I'm starting a new thread on this so I'll have the ability to add key words, which I'm not able to do on the other ghost town thread because I didn't begin it. Seems silly to go to all the trouble of putting this online if it can't be found on search engines. Needs key words for that.
Cross Reference to other Ghost Towns in New Mexico thread:
[size=12pt]Taiban - Virgin territory for metal detectorists and relic seekers[/size]
February 1944 the town was obliterated when a munitions train on a siding exploded. As a kid in the 1950s I used to pester the folks every time we passed through there to stop and let me pick around in the debris.
Today nobody much knows about what happened there. Just another dusty place along the highway. Probably there's never been a metal detector passed over it.
Taiban's only about 50 miles west of where I am, in Clovis. I've driven through before, and there's a few homes there still. Nice dusty little New Mexico town.
We all know there's no such thing as a "hunted out" location. Let's stop using that phrase to describe a park out of which you just dug a pile of coins! Obviously that particular place wasn't "hunted out", right?
Taiban's only about 50 miles west of where I am, in Clovis. I've driven through before, and there's a few homes there still. Nice dusty little New Mexico town.
Thanks for the reply. Clovis is plenty close enough to make a day-outing. Hope you'll tell a bit about it here if you run a coil over a few of those houses that never got rebuilt.
Bosque Redondo - Old Fort Sumner Debacle relic possibilities
Whatever a person might think about the 1862-1864 Navajo wars caused by their taking advantage of the Civil War emphasis on troops in the East, their depredations, raiding, killing and running off 160,000 livestock in 1862-63, the Long March to Bosque Redondo, the Navajo being allowed to slaughter of a great percentage of the Mescalero who were placed into that 40 square mile area with them, the area surrounding the old Rez site and old Fort Sumner site offer metal detectorists an area that might turn up some interesting finds.
Ground zero of both places is protected by park-status, but as with every other similar site there's going to be a shadow of remnants scattered throughout the area.
Short history of the Mescalero and Navajo wars that led to the Bosque Redondo/Fort Sumner debacle
On October 31, 1862, Congress authorized the establishment of the military Fort Sumner at Bosque Redondo, to protect a new Indian Reservation on a pace forty miles square.
Wow! Great research! I never knew a lot of Fort Sumner's history. I have thought about going hunting around the Lake Sumner area and found out then it was protected, so that kind of put a damper of things. Guess I'll have to make a run up there and look around, see if any adjoining lands to the state park have potential.
We all know there's no such thing as a "hunted out" location. Let's stop using that phrase to describe a park out of which you just dug a pile of coins! Obviously that particular place wasn't "hunted out", right?
Wow! Great research! I never knew a lot of Fort Sumner's history. I have thought about going hunting around the Lake Sumner area and found out then it was protected, so that kind of put a damper of things. Guess I'll have to make a run up there and look around, see if any adjoining lands to the state park have potential.
AF1733: Good luck. If you study the pic with the Mescalero dwellings you'll see there's enough terrain shown to provide you with plenty of reference points that ought to still be there so's you can nail the location. If it's not part of the protected portion of the land you might find yourself on something good.
That dark smoke in the sky right-of-center suggests there might be a lot of cook-fires toward the back of the canyon, as well. I can't tell from the pic what the stuff is near the bottom of the canyon entrance on the left side, but it also might be something.
There wasn't a lot left of Colfax the last time I was up that way. The hotel was gutted and the schoolhouse in pretty bad shape. But the railroad-car houses were still fun nosing around in. I doubt there was ever much money a person might lose there, but a detectorist might check out around the front of the hotel and the garage.
Thanks for posting all of the info Highmountain! You should write a book. You have good information on places that most of us have never heard of.
Hi Jones. Thanks for the reply.
I'm an old guy and I've traveled up a lot of dirt roads and climbed/unclimbed a lot of mountains and canyon walls in my life. A man would have to close his eyes not to come across a lot of interesting and fascinating places. I'm sort of cursed with a desire to know more about the places I come across, so I generally research as much as I'm able to learn more about them.
I don't expect to be writing anymore books. It ain't worth the trouble and heartache. No sooner write a book and have it out there where people can read it and a writer learns all manner of things he wishes he'd put into it.
Not much left at Mount Riley. However, if you get tired of detecting the ruins of the 1912 Pancho Villa raid on the vacant lots in Columbus and want some solitude you might drive 30 miles east to the old Mount Riley site. It never amounted to much so it didn't have much to lose when everyone went somewhere else. Old store might turn a nickle or some silver.
I'd advise putting the coordinates into the GPS or you might drive by without seeing it.
