Opinions on these please

[captain redbeard]

These are 2 pieces I came across when first getting into artifact hunting. They were posted before, but with other artifacts as "what is it".
This is one of the first stones I picked up thinking it might be an artifact. Haven't seen anything similar to this before, but it really looks to be a multi-tool.
My reasoning- The groove is a worn groove not a tractor mark. There are tractor marks on it, one going across the groove, shaft smoother?. The other part looks like 2 breaks, but you can see the 2 straight lines in the breaks. Those lines go well below where the fracture would be from the break, i tried taking a side view showing the line depth, sharpener?. Also seems there was something over the top side of this stone and not the bottom.

This other stone is a piece of quartz. I find all kinds of quarts field walking, but never smooth and round like this.
No way of telling if its native or not, but sure seems it was smoothed by a person.
Thanks for looking!

 

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[captain redbeard]

Couple didnt make it in first post

 

[justonemore]

Maybe, but would the grooves be curved if used as a shaft straightener? More than likely farm machinery damage. The quartz piece is a cool find but that could be natural too. Those glaciers did some pretty amazing things to the rocks caught up in them. When in doubt I have a nice rock pile in the flower garden with a whole lot of maybes !

 

[Mrdigz]

Just rocks, but I would've picked up The Grooved stone as well but wouldn't hold on to it. HH!

 

[Peyton Manning]

since you asked for opinions
I don't see anything they could be used for
so I'm voting natural

 

[captain redbeard]

thanks guys

 

[quito]

I don't know much about quartz and what it looks like polished or how often it was shaped and polished, but to me the piece looks like something that could have been leather wrapped and halfted to a stick and used to knock things in the head. How big is it?

 

[captain redbeard]

I was thinking a smoother/abrader and sharpener as said before. I have seen many tractor marks none that make a round groove straight through like that which is why I referenced the normal tractor mark that goes across that groove. Also didn't mention that the side of the break closest to the groove is smoothed/flattened which is why I think it was a sharpener, perhaps after forming a couple grooves too deep they broke of a little bit and kept on using it which would make sense for the 2 straight lines that go well below the fracture. My imagination isn't anything like it was when first starting into this hobby, this one is just hard for me to wrap my head around.

Same for the quartz. I'm not a geologist, but I keep most quartz pieces I find and see quartz a LOT walking fields...never have I seen anything remotely smoothed or round like this throughout the whole stone. 1.58in/40mm long .96in/24.5mm wide in the middle. its almost a triangular shape as one of the long sides is pretty flat.

Thanks for the input guys

 

[weasel1000]

um, i see the Solved "stamp"..... does that mean we can't opine? Should i be permitted to, i can say that i have a few quartz pieces like yours, some portions of them are slick and shiny from (i would guess) eons of hand use. When i hold them up to bright light, i can see notable opacity on the "business" end.... are they concussion fractures ? don't know the technical term, but one end was used to beat on other rocks and, because of that, the area was no longer translucent. Mine have also got "divots" out of them at appropriate places where your fingers naturally grip. In playing with the items, over time, they really can "speak" to you.... you find little details as mentioned that give you a full picture of what the thing was used for. I didn't know that some of my pestles were pestles until i studied them at length and saw that the bottom was worn slick from grinding, there were very obvious finger holds, and one whole side of the pestle was shiny as well (from turning the tool on its side, using it "rolling pin" style).

 

[captain redbeard]

Yea I have found pieces with divots mainly hammer/nutting stones, but I didn't think to shine a bright light through it. there aren't any divots that I can see and one end of the quartz has a slight flattened spot where its a little scruffed up, but its not glaring. Spots where there seem to have been fractures/pits seem to be have smoothed over.

 

[rock]

Dang now those I would of brought home to for study. I think I would just hang onto them if it were me. I have a few pieces mixed into my other things that could go either way.

 

[captain redbeard]

yea I plan on hanging on to these rock