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    Romania metal detecting question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Waterscoop View Post
    Shipping and declare it as a gift. If you bring it in you are a foreigner with a metalDetector without proper paperwork. The will "hold it" for you until such time that you do. Let me tell you bureaucracy like they have in Romania is hard to find.You will waste your time that you would metal detecting getting paperwork and bailing your metal detector.

    Let your family pull the paperwork in their name and have the be with you when you detect.

    Cheers and Good luck

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    Thanks waterscoop! If I end up going, I'll be sure to post my finds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustKeepDigging View Post
    Do you think I should risk taking it with me in my luggage? I was reading about the possibility of the Romanian customs confiscating it. Maybe shipping it there is the better choice?
    Since when is mere possession of a metal detector , in any flight, in stow-away luggage in the cargo-hold, illegal ? Any more so than any other item of electronics that people nowadays have scores of (computers, musical devices, medical gear, etc...). I can think of places where you're not supposed to be in possession of one (historical monuments, or whatever). But in cargo , disassembled, I can not think of any airline rule that says anything, to any destination, as "no detectors". If someone has something to the contrary, I would love to see it.

    Seems to me that the objective of baggage screening is drugs and weapons.

    But if you're still skittish: You could always simply ship it to yourself via mailing. And it would be treated as any one of a million electronic objects that are shipped daily , in normal mail, around the world. Just take the batteries out so it doesn't accidentally turn on during shipment, haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Since when is mere possession of a metal detector , in any flight, in stow-away luggage in the cargo-hold, illegal ? Any more so than any other item of electronics that people nowadays have scores of (computers, musical devices, medical gear, etc...). I can think of places where you're not supposed to be in possession of one (historical monuments, or whatever). But in cargo , disassembled, I can not think of any airline rule that says anything, to any destination, as "no detectors". If someone has something to the contrary, I would love to see it.

    Seems to me that the objective of baggage screening is drugs and weapons.

    But if you're still skittish: You could always simply ship it to yourself via mailing. And it would be treated as any one of a million electronic objects that are shipped daily , in normal mail, around the world. Just take the batteries out so it doesn't accidentally turn on during shipment, haha
    The problem might be when you go through customs and have to declare the contents of your luggage. As for shipping the detector......if your machine uses Li-ion or Li-po batteries, you need to keep them in the unit. You can't ship them separate unless you go through the hazardous materials process. According to what I've read in the Airline shipping rules, you can only have one of those batteries per unit, it has to be installed inside the unit, and the unit has to be disabled in some way so that it can't accidentally be turned on. What I do is tape a piece of cardboard over the control pad to prevent the buttons from being pushed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cudamark View Post
    The problem might be when you go through customs and have to declare the contents of your luggage. As for shipping the detector......if your machine uses Li-ion or Li-po batteries, you need to keep them in the unit. You can't ship them separate unless you go through the hazardous materials process. According to what I've read in the Airline shipping rules, you can only have one of those batteries per unit, it has to be installed inside the unit, and the unit has to be disabled in some way so that it can't accidentally be turned on. What I do is tape a piece of cardboard over the control pad to prevent the buttons from being pushed.
    cuda-mark, all that you're saying could be true of electronic devices, in general. But it seemed to me that the question was about detectors specifically. As if (power source aside), metal detectors are/were somehow seen as illegal or something.

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    I got the impression that being a foreigner and just owning one in that country without a permit was illegal. Maybe I'm mistaken. We actually have places here where the mere possession of a detector in certain areas is illegal. It doesn't even have to be assembled or working. Now, I've never heard of anyone getting into serious trouble under those conditions, but, It seems to me they could make an issue of it if they wanted to. This is where first hand experience is invaluable. Let's hear from someone who has actually gone through the process to see what's involved. It may be that sure, it's on the books as being illegal, but, nobody enforces it. Or, it might be a big deal with confiscation and fines. If this is going to be used out on a farm east of nowhere, and the local family knows the situation, I'd do the shipping thing and not worry about it.....but, that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cudamark View Post
    The problem might be when you go through customs and have to declare the contents of your luggage..