Regarding the nearby abandoned airfield the following will give you a better idea of what is/was there on the ground:
Railroad Stops - I don't have personal knowledged of several of these but they came up in various websearches and the descriptions include coordinates for those difficult to locate:
Altair
Bowen
Pelea
Hachita
Mastodon
Old Hachita
Noria
Minero
Potrillo
Playas
Mount
Riley
Rodeo
Monument
Malpais
Detailed List of Towns and Landmarks along the El Paso and Southwestern Railroad
between El Paso, Texas and Douglas, Arizona
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Listed below are all towns and significant landmarks that were located on the portion of the "Southline" between El Paso, TX and Douglas, AZ. Most of this information was obtained from either U.S. Geological Survey maps (mostly from the older 15 minute series) and from other old maps. Mileage and elevation figures were obtained from USGS topographic maps.
El Paso, Texas - El Paso County - Elev. 3,710
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: El Paso TX - 7.5 min. series 1955
31°46'01.52"N 106°28'42.78"W
4.2 miles east of Rio Grande Bridge
Bridge over the Rio Grande River - Elev. 3,736
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Smeltertown TX/NM - 7.5 min. series 1955 - T29S-R4E-Section15
31°47'13.53"N 106°31'35.93"W
New Mexico / Texas State Line in center of River
0.9 miles east of Bowen Tunnel (mileage from center of river)
4.2 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Bowen Tunnel - Dona Ana County - Elev. 3,860
USGS: Smeltertown TX/NM - 7.5 min. series 1955 - T29S-R4E-Section9 & 16
31°47'34.15"N 106°32'26.01"W
The tunnel was later opened up to form the Bowen Cut. 0.2 mileseast of Bowen (mileage from center of tunnel)
0.9 miles west of Rio GrandeRiver
5.1 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Bowen ,New Mexico - Dona Ana County - Elev. 3,858
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USGS: Smeltertown TX/NM - 7.5 min. series 1955 - T29S-R4E-Section9
31°47'39.61"N 106°32'40.12"W
On north side of Sierra De Cristo Rey (former Rodadero Peak)
1.9 miles east of Pelea
0.2 miles west of Bowen Tunnel
5.3 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Pelea (Anapra),New Mexico - Dona Ana County - Elev. 3,848
(SeeTopographic map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Smeltertown TX/NM - 7.5 min. series 1955 - T29S-R4E-Section18
31°47'01.99"N 106°34'00.08"W
Right of way meets the Mexican border at this point. Track is adjacent to SP tracks at this point, crossovers exist. Track starts climbing outof the Rio Grande Valley.
8.7 miles east of Mastodon
1.9 miles west of Bowen
7.5 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Western rim of Rio Grande Valley - Elev. 4,100
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
31°49'35.06"N 106°39'10.06"W
Eastbound trains begin their decent into the Rio Grande Valleyat this point.
3.0 miles east of Mastodon
5.7 miles west of Pelea
Santa Theresa Port of Entry Highway crosses grade
31°49'23.84"N 106°41'03.33"W
0.5 miles east of Mastodon
8.2 miles west of Pelea
Mastodon ,New Mexico - Dona Ana County - Elev. 4,112
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Strauss, NM - 7.5 min. series 1955 - T28S-R2E-Section 36
31°49'20.92"N 106°41'31.05"W
10.2 miles east of Noria
8.7 miles west of Pelea
15.9 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Noria ,New Mexico - Dona Ana County - Elev. 4,127
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Noria, NM - 7.5 min. series 1985 - T29S-R1E-Section 8
31°48'15.94"N 106°51'42.42"W
Old Borderland Highway is north of tracks. East from this pointit drifts to the north, heading to Strauss, NM on SP Mainline.
8.4 miles east of Potrillo
10.2 miles west of Mastodon
26.1 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Potrillo ,New Mexico - Dona Ana County - Elev. 4,247
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Potrillo, NM - 7.5 min. series 1985 - T29S-R2W-Section 12
31°48'03.44"N 106°59'51.86"W
Post Office from 1908 to 1914 Old Borderland Highway is north oftracks. Southern tip of the East Potrillo Mountains are approx. 1 mileto the north.
5.1 miles east of Mount Riley
8.4 miles west of Noria
34.7 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Phoenix/El Paso Airway Emergency Landing Field
Approximatly 3 miles sotheast of Mount Riley townsite
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
Mount Riley ,New Mexico - Dona Ana County - Elev. 4,109
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Mount Riley SE, NM - 7.5 min. series 1985 - T29S-R2W-Section 6
31°48'58.75"N 107°04'53.61"W
Road to the north goes to the Mt. Riley Ranch & to Mt. Riley, Kilborne Hole. Road to the south goes to Riley Airfield & Mexican border.
