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  1. #16

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    All we need now is Nokta and FT to release multi frequency.

    Chub
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie P. (NY) View Post
    Interesting. Do multi-frequency detectors tell you which frequency your target responded to?

    I ask because I've never owned one. My F-75 can use five to suit conditions, but just one at a time.
    Choseing the right frequency for the designated task is an advantage, no doubt about it, but using 4 or more harmonics at the same thime is more or less the Unicorn among horses. A coil is a phisical device, no matter how many harmonics you feed it at the same thime, in or out of phase, you will always get a single interference picture. Non the less it seems to work best in commercial field, you just give the customer what he or she wants. Bottom line, the detection depth seems to be comparable among machines of similar class, regardless being multi or single frequency. What should be the difference is more accurate VDI from data obtained of many different frequencies, which, sadly, doesn't mach the reality either.
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  3. #18
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    Jan 2018
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    Quote Originally Posted by calabash digger View Post
    Nice entry level machine...but minelab has already done it with the Vanquish. Plus look at coil selection on the Vanquish. Nice to see Garrett coming into 2020 ...Here is the kicker their cheap detector has a iron audio now and their top tiers dont.... I wish they would have competed with the Equinox ....
    Garrett is protecting its money tree Ace line. That is clear. We know that they can produce a waterproof detector look at the AT Pro. Now they have proved they can produce a multi-frequency detector and one with more features than the Vanquish 540. (I think Minelab made a mistake on the no ground balance feature and the Apex pointedly made that clear.

    Kob I think the detector you and others are looking for will come later this year or spring 2021 and it will be the AT Pro Apex going head to head against the Equinox line.

    I know Garrett has the ability and now I am pretty sure they have the will to do it. I was a long and hard critic of Garrett for not bringing the multi-frequency and other technologies of the Equinox to the market in their detectors. Now that has changed.

    Winners will be Garrett and Minelab and losers? The other losers will be detector manufacturers who won't or cannot afford to upgrade their lines with the newer technology.

    Since the modern metal detector is now based on microprocessors and signal processors many detector manufacturers will follow the Intel development model of product life cycles by making your own older models obsolete or let your competitors do it and let the competitors gain the new detector sales. Garrett is going to strongly defend their Ace line (1,000,000) units sold and also defend their popular AT Pro line with the AT Pro Apex at some near future date.

    We are entering (or have enterered) into a interesting phase of new metal detector introductions.
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  4. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie P. (NY) View Post
    Interesting. Do multi-frequency detectors tell you which frequency your target responded to?

    I ask because I've never owned one. My F-75 can use five to suit conditions, but just one at a time.
    I have the Nox 800 and when in Multi-IQ mode as far as I know there is no way as the user to know even what mixture of frequencies you are using. Some technical guys have put it on the scope and figured out what frequencies are used in different modes. But I don't remember what they were.
    Last edited by pulltabfelix; May 16, 2020 at 07:54 AM.
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  5. #20
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    Jan 2018
    North Atlanta
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    I feel that one of the advantages of multi-frequencies (giving better tones and TID) is somewhat nulled out in the Nox 800 by the Nox seeing every little bit of metal trash under the coil and altering the TID numbers. I think with the Vanquish 540 the Minelab engineers toned down the ability to see such small items and thus in my experience the 540 gives a better tone and stable TID. Of course on the Nox it is easy to de-tune the detector to avoid some of that small stuff.

  6. #21
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    Jan 2018
    North Atlanta
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    As of a month ago Relic Recoverists (Jocelyn) is still using the AT Gold and her hair is no longer purple. In my opinion she is the best female detectorist on youtube. Actually knows a lot about metal detecting and takes it seriously.

    Funny thing, her boyfriend swings an Equinox and in this video she called it his "witchcraft machine". I guess in her Garrett boyfriend agreement their is a section where her boyfriend is allow to use a non Garrett detector.
    Last edited by pulltabfelix; May 16, 2020 at 08:08 AM.
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  7. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulltabfelix View Post
    Garrett is protecting its money tree Ace line. That is clear. We know that they can produce a waterproof detector look at the AT Pro. Now they have proved they can produce a multi-frequency detector and one with more features than the Vanquish 540. (I think Minelab made a mistake on the no ground balance feature and the Apex pointedly made that clear.

