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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.B. View Post
    The beginning of the story actually starts at the beginning- burying a treasure.

    It would have taken a hundred people to dig as deep as they believe the treasure is, with the technology of the time.
    Most of the treasure hunters had the same tech. ie shovels and picks. It did not take Dan 'hundreds' of people to dig 10X

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    This shaft was dug in the 1860's without modern tech.

    I do not know why people think it is that difficult to dig a 100+ ft hole

    Fred Nolan theory has British naval engineers and soldiers behind the pit. I am sure they would of been able to do this without much trouble

    (I am not saying I believe the money pit legend but to claim it could not have been done is not true....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzahk View Post
    There is no way to know really....
    Sure there is. It's called "the preponderance of evidence". And it points to "no"

    Quote Originally Posted by gazzahk View Post
    .... I find the descendants claim credible that three chests were found... (Discussed in detail in other thread).....
    I confess to not following the "other thread" you allude to. But you have to promise, that if I show other "credible" and/or "more plausible" explanations to the claims, that you will concede that point. Otherwise, it's like trying to prove that "invisible leprechauns don't exist under your bed" type of thing. Agreed ?




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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.B. View Post
    The beginning of the story actually starts at the beginning- burying a treasure.

    It would have taken a hundred people to dig as deep as they believe the treasure is, with the technology of the time.

    From that, the hundreds of starving and broke people would have to leave the treasure in place while living out a paupers life cold and hungry.

    Then, hundreds of people would have had to remain silent until all of them died without showing anyone, telling anyone, or passing along where it was all the time knowing where their wealth and salvation was buried.

    But they did, before leaving in hunger, carve out maps, symbols, and clues to where it was for others to someday solve.

    ...really?
    Well gee, of COURSE that's what happened. Prove it DIDN'T G.I.B. !! Afterall, they had to bury it deep enough that the metal detectors enthusiasts of the 1700's didn't come find it.

    The fellows in the 1700s no doubt got on the internet, determined that the deepest detectors available at that time, could go XX # of feet deep, on an XX sized object. Thus it's merely a matter of digging a slightly deeper pit than that ! Makes perfect sense to me !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Sure there is. It's called "the preponderance of evidence". And it points to "no"

    I confess to not following the "other thread" you allude to. But you have to promise, that if I show other "credible" and/or "more plausible" explanations to the claims, that you will concede that point. Otherwise, it's like trying to prove that "invisible leprechauns don't exist under your bed" type of thing. Agreed ?
    I am very interested in the legend and would like to believe I am open minded so would be very appreciative to see any evidence that you can offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzahk View Post
    Most of the treasure hunters had the same tech. ie shovels and picks. It did not take Dan 'hundreds' of people to dig 10X




    This shaft was dug in the 1860's without modern tech.

    I do not know why people think it is that difficult to dig a 100+ ft hole

    Fred Nolan theory has British naval engineers and soldiers behind the pit. I am sure they would of been able to do this without much trouble

    (I am not saying I believe the money pit legend but to claim it could not have been done is not true....)
    Okay, so the same scenario, but change it to 10 people leaving a known treasure behind without saying anything to anyone and all of them keeping it a secret and not going back for it while living a crappy life.

    ... still Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.B. View Post
    Okay, so the same scenario, but change it to 10 people leaving a known treasure behind without saying anything to anyone and all of them keeping it a secret and not going back for it while living a crappy life.

    ... still Really?
    I will say I do not think the deep pit story is likely (my gut feeling is the descendents story is credible and is the source of the rest. ie people digging into a hole where treasure was already removed).

    However. There are other plausible arguments for the deep pit. The one I find most plausible is Fred Nolans ie rouge generals burying the treasure. They made it so difficult to get so that no of the individual soldiers/treasure hiders could just come back and get it themselves. Knowing it took a team of engineers/soldiers to recover the treasure.