7.3 miles east of Monument
5.1 miles west of Potrillo
39.6 mles west of El Paso, Texas
Dry Lake Beds - Elev. 4,041
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Mount Riley SE, NM - 7.5 min. series 1985 - T29S-R3W-Section12
31°48'21.30"N 107°06'07.61"W
Old Borderland Highway is south of tracks.
5.7 miles east of Monument
1.6 miles west of Mount Riley
Monument ,New Mexico - Dona Ana County - Elev. 4,111
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: MT. Riley, NM - 15 min. series 1917 - T29S-R3W-Section 18
31°47'20.65"N 107°11'22.35"W
Old Borderland Highway is to south of tracks
3.8 miles east of Malpais
7.3 miles west of Mount Riley
46.9 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Malpais ,New Mexico - Dona Ana County - Elev. 4,128
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Camel Mountain, NM - 7.5 min. series 1965 - T29S-R4W-Section98
31°47'57.95"N 107°15'08.88"W
Road to the northeast goes to Guzman's Lookout Mountain Road tothe southwest goes to Birchfield Tank, Camel Mountain & Mexican border.Old Borderland Highway crossed the tracks here. To the east it is southof the tracks, to the west, it is north of the tracks.
11.1 miles east of Arena
3.8 miles west of Monument
50.7 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Dona Ana / Luna County Line
7.9 miles east of Arena
3.2 miles west of Malpais
Indian Basin Road
Goes about 3 miles to the northwest to Indian Basin
6.7 miles east of Arena
4.4 miles west of Malpais
Altair ,New Mexico - Luna County (Exact location unknown)
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
18 (approx.) miles east of Columbus
Arena Stock Tank & Windmill
Just south of tracks
0.7 miles east of Arena
10.4 miles west of Malpais
Arena, New Mexico - Luna County - Elev. 3,959
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Coyote Hill, NM - 7.5 min. series 1966 - T29S-R6W-Section12
31°48'06.05"N 107°24'54.07"W
Old Border Highway is on the south side of the tracks
13.5 miles east of Columbus
11.1 miles west of Malpais
61.8 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Mirian, New Mexico - Luna County NM (exact location unknown)
7 (approx.) miles east of Columbus
Columbus, New Mexico - Luna County - Elev. 4,064
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Columbus, NM - 7.5 min. series 1965 - T28S-R8W-Section 34
31°49'41.50"N 107°38'23.04"W
Post Office from 1891 to present Old Border Highway is south oftracks, Primitive dirt to the east, paved NM Highway 9 to the west.
7.2 miles east of Mimbres
13.5 miles west of Arena
75.3 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Mimbres, New Mexico - Luna County - Elev. 4,348
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Malpais Hill, NM - 7.5 min. series 1965 - T28S-R9W-Section10
31°48'04.30"N 107°45'13.78"W
12.8 miles east of Hermanas
7.2 miles west of Columbus
82.5 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Ford, New Mexico - Luna County (exact location unknown)
Hermanas, New Mexico - Luna County - Elev. 4,453
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Hermanas, NM - 7.5 min. series 1964 - T28S-R11W-Section 22
31°51'04.87"N 107°57'10.49"W
Branch Line to Deming connects here. Old Water tank still standingand used by ranchers Post Office from 1903 to 1925
5.1 miles east of Savoya
12.8 miles west of Mimbres
95.3 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Savoya, New Mexico - Luna County Elev. 4,585
(SeeTopographic Map)
USGS: Victorio Ranch SE, NM - 7.5 min. series 1965 - T29S-R12W-Section 1
31°49'09.16"N 108°00'58.83"W
7.6 miles east of Victorio
5.1 miles west of Hermanas
100.4 miles west of El Paso
Victorio, New Mexico - Luna County - Elev. 4,576
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Victorio Ranch, NM - 7.5 min. series 1965 - T28S-R13W-Section23
31°51'03.61"N 108°08'09.26"W
5.9 miles east of Continental
7.6 miles west of Savoya
108.0 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Grant / Luna county line
0.5 miles east of Continental
5.4 miles west of Victorio
Continental, New Mexico - Grant County - Elev. 4,707
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Hat Top Mountain, NM - 7.5 min. series 1982 - T28S-R14W-Section 12
31°53'11.65"N 108°13'21.73"W
6.4 miles east of Hachita
5.9 miles west of Victorio
113.9 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Hachita ,New Mexico - Grant County - Elev. 4,514
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Hachita, NM - 7.5 min. series 1982 - T27S-R15W-Section 36
31°55'08.54"N 108°19'19.52"W
Present town site established in 1902. Post Office from 1882 to 1892, then town moved, Post Office 1902 to present. Junction of Arizona & New Mexico RR to Lordsburg
3.2 miles east of Minero
6.4 miles west of Victorio
120.3 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Minero, New Mexico - Grant County - Elev. 4,519
