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    New Makro/Nokta detector release in 2018?

    Iíve read on various websites rumors of a waterproof detector in the works, unclear if it would be a Makro 3/Impact 2/Storm release. (Doubt it would be an Impact 2)

    Dilek - can you let us in on whether there is a confirmed new detector release coming in 2018? Might make a difference on whether some of us invest in the Minelab Equinox or wait an extra month or two for a new Makro/Nokta release...
    "There is no such thing as a hunted out location. There are only those whose patience has run out and who aren't up for the challenge."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepDigs View Post
    I’ve read on various websites rumors of a waterproof detector in the works, unclear if it would be a Makro 3/Impact 2/Storm release. (Doubt it would be an Impact 2)

    Dilek - can you let us in on whether there is a confirmed new detector release coming in 2018? Might make a difference on whether some of us invest in the Minelab Equinox or wait an extra month or two for a new Makro/Nokta release...
    Hello. Yes there is a confirmed new waterproof detector coming out under Makro brand in 2018.
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    Can't wait! I wonder if it will be simultaneous multi frequency or more in the AT max/ MX sport direction? Don't worry Dilek - I dont think it would be fair to expect you to give out too much info.
    Im not expecting a new pinpointer release as I cant think how you could improve on the current one - Its excellent.

    Any competition in the PI dive machines would also be welcome.

    Chub
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    I would like to see a PI machine from them

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    New Makro/Nokta detector release in 2018?

    Iím really looking forward to this machine hope itís announced soon and released before spring this year, during the start (for most) to the MD season

    Dilek gave us a hint during her seasons greetings posting - it will be a waterproof unit for sure. My money is on the Makro Storm, but we will see!
    "There is no such thing as a hunted out location. There are only those whose patience has run out and who aren't up for the challenge."

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    Its a tricky market to be in right now with the equinox release...at the same price point as the impact...then to introduce a waterproof unit at what? the same price as the impact? same price as the equinox? Will Nokta announce just before the Equinox release to try and 'reserve' a few potential customers? lets face it, Minelab are quite a formidable competitor.
    Anyway, can't wait!

    Chub

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    Well its out and Minelab may get some pre orders cancelled. WE live in a world of instant gratification, like it or not that is the way it is these days. People are saying I want what I want and I want it NOW!
    I think the timing of this release is perfect, at least for Nokta/Makro. When you throw in the fact that the Kruzer has a deeper submersible depth as well as a higher IP rating I think it will sway more than a few water users.

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    New Makro/Nokta detector release in 2018?

    Quote Originally Posted by chub View Post
    Its a tricky market to be in right now with the equinox release...at the same price point as the impact...then to introduce a waterproof unit at what? the same price as the impact? same price as the equinox? Will Nokta announce just before the Equinox release to try and 'reserve' a few potential customers? lets face it, Minelab are quite a formidable competitor.
    Anyway, can't wait!

    Chub
    Exactly. I don't see these units surviving at the same price point. They are nice, but a little late on the scene. With the Equinox 600 at $649 and offering more, not to mention the 800, these machines would likely only survive at $550 or less. And now what they've done especially with the Multi-Kruzer is push the At series and the MX Sport even further down the scale. I can't even imagine what price point the AT Max and MX Sport would survive at now...$450 maybe? If the Equinox is all it's cracked up to be, and it sure sounds like it is, prices will shuffle across the board as new hierarchies are established in the waterproof and multi market. CTX-3030 - Equinox - Kruzer - MX Sport/AT Max - AT Pro...can't charge the same for them all with such a disparity in ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ☠ Cipher View Post
    Exactly. I don't see these units surviving at the same price point. They are nice, but a little late on the scene. With the Equinox 600 at $649 and offering more, not to mention the 800, these machines would likely only survive at $550 or less. And now what they've done especially with the Multi-Kruzer is push the At series and the MX Sport even further down the scale. I can't even imagine what price point the AT Max and MX Sport would survive at now...$450 maybe? If the Equinox is all it's cracked up to be, and it sure sounds like it is, prices will shuffle across the board as new hierarchies are established in the waterproof and multi market. CTX-3030 - Equinox - Kruzer - MX Sport/AT Max - AT Pro...can't charge the same for them all with such a disparity in ability.
    I tried to create some interest in the MD forum here about the kruzer and even bumped it but there was practically no response. I couldn't agree more with the above. Pricepoint is everything.