    Quick broad outline of possible thinking :- This theory though would suggest the treasure only sat there for a very short time. ie the ships sailed up to Halifax. Were checked out and handed over some of the treasure. On the way back down the Generals come and recovered the rest they had hid in a place none could steel in the few weeks they had to go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzahk View Post
    ... I do not know why people think it is that difficult to dig a 100+ ft hole ...
    Quote Originally Posted by gazzahk View Post
    ... I am sure they would of been able to do this without much trouble ...

    I think you're confusing "impossible" with "difficult" and "trouble".
    Despite what you may think it's "difficult" and "troublesome" to dig a 100+ ft. hole with hand labor . No it's not "impossible". But please .... don't think for a moment that it's not difficult. It most certainly is !

    I can only conclude you've never been a bottle digger who goes to dig outhouse pits 12 ft. deep. Or a boot camp recruit digging foxholes, etc...

    I've dug beach pits here in CA (where we dig down 5 ft. on beach sand to reach bedrock, to find old silver coins. And trust me .... it's back-breaking ! The sand on the sides will keep caving in, such that you have to dig a cone-shaped hole to get deeper. And sure, you can argue wooden-wall side-supports, etc... But at what point do you abandon the "not difficult" notion, and veer to the "not impossible" stance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post

    I think you're confusing "impossible" with "difficult" and "trouble".
    Despite what you may think it's "difficult" and "troublesome" to dig a 100+ ft. hole with hand labor . No it's not "impossible". But please .... don't think for a moment that it's not difficult. It most certainly is !
    Then give the same a try it without leaving any evidence. No shoring, lining or dirt pile. Sure Welsh miners dig much deeper at that time. But look at the mines evidence that is/are still obvious today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post

    I think you're confusing "impossible" with "difficult" and "trouble".
    Despite what you may think it's "difficult" and "troublesome" to dig a 100+ ft. hole with hand labor . No it's not "impossible". But please .... don't think for a moment that it's not difficult. It most certainly is !

    I can only conclude you've never been a bottle digger who goes to dig outhouse pits 12 ft. deep. Or a boot camp recruit digging foxholes, etc...

    I've dug beach pits here in CA (where we dig down 5 ft. on beach sand to reach bedrock, to find old silver coins. And trust me .... it's back-breaking ! The sand on the sides will keep caving in, such that you have to dig a cone-shaped hole to get deeper. And sure, you can argue wooden-wall side-supports, etc... But at what point do you abandon the "not difficult" notion, and veer to the "not impossible" stance
    I never claimed it was not difficult... (Just meaning that modern equipment was not needed to do it)

    If there was a pit (once again not saying there was) the people that dug it wanted it to be difficult to get to.
    Last edited by gazzahk; Jan 05, 2017 at 09:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzahk View Post
    I am very interested in the legend and would like to believe I am open minded so would be very appreciative to see any evidence that you can offer.
    Ok, give me the link. And state here beforehand: "I ... gazzahk... being of sound mind and body, do hereby declare that if I can be shown how other explanation prevail more logically, that I too will see the light and dis-believe" Ok ? And by "... show explanation", this does not mean that you come back on and counter with silly explanations like "body doubles" and other wacky conspiracy theories.

    I am NOT going to go study these claims, if it boils down to "proving invisible leprechauns don't exist" under someone's bed. Do I have your promise ? If so, provide the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzahk View Post
    I never claimed it was not difficult... .
    SURE YOU DID. Here it is. Quoted straight from you. Read and weep:

    Quote Originally Posted by gazzahk View Post
    ... I do not know why people think it is that difficult to dig a 100+ ft hole ...
    Quote Originally Posted by gazzahk View Post
    ... I am sure they would of been able to do this without much trouble ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    SURE YOU DID. Here it is. Quoted straight from you. Read and weep:
    Ha ha.. So I stand corrected... Was difficult.. Was trouble.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Ok, give me the link. And state here beforehand: "I ... gazzahk... being of sound mind and body, do hereby declare that if I can be shown how other explanation prevail more logically, that I too will see the light and dis-believe" Ok ? And by "... show explanation", this does not mean that you come back on and counter with silly explanations like "body doubles" and other wacky conspiracy theories.