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Hachita, NM - 15 min. series 1918 - T27S-R15W-Section 28
31°55'57.38"N 108°22'27.87"W
4.6 miles east of Vista
3.2 miles west of Hachita
123.5 miles west of El Paso, Texas
(Old)Hachita , New Mexico - Grant County - Elev. 4,850
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
Continental Divide - Elev. 4,648
1.5 miles east of Vista
3.1 miles west of Minero
Vista, New Mexico - Grant County - Elev. 4,679
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial photograph)
USGS: Hachita, NM - 15 min. series 1918 - T27S-R16W-Section 12
31°57'56.77"N 108°25'55.88"W
3.7 miles east of Pothook
4.6 miles west of Minero
128.1 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Continental Divide - Elev. 4,694
3.1 miles east of Pothook
0.6 miles west of Vista
Pothook, New Mexico - Grant County - Elev. 4,553
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Hachita, NM - 15 min. series 1918 - T27S-R16W-Section 8
31°58'26.50"N 108°29'32.17"W
5.8 miles east of Playas
3.7 miles west of Vista
131.8 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Hidalgo / Grant County Line
4.0 miles east of Playas
1.8 miles west of Pothook
Playas ,New Mexico - Hidalgo County - Elev. 4,311
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Playas Lake North, NM - 7.5 min. series 1982 - T27S-R17W-Section 7
31°58'14.75"N 108°36'31.80"W
Post Office from 1913 to 1918
12.0 miles east of Animas
5.8 miles west of Pothook
137.6 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Continental Divide - Elev. 4,510
1.0 miles east of Antelope
5.4 miles west of Playas
Antelope, New Mexico - Hidalgo County - Elev. 4,496
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Beacon Hill, NM - 7.5 min. series 1982 - T27S-R18W-Section18
31°57'22.52"N 108°42'52.45"W
5.6 miles east of Animas
6.4 miles west of Playas
144.0 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Animas, New Mexico - Hidalgo County - Elev. 4,404
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Animas, NM - 7.5 min. series 1982 - T27S-R19W-Section 20
31°56'55.67"N 108°48'20.53"W
Established in 1843. Post Office from 1909 to Present
5.4 miles east of Pratt
5.6 miles west of Antelope
149.6 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Pratt, New Mexico - Hidalgo County - Elev. 4,425
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
USGS: Antelope Pass, NM - 7.5 min. series 1982 - T27S-R20W-Section21
31°56'34.46"N 108°53'40.10"W
Post Office from 1905 to 1913.
12.7 miles east of Rodeo
5.4 miles west of Animas
155.0 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Antelope Pass - Elev. 4,410
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
Pass through the Peloncillo Mountains
11.1 miles east of Rodeo
1.6 miles west of Pratt
Apan, New Mexico - Hidalgo County (Exact location unknown)
(SeeTopographic Map) (See Aerial Photograph)
Rodeo ,New Mexico - Hidalgo County - Elev. 4,128
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USGS: Antelope Pass, NM - 7.5 min. series 1982 - T28S-R21W-Section30
31°50'08.56"N 109°01'54.21"W
Post Office from 1903 to Present
12.7 miles east of Apache
12.7 miles west of Pratt
167.7 miles west of El Paso, Texas
Arizona / New Mexico State Line
10.7 miles east of Apache
2.0 miles west of Rodeo
Jack I hope you never stop posting but you could put together a book called Metaldetectors guide for Dummy's and make a fortune Id buy your book anyday, I personally want to thank you for your help and if I ever find anything using your info I'm sure going to send you a little somethin.
Dave
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Jack I hope you never stop posting but you could put together a book called Metaldetectors guide for Dummy's and make a fortune Id buy your book anyday, I personally want to thank you for your help and if I ever find anything using your info I'm sure going to send you a little somethin.
Dave
Dave: You're most welcome. When I decided to post a lot of this it was my hope someone would get some use out of it. On the New Mexico Forum, as well as most of the others the threads are predominantly made up of posts by MDers asking for information about places to detect. I thought it something of a shame as well as a mystery. For me finding good places to go looking for evidence of history has never been a problem. Over the years I've filled my head with more of them than I could get to in several lifetimes.
My intentions in posting a few of them leaned as much to conveying some basic methods for finding places to search as to providing a lot of them I'll probably never return to. I've even teetered on the brink of posting some I hold 'secret and sacred' and have every intention of going back.
Best of good fortune to you in your searches.
Jack