    Chub

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    Quote Originally Posted by ☠ Cipher View Post
    Exactly. I don't see these units surviving at the same price point. They are nice, but a little late on the scene. With the Equinox 600 at $649 and offering more, not to mention the 800, these machines would likely only survive at $550 or less. And now what they've done especially with the Multi-Kruzer is push the At series and the MX Sport even further down the scale. I can't even imagine what price point the AT Max and MX Sport would survive at now...$450 maybe? If the Equinox is all it's cracked up to be, and it sure sounds like it is, prices will shuffle across the board as new hierarchies are established in the waterproof and multi market. CTX-3030 - Equinox - Kruzer - MX Sport/AT Max - AT Pro...can't charge the same for them all with such a disparity in ability.
    They could raise the AT prices and Garrett fanboys would still splurge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighVDI View Post
    They could raise the AT prices and Garrett fanboys would still splurge.
    I think you're correct. Loyalist have been keeping the companies that are behind afloat and allowing them to get away with bad habits, subpar performance, and the keepers of the faith even guard the portals insisting they have superior machines when someone gives an honest assessment of their limitations. USA companies have some stepping up to do. First step is admitting there's a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ☠ Cipher View Post
    Exactly. I don't see these units surviving at the same price point. They are nice, but a little late on the scene. With the Equinox 600 at $649 and offering more, not to mention the 800, these machines would likely only survive at $550 or less. And now what they've done especially with the Multi-Kruzer is push the At series and the MX Sport even further down the scale. I can't even imagine what price point the AT Max and MX Sport would survive at now...$450 maybe? If the Equinox is all it's cracked up to be, and it sure sounds like it is, prices will shuffle across the board as new hierarchies are established in the waterproof and multi market. CTX-3030 - Equinox - Kruzer - MX Sport/AT Max - AT Pro...can't charge the same for them all with such a disparity in ability.
    I think you have to understand your target audience.

    I do not see the Equinox being better in dense iron then the Multi Kruzer, Nokta/Makro set the bar very high with their world class target separation and ability to work dense iron. I have no doubt that there will be areas where both machines will excel.

    At this point the Garrett ATP and ATM have been seriously demoted, but with all the TV programs and Youtube sponsorship that Garrett spends $$$$$ on, it'll be enough to keep them making a tidy profit.

    When I was younger I used to think the best (fill in the blank) would always win, but marketing is a powerful thing. In my lifetime I've seen plenty of inferior products outsell superior products due to outstanding branding and marketing strategies, price doesn't always dictate success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal_Cobra View Post
    I think you have to understand your target audience.

    I do not see the Equinox being better in dense iron then the Multi Kruzer, Nokta/Makro set the bar very high with their world class target separation and ability to work dense iron. I have no doubt that there will be areas where both machines will excel.

    At this point the Garrett ATP and ATM have been seriously demoted, but with all the TV programs and Youtube sponsorship that Garrett spends $$$$$ on, it'll be enough to keep them making a tidy profit.

    When I was younger I used to think the best (fill in the blank) would always win, but marketing is a powerful thing. In my lifetime I've seen plenty of inferior products outsell superior products due to outstanding branding and marketing strategies, price doesn't always dictate success.
    Regarding unmasking and non-ferrous target separation. I think it will be a close call based on the recovery speed that Equinox is bringing to the table, but I did see your Kruzer video and was mighty impressed with the Kruzer performance. Can't get an appreciation for the "sweet" tones you say you were experiencing from the video (it is hard for that nuance to come across in video audio) but the targets spoke for themselves. I am a Deus user, and the separation and unmasking capabilities are like a laser pointer. Very interested in how the Equinox and Kruzer square off in this regard.

    Can you elaborate a little more on the unmasking capabilities of the Nokta line, especially the Kruzer (I noticed a note on one of the brochures mentioning fastest recovery in 3 tone mode). Does recovery on the Kruzer vary depending on which tone mode you are in? Also, if you could shed some light on the differences you noticed between the Multi Kruzer and the Impact (aside from the obvious, stem, controls, upper frequency, waterproof - looking more at performance and modes), that would be appreciated.

    Thanks.
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    I would also like to know what the significant differences are between the impact and the kruzer. Is it the rolling tone that makes the iron / unmasking so much better than other machines? Its early days but right now on paper I just cant see the advantage of the impact over the kruzer? or am I missing something?

    Chub

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    Quote Originally Posted by ☠ Cipher View Post
    Exactly. I don't see these units surviving at the same price point...CTX-3030 - Equinox - Kruzer - MX Sport/AT Max - AT Pro...can't charge the same for them all with such a disparity in ability.
    There's always the Tesoro Cortes at $849. I can't image they sell any at that price. It's an awesome $300 detector, but at $849 it is sorely lacking in almost every way by modern standards.
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