palm Spring
    Vallecito Station
    Box Canyon
    Blair Valley
    San Felipe
    Warner's Ranch
    Oak Grove Station
    Aguanga Station
    Temecula Station
    Laguna Grande
    Murrieta
    Temescal Station
    Corona
    Chino Ranch
    San Jose Station (Pomona)
    El Monte Station
    Los Angeles
    Cahuenga Station
    Los Encinos
    Mission San Fernando
    Hart's Station
    King's Station
    Widow Smith's Station
    French John's Station
    Reed's Station
    Fort Tejon
    Sinks of Tejon (Alamo Station)
    Kern River Slough
    Kern River Crossing (Gordon's Ferry)
    Poso Creek Station (Posey Station)
    Mountain House Station
    Fountain Spring Station
    Tule River Station
    Lindsay
    Packwood's Station
    Visalia Station
    Cross Creek Station
    King's River Station
    Elk Horn Spring Station
    Hawthorne's Station
    Fresno City
    Firebaugh Ferry
    Temple's Station
    Lone Willow Station
    San Luis Ranch
    Pacheco Pass Station
    Soap Lake (present-day San Felipe)
    Gilroy
    Seventeen Mile House
    Hernández House
    San Jose
    Mountain View
    Redwood City
    San Mateo
    Clark's Station
    Oak Grove Station
    San Francisco
    http://knol.google.com/k/butterfield...-co#references


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    Overland mail - Central Route Wells Fargo Map...........
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    Re: STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    Thank You BuffaloBob.

    Life is too short to be serious all the time. So if you cant laugh at yourself, call me....I'll laugh at you.

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    Re: STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    You're welcome.
    BB
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    Re: STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    A friend of mine, Gerald T. Ahnert , just recently published a book on the Butterfield Trail & Overland Mail Company in Arizona 1858-1861. The book contains ninety-five maps showing the location of the 400 mile trail and twenty-six stage station sites in Arizona. Currently Mr. Anhnert is in the Klondike taking care of his mining interests there but by the end of September he usually returns home to Syracuse, N.Y.. I dont know if you could do a Google search for his address but I do know his name pops up. I have a copy of the book and I must say it is well written and , because he has actually walked the trail, the maps are spot on. If you are truely interested in this history I suggest your contacting Mr. Anhert and purchasing a copy of this book. I think the price is in the $20-$30 range..and contains 185 pages.

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    Re: STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhunter67
    A friend of mine, Gerald T. Ahnert , just recently published a book on the Butterfield Trail & Overland Mail Company in Arizona 1858-1861. The book contains ninety-five maps showing the location of the 400 mile trail and twenty-six stage station sites in Arizona. Currently Mr. Anhnert is in the Klondike taking care of his mining interests there but by the end of September he usually returns home to Syracuse, N.Y.. I dont know if you could do a Google search for his address but I do know his name pops up. I have a copy of the book and I must say it is well written and , because he has actually walked the trail, the maps are spot on. If you are truely interested in this history I suggest your contacting Mr. Anhert and purchasing a copy of this book. I think the price is in the $20-$30 range..and contains 185 pages.
    Oldhunter67, sounds like valuable info. I may get a copy just for grins. Have relatives in AZ and maybe a combined family/detecting/nugget hunting trip could work out.

    I do a lot of research with Google maps and find more interesting places to search than a guy could do in a lifetime. Arizona would be ideal. Maybe

    in winter. Last couple times there the temps were 110+ and I really couldn't enjoy any detecting. Cooler weather, maybe in the high country would be better.

    Are you familiar with the detector store in Idaho(?) that puts together guided nugget hunting trips to Arizona? That would be fun. Maybe I'll check that out again. Thanks for the book info.
    BB
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    Found the book on Amazon.
    http://www.amazon.com/Retracing-Butt.../dp/0870260308

    Product Details

    Hardcover: 112 pages
    Publisher: Westernlore Pr (June 1973)
    Language: English
    ISBN-10: 0870260308
    ISBN-13: 978-0870260308
    Product Dimensions: 10.8 x 8.7 x 0.8 inches
    Shipping Weight: 1.5 pounds
    Average Customer Review: Be the first to review this item
    Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #2,833,797 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
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    Re: STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    That was a book he wrote in 1973..The book I was referring to was just published in the Spring of 2010.
    When I last talked with him , just before he left for the Klondike , he said that when he got back he would start making the book available for all. Fortunately I purchased one of the first copies. I know he took a great deal of time matching old maps with new maps and he even gives you which part of the trail is on Federal, Private and State land. Buried within its story is a great treasure lead..I intend to discuss it with him when he returns home..I have always said that history books should be read cover to cover..even if only one sentence gives you a lead..you still have that lead...and this is a good one..And no...Im not giving that one away...but one thing that did pique my interest was that the wagons actually had a means to measure how many miles a day they traveled..Who would have thought that back then they could do that...Interesting!!
    And he explains that in depth too...I should be his promoter...Lol...Anyway..great book..many things in there that I will bet you will say... I did'nt know that...And Gerry if you read this...well...it is a great book..and I was glad you let me watch , and learn , while you put it together over the past year or so. Congrats. That being said I know Mr. Ahnert would appreciate my saying that GPS positions given within the book are COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL and cannot be collected and sold without his permission as is other information given within the book..We knew that anyway..didn't we?