    Kob I think the detector you and others are looking for will come later this year or spring 2021 and it will be the AT Pro Apex going head to head against the Equinox line.

    I know Garrett has the ability and now I am pretty sure they have the will to do it. I was a long and hard critic of Garrett for not bringing the multi-frequency and other technologies of the Equinox to the market in their detectors. Now that has changed.

    Winners will be Garrett and Minelab and losers? The other losers will be detector manufacturers who won't or cannot afford to upgrade their lines with the newer technology.

    Since the modern metal detector is now based on microprocessors and signal processors many detector manufacturers will follow the Intel development model of product life cycles by making your own older models obsolete or let your competitors do it and let the competitors gain the new detector sales. Garrett is going to strongly defend their Ace line (1,000,000) units sold and also defend their popular AT Pro line with the AT Pro Apex at some near future date.

    We are entering (or have enterered) into a interesting phase of new metal detector introductions.
    Garrets multi is running 5 to 20 kh.... Minelab is running all the way up to 40kh....You know what means dont you Dont get me wrong it is a nice machine for the money.

    Jas 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

  8. #23
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    Calabash, I think the new Garrett can and will compete nicely with the Vanquish, and Equinox 600. When they complete the design of the 12" and 5" coil for the Apex, they will really have something. As far as the top end of 20kHz, I found over a Troy pound of small pickers and nuggets with my 17.8kHz Tesoro Lobo Super Trac. The thing about these new super light multi-freqs is they can go anywhere. Fresh water, Saltwater, desert, forest. This machine will sell to Police departments and civilians alike. Super easy to learn and use, with insane capabilities.

    There is a reason Garrett is number one. This is not to say specialized machines will not be needed and prized. Excalibur; GPZ 7000; E-Trac; yadda-yadda-yadda

  9. #24
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    sprailroad

    Jan 2017
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    I missed something somewhere, the new Garrett, 5 to 20 Khz, multi, meaning at the same time?, or the ability to switch around to single Freq's, which in itself is fine, I had bought a minilab X-Terra because I could switch Freq's, but by changing coils to do so. Then went to the Safari, Multi-Freq's, great machine, but must use a slower swing for a slower recovery speed, the AT Pro, "waterproof" and then the EQ 800, only one I use now, Multi Freq, 5 single Freq's without changing coils and waterproof. The new Garrett? Well....you never know, a new toy for Dave just for the heck of it? Do I need ANOTHER detector, ah well no, there are seven hanging on the wall now, but fella's that's over 30 plus years, and I only use one now, but...I don't know......
    Last edited by sprailroad; May 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM.
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  10. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by sprailroad View Post
    I missed something somewhere, the new Garrett, 5 to 20 Khz, multi, meaning at the same time?, or the ability to switch around to single Freq's, which in itself is fine, I had bought a minilab X-Terra because I could switch Freq's, but by changing coils to do so. Then went to the Safari, Multi-Freq's, great machine, but must use a slower swing for a slower recovery speed, the AT Pro, "waterproof" and then the EQ 800, only one I use now, Multi Freq, 5 single Freq's without changing coils and waterproof. The new Garrett? Well....you never know, a new toy for Dave just for the heck of it? Do I need ANOTHER detector, ah well no, there are seven hanging on the wall now, but fella's that's over 30 plus years, and I only use one now, but...I don't know......
    I missed it as well. From the video I watched it seemed like you could only switch between each individual freq. But I have read that it also detects with multiple as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Soloman View Post
    Calabash, I think the new Garrett can and will compete nicely with the Vanquish, and Equinox 600. When they complete the design of the 12" and 5" coil for the Apex, they will really have something. As far as the top end of 20kHz, I found over a Troy pound of small pickers and nuggets with my 17.8kHz Tesoro Lobo Super Trac. The thing about these new super light multi-freqs is they can go anywhere. Fresh water, Saltwater, desert, forest. This machine will sell to Police departments and civilians alike. Super easy to learn and use, with insane capabilities.

