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    Timothy Gilmore

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    Emailed local Parks and Recreation about Metal Detecting

    As I live a block or two away from a local park, I found their website and asked about their policy on Metal Detecting.

    Their response:


    In response to the questions about metal detecting:


    Metal detecting in of itself will not be a problem. However, digging into the ground to unearth an object is not allowed per the Park District Ordinances.



    PARK DISTRICT ORDINANCES - SECTION 3.20 DESTRUCTION OF LANDSCAPE

    “…No person shall pick, gather, uproot, remove or destroy any flower, plant or grass. No person shall remove or cause to be removed any sod, earth, humus, peat, boulders, gravel or sand.”


    If you have any more questions you are more than welcome to contact me directly if that is helpful.


    Derek Solberg

    Superintendent of Buildings and Grounds

    Mundelein Park & Recreation District
    ----------------------------------------- -----------------------------

    It sounds like I can go metal detecting but I just can't dig anything up.

    Any way around this, anyone can think of?

    Thanks,

    Tim
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    Sorry To hear You did that

    This is the reason Don't Ask/Don't Tell should be used when
    Intending to Recreate in Local Recreation Areas imo.

    the Rule: “…No person shall pick, gather, uproot, remove or destroy any flower, plant or grass. No person shall remove or cause to be removed any sod, earth, humus, peat, boulders, gravel or sand.”

    I see nothing saying "Man Made Object" which is what you would be looking to Remove.

    & I Do believe You can avoid Destruction by Being Careful.
    & Replacing any sod, earth, humus, peat, boulders, gravel or sand.

    However now you have the Issue of Being Officially Warned

    You could Try Practicing retrieval with a Screwdriver

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    Slice, Spread, Retrieve, Re-Close.

    a Trick I've Done in Soft Earth, Using my Finder.
    Reach down, as If your Picking something UP & Push your finger into the Sod
    and Retrieve.
    This works with No Lookie Loos Standing next to you on Occasion
    Last edited by jeff of pa; Jun 20, 2019 at 02:28 PM.

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    This is quite normal for nearly every park land I've ever looked into, with a few exceptions that are legal with a permit and guidelines.

    It makes sense really, that they would have a rule saying "dont tear up the park"

    Just don't let Tom in Ca find out you asked a question and learned the rules ......

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    because there are Fresh losses Every Day, You could still Detect for Fresh Drops.
    I Wouldn't carry a Digging Device there now, Unless you get the Go ahead from A grounds Keeper.

    Use Some ingenuity if Approached by a Curious Friendly Groundskeeper.
    Say something Like, "I Get allot of Signals under the Ground, But don't know if I'm allowed to Check them Out "

    Perhaps He'll Give you the Go ahead

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    Or if confronted, point behind you and say" I've already popped a dozen coins, do you see any damage?"


    "And so the population was gradually led into the demoralising temptations of arcades, baths, and sumptuous banquets. The unsuspecting Britons spoke of such novelties as 'civilisation', when in fact they were only a feature of their enslavement." Tacitus, Roman Senator and Historian, written AD 98.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kray Gelder View Post
    Or if confronted, point behind you and say" I've already popped a dozen coins, do you see any damage?"
    Yes But be Prepared With Dirty Coins to prove it.

    A few Clean Dangerous Items & Trash Bits on Ya can't hurt either.
    Sharp pieces of Glass, Metal, Crumpled up Candy Wrappers. Crushed Can,
    a Needle if you can acquire One. & Make it look Stepped on. Maybe a Live Bullet.
    Things that look like your a "Value" to the Park, Not a Problem
    Last edited by jeff of pa; Jun 20, 2019 at 03:38 PM.

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    Now they have an eye out for you and any other metal detectorists. Don’t kick the hornet’s nest cause it will stir up trouble.
    Can I fly my drone or RC plane in the park? No! Now that you asked.


    We are not what we take, we are what we leave.

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    Yep ! If you ask about Skate Boards, The answer will most likely Be no,
    Unless they have a Designated Skate Board Area of Course.

    Running around , playing Tag, May be an Issue if you Ask.
    Too dangerous to you & Others.

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    This day and age most parks commissions, authorities, departments, etc have websites. Just search their site for the rules. On that thought town have websites and most have links to their ordinances, so you can review them also, many are searchable.
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    once you ask, you've opened a can of worms...….

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    Maybe sneak in at night and use a small red light to see with while detecting. I doubt the parks guy will be there that late. If the cops ask what you're doing, be honest and tell them you're metal detecting and didn't want bothered or distracted by others. If he's aware of the ordinance then he'll probably just tell you to leave after you've pled stupid. Added, do be neat about your holes and fill them back in. This way the cop can tell you aren't out to destroy the landscape.
    Last edited by Swaveab; Jun 20, 2019 at 08:54 PM.

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    public property words to live by " easier to beg for forgiveness then to ask for permission ", no body likes to be liable especially city officials

    Like Jeff stated you have bin officially warned, might have never herd a peep from anyone and the rule may have never bin enforced but now they might be watching....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdg8934 View Post
    As I live a block or two away from a local park, I found their website and asked about their policy on Metal Detecting.

    Their response:


    In response to the questions about metal detecting:


    Metal detecting in of itself will not be a problem. However, digging into the ground to unearth an object is not allowed per the Park District Ordinances.



    PARK DISTRICT ORDINANCES - SECTION 3.20 DESTRUCTION OF LANDSCAPE

    “…No person shall pick, gather, uproot, remove or destroy any flower, plant or grass. No person shall remove or cause to be removed any sod, earth, humus, peat, boulders, gravel or sand.”


    If you have any more questions you are more than welcome to contact me directly if that is helpful.


    Derek Solberg

    Superintendent of Buildings and Grounds

    Mundelein Park & Recreation District
    ----------------------------------------- -----------------------------

    It sounds like I can go metal detecting but I just can't dig anything up.

    Any way around this, anyone can think of?

    Thanks,

    Tim
    Unfortunately, you've found out a bit late why you don't ask government employees anything. Look the rules up yourself. Hopefully others will see this post and decide not to, or, at least ask here first. Even still, in reading the ordinance, I still don't see a problem with making a recovery. If you use proper recovery method(s), (i.e. trap door plug) you're not removing any of their prohibited items, correct? You may be shuffling them around a bit, but, you're not taking them. The posted rules were in place long before detectors were in use and were meant to prohibit people from taking the landscaping for their own use, and not specifically for us. They've since been applied to us in some instances however. The semantics might be lost on them in an argument, and it probably wouldn't change their mind, but, I doubt you would get cited for it if you're not making a mess or leaving open holes. I agree that you should do it after hours when the officials have all gone home. A cop isn't going to bother you unless they get a complaint. Even then, you'll just get a scram.
    "jus cuz it's wrote down, don't make it so"

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    That sucks, Read more posts here and you'll see this is a common topic amongst us. I've never asked and never been told anything other than " I hope you find something awesome" by park officials. I showed them the trash and they seemed pleased.

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    and in the unfortunate Case where you get chased by someone
    who your sure has the Authority or Not. Be Courteous Try to engage them in Friendly
    Conversation. leave if you need to, and decide later if this was possibly a one-off
    that can be ignored in the future

 

 
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