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    The list of Butterfield Stage Stations listed here I think are based on information listed in Wikipedia. At least it looks like it.
    These lists are usually taken from the Postmaster General's report compiled by Bailey. He was assigned to ride on the first Butterfield stagecoach to make his report. For many reasons, he misspelled many of the station names or reported them not as Butterfield's names, but what seemed sensible to him. I stopped counting the inaccuracies in Wikipedia at twenty-five. There was no sense going on. I also see in one entry on this topic here that the map that is commonly used to show the route of the trail is the intended route before it was actually built. You will note that it does not show the trail going down into Mexico after it left Arizona. It reentered California near New River. The misinformation on the Butterfield Trail in Arizona (and elsewhere) is incredible.
    The initial count of the stations in Arizona was seventeen in September 1858 and when it ended in March 1861 there were twenty-five. The total number of stations from 1858-61 was twenty-six. There is only one identifiable ruins that exist today and that is of the protected site of Dragoon Springs Stage Station. I have tried to correct many of the old falsehoods in my new book published April 2011 titled "The Butterfield Trail and Overland Mail Company in Arizona, 1858-1861."
    No Butterfield stagecoach in Arizona was ever held up by outlaws and the Apache Indians only attacked a Butterfield Stagecoach once. This was in February 1861 and they only slowed down the mail.
    There are no known Butterfield Overland stagecoaches in Arizona as all the employees, livestock, and equipment were ordered transferred to the northern trail in March 1861 because of the advancing Confederate Army. Also, not Concord or Troy style stagecoaches were used in Arizona. Only the Celerity stagecoach was used.
    I could go on and on, but I guess that is why a wrote my latest book, just so I could do that. There are over ninety maps in the book with many photos, historical drawings. and many GPS locations. Everything in the book is copyrighted including the body of GPS locations. This is the result of over forty years of work and many of the GPS locations are uniquely attributed to my research.
    I wrote the book in hopes of preserving the history of the trail in Arizona and to give information to protect the remaining physical route of the trail.

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    Re: STAGECOACH ROUTES???

    Here is a map of the NH stage routes for anyone that is interested.

    http://whitemountainhistory.org/uplo...Routes_pdf.pdf


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    BuffaloBob listed above the Butterfield Arizona stage stations. Here are the correct 26 Butterfield Overland Mail Company stage stations in Arizona starting from the New Mexico border:

    1. San Simon stage station
    2. Apache Pass stage station (Fort Bowie didn't exist until after Butterfield shut down the line)
    3. Ewell's stage station
    4. Dragoon Springs stage station
    5. San Pedro River stage station
    6. Seneca-Cienega stage station
    7. Tucson stage station
    8. Pointer Mountain stage station
    9. Picacho stage station
    10. Blue Water stage station
    11. Oneida stage station
    12. Sacaton stage station
    13. Casa Blanca stage station
    14. Maricopa stage station
    15. Desert stage station
    16. Gila Ranch stage station
    17. Kinyon's stage station
    18. Oatman Flat stage station
    19. Burke's stage station
    20. Stanwix Ranch stage station
    21. Grinnell's (Texas Hill) stage station
    22. Mohawk (Peterman's) stage station
    23. Antelope Peak stage station
    24. Fillibuster Camp stage station
    25. Mission Camp stage station
    26. Snively's (Gila City) stage station



    The stations took on various names but the above are the names most popularly used during Butterfield's time. You will note that five of the station names come from New York State as many of the employees, especially the stagecoach drivers, were from central-New York State.
    There was no Butterfield Overland Mail Company station at Fort Bowie, Willcox, or Arizona City.

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    These names are still visable on the rail lines, and Highway 10 signs. Not all but some for sure.
    Life is too short to be serious all the time. So if you cant laugh at yourself, call me....I'll laugh at you.

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    Anyone have a map on Florida routes and stations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casca
    These names are still visable on the rail lines, and Highway 10 signs. Not all but some for sure.
    This is often the case where railroad lines take basic the same route as the old trails. The train stations will take the name of a nearby historical feature, but this also caused confusion. This is sometimes the case with the old Maricopa Wells Stage Station site. The town of Maricopa is 7 1/2 miles below the old site and the town didn't come into existent until the completion of the railroad in 1879.
    There is a great deal of confusion with many other sites also, some due to other reasons. The town of Dos Cabezas has long claimed that the Butterfield Station was in the town. Actually the station, Ewell's Station, was 4 miles south. The town of Dos Cabezas didn't come into existence in the late 1870s well after the closing of the Butterfield line in March 1861. The spring that supplied the cistern at the old station was in the pass of the Dos Cabezas Mountains. This point has confused some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cw0909
    not sure if this is what your looking for,the site has google map links to the state routes, and lists the stations,in each state
    sorry forgot who, just posted a free san map link too, in maps, good for a week or so

    MISSOURI STATIONS
    Google map with the Missouri portion of the Butterfield Trail and related waymarks

    http://knol.google.com/k/butterfield...rland-mail-co#
    You will note that there are a number of errors on the site not necessarily due to the author. The early information was inaccurate for a number of reasons. Bailey in his initial report to the Postmaster General misspelled many of the names and there were many more stations added later. I have listed the twenty-six stations in Arizona in one of my other posts. Although he lists one at Fort Bowie it is incorrect since Fort Bowie didn't exist during Butterfield's time.

 

 
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