    What is your source ? I mean, sheesk, metal detectors get used for a variety of other uses too: Finding nails in logs (so you don't mess up saw blades), security at events, finding lost jewelry, looking for modern objects that don't fall under cultural heritage, for use on private land which is outside the scope of laws applying to private land, etc...

    I don't disagree that there are some places where the mere possession of one could be a no-no. If an ENTIRE COUNTRY is within that, then do you have some link to show that ? I have not flown outside of the USA. But, just from the state-to-state flying I've done here, and seeing the scrutiny they do at the baggage check, they are NOT opening your luggage, and ruffling through your underwear compartment, etc... They are concerned about explosives, weapons, and drugs I would think.

    I'll tell you what I'll do: My sister in law works for one of the largest travel agents in the country. Based out of Texas. They handle all the inter-continental travel of many of the fortune 500 companies, celebrities, etc..... I will pose this question on her, if she knows of ANY country in the world, that travel into forbids the possession of a metal detector. Ok ?

    I will report back to the forum.
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    My family literally found these in the field when planting crops, thus the reason I wanna detect the land lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cudamark View Post
    I got the impression that being a foreigner and just owning one in that country without a permit was illegal. ....
    Ok, I'll bite: Where did you get that "impression" ? And why would there be a distinction between who could swing a detector ? Ie.: "foreigner" vs "local person". Is someone coming up to a dude in a potato field checking to see if he a Romanian versus an American ? From a distance, they're both caucasian , so who's out there checking ID's, etc... ?

    People throw out the "I heard it's illegal to detect hither or yonder". And just that MERE ASSERTION seems to be taken as gospel truth . Because someone says "they heard that". Then sure enough, links lead to links, where people assume it's true "because someone heard it" 20-links-ago. Until you ask "where is that written?". Then you hear the sound of crickets. So I ask you: Where did you get this info ?

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    Tom,

    Have you ever had the displeasure of going thru customs in a post communist era country. I’m telling you brother it’s nothing like TSA!

    PEOPLE to this day pack bribe packages that the custom “officials” can take as a gift to look the other way. In the old days they used cartons of cigarettes

    I’m telling Romania is not United States of America. Before the communist regime fell Romania was very much like North Korea. It’s hard for one to identify bitter when all their life they have experiniced only sweetness. I for one tasted bitter and the sweetness is so much better.

    I wish there was a way for me to make you “see” that your belief is correct however the Easten Block countries still operate under a milder form of an Iron Curtain today. Look at Eukraine and Russia and the poisoning of political leaders..

    I will give you even worst logical thinking then Corrupt officials. Try to go to Saudi Arabia and book a room in a hotel with a girlfriend if one is not married. I’m sure you know what will happen. That type of behavior is laughable in US but not there. Other countries have laws that we may laugh at but if we do not acknowledge their laws while In their country then we will be subject to their harsh punishments.

    Have you ever watched the midnight express?

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    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterscoop View Post
    ... Have you ever had the displeasure of going thru customs in a post communist era country. ....
    Everything you're saying (corruption , TSA, etc...) is entirely true. IF we start with the premise that "having a metal detector in your cargo suitcase = illegal". Then ... sure. But you're merely assuming this is the default premise. Why ? If that's true, then sure, by all means, don't have a detector in your luggage. But ........ is that true ?

    I am still waiting to see such a rule or law that a detector in your cargo luggage is illegal. I don't doubt there's spots in Romania you can't swing a detector (so too can the same be said of the USA). We're talking about your luggage. Right ?

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    Tom, I understand where your coming from, and agree with Most of your post, But Romania is not Kansas. I wouldnt recommend to anyone taking a detector to another country, although the idea sounds exciting. Things can happen, that we could never imagine. I would check with someone from that country, before taking a chance, and even then we could get it wrong. Just think, if a Romanian asked an American, if he could metal detect in the States. The answer would have to be a ten page document and it still wouldnt cover everything. I am asked often, if someone can detect in Thailand, sure, beach detecting is pretty much ok, but if the police had a bad day, he could come up with a law that says no detecting allowed, so maybe you lose your machine or pay a fine, which is most likely. I can imagine, if you take the detector back out of the country, and a pocket full of rare coins, you might end up doing time, losing your machine, losing the coins. Maybe nothing will happen, but is it worth it to take a chance, i dont think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Everything you're saying (corruption , TSA, etc...) is entirely true. IF we start with the premise that "having a metal detector in your cargo suitcase = illegal". Then ... sure. But you're merely assuming this is the default premise. Why ? If that's true, then sure, by all means, don't have a detector in your luggage. But ........ is that true ?