    There is a reason Garrett is number one. This is not to say specialized machines will not be needed and prized. Excalibur; GPZ 7000; E-Trac; yadda-yadda-yadda
    Terry I dont know anything about gold hunting but I know from extensive testing on relics in iron that there are mid to low conductors in iron that a Higher freq machine will see that a 20 kh machine wont. Now that might not mean anything to most but for me it does because I hunt hammered relics sites and need all the advantages I can get pulling mid to low conductive buttons from the iron.

    Like smokey said they missed the boat on the highest freq of 20. It should have been up around 30. There will be advantages such as salt water beaches but like smokey said dont see this machine unlocking hammered sites for mid to low conductors that are hiding in the iron .Its not doing anything different Freq wise than say a Tejon at what 17 kh?? That is on the top of the range...

    There is not enough span between 5 kh to 20...such as with a Deus that goes from 14 to 54 or even 14 to 74 on the eliptical... Nox goes 5 to 40...
    Like I said looks like a good beginners detector...actually really good for that purpose.
    All my opinions are form a relic hunters viewpoint..

    Jas 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

  12. #27
    si
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    The Apex has manual selection of 4 frequencies from 5 to 20KHz, plus two more setings, the "multi frequency" with more (or all) frequencies at the same time (what ever that means) plus special "beach" multi frequency mode using many frequencies at the same time specialy adopted for salty enviroment.
    Frequency is only one parameter affecting overall sensitivity of the machine, in my oppinion stating that 20KHz max, might be a handicap is premature at this point, we'll have to wait and see how the detector will actually behave in terrain.

    Garrett is a reputable company with a line of fine machines i would love to have any of them, and wery experienced development team and deserve more credit on Apex, afrer all, guessing how the detector might or might not work in advance is just what it is - guessing.
    Last edited by TheGreenBoy; May 17, 2020 at 04:01 AM.

  13. #28

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    Silly question...can the frequencies be changed with upgrades?? or are those parameters fixed in the processor? It seems these days that so much can be changed with updates. Backlight levels, extended sensitivity etc etc.

    It was a point that I didnt want to criticise Garrett on. Well done for *keeping up... but how about something really innovative / fresh .I guess this is what the Cygnus is hinting at?

    Chub

  14. #29
    si
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    Quote Originally Posted by chub View Post
    Silly question...can the frequencies be changed with upgrades?? or are those parameters fixed in the processor? It seems these days that so much can be changed with updates. Backlight levels, extended sensitivity etc etc.

    It was a point that I didnt want to criticise Garrett on. Well done for *keeping up... but how about something really innovative / fresh .I guess this is what the Cygnus is hinting at?

    Chub
    There is a ring of truth in that. Besides a few very succesfoul marketing campaigns that made a lot of people belive in things out of scientific frame, we have seen litle new in last 20 yeares of VLF machines. The biggest step forward has been the application of visualization algoritms in Invenio, sadly, this sleeped threw the hands of time almost unnoticed. Not a coincidence.

    As fare as the Cygnus, it is yet a non existing detector with the technology and specifictions that has been kept in secret and not revealed even for a finger nail. It is difficult if not inpossible to comment on it, and unfair to compare it with a live machine. In my belive, it could be a unicorn, but once it tekes a phisical shape it might turn out it is just another horse.

    Oh, and wheather or not the frequncy can be changed in SW it depends on the chipset used, in my guess it is, but the true awser may onle be given by Garrett. The true questione is: do you relly think it is necessary to add another harmonic (i.e. 40 KHz).
    Last edited by TheGreenBoy; May 17, 2020 at 10:32 AM.

  15. #30
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    So.....by what I just read here, it's like the EQ 6-800? Operates in Multi Freq with the option to switch to a single Freq. if so desired. I have everything I will ever need, but with newer people interested in the hobby, I try to offer up a pretty decent choice for them, something user friendly to start out with, but something they will not outgrow anytime soon, while getting the most bang for the buck. There are a number of good choices out there, I just hope to give them a fairly informed choice. I could go on etc. etc., I will only add that so far, I have not found any good information about it anywhere. The one video put out by Garrett was as sad as the one Minelab put on the Vanquish.

 

 
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