    I am still waiting to see such a rule or law that a detector in your cargo luggage is illegal. I don't doubt there's spots in Romania you can't swing a detector (so too can the same be said of the USA). We're talking about your luggage. Right ?
    You are right Tom. I say you try it and let me know how it goes for you. Based on my personal experience of once bitten I will continue to remain twice shy.

    No hard feelings either I respect your point of view THAT is what makes this country amazing. We both can have a say without the fear of persecution.

    I wish you nothing but the best in 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by maipenrai View Post
    Tom, I understand where your coming from, and agree with Most of your post, But Romania is not Kansas. I wouldnt recommend to anyone taking a detector to another country, although the idea sounds exciting. Things can happen, that we could never imagine. I would check with someone from that country, before taking a chance, and even then we could get it wrong. Just think, if a Romanian asked an American, if he could metal detect in the States. The answer would have to be a ten page document and it still wouldnt cover everything. I am asked often, if someone can detect in Thailand, sure, beach detecting is pretty much ok, but if the police had a bad day, he could come up with a law that says no detecting allowed, so maybe you lose your machine or pay a fine, which is most likely. I can imagine, if you take the detector back out of the country, and a pocket full of rare coins, you might end up doing time, losing your machine, losing the coins. Maybe nothing will happen, but is it worth it to take a chance, i dont think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maipenrai View Post
    Tom, I understand where your coming from, and agree with Most of your post, But Romania is not Kansas. I wouldnt recommend to anyone taking a detector to another country, although the idea sounds exciting. Things can happen, that we could never imagine. I would check with someone from that country, before taking a chance, and even then we could get it wrong. Just think, if a Romanian asked an American, if he could metal detect in the States. The answer would have to be a ten page document and it still wouldnt cover everything. I am asked often, if someone can detect in Thailand, sure, beach detecting is pretty much ok, but if the police had a bad day, he could come up with a law that says no detecting allowed, so maybe you lose your machine or pay a fine, which is most likely. I can imagine, if you take the detector back out of the country, and a pocket full of rare coins, you might end up doing time, losing your machine, losing the coins. Maybe nothing will happen, but is it worth it to take a chance, i dont think so.
    Waterscoop and maipenrai, well ... sure ... *Anything* could happen. All that you say could apply to any single activity that someone could do while traveling to Romania, or any non-westernized 3rd world type -country. Ie.: corrupt officials inventing laws on the spot, etc... So ... why travel at all , anywhere on earth except Kansas, to do any activity whatsoever ?

    I'm still looking long & hard at the replies here, but .... still not seeing any reference to a law for Romania as it regards detectors & detecting. And not just catch-all cultural heritage type stuff (so too does the USA and Britain have such verbiage), but rather: Something that says border to border, all land, and even simple possession, etc... As of yet, no one's cited any such thing. Instead it's all been about corruption, don't drink the water, and other such safe travel sort of advice that .... YES ... would apply to any non-western country someone would visit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Since when is mere possession of a metal detector , in any flight, in stow-away luggage in the cargo-hold, illegal ? Any more so than any other item of electronics that people nowadays have scores of (computers, musical devices, medical gear, etc...). I can think of places where you're not supposed to be in possession of one (historical monuments, or whatever). But in cargo , disassembled, I can not think of any airline rule that says anything, to any destination, as "no detectors". If someone has something to the contrary, I would love to see it.

    Seems to me that the objective of baggage screening is drugs and weapons.

    But if you're still skittish: You could always simply ship it to yourself via mailing. And it would be treated as any one of a million electronic objects that are shipped daily , in normal mail, around the world. Just take the batteries out so it doesn't accidentally turn on during shipment, haha
    Try storing your detector in the luggage and go detecting in Cuba. Oh right you would have to jump through hoops to go there and if you did it's illegal to detect. I would love to be a fly on the wall listening to your GREY logical answers when trying to explain it looking out of a cold damp cement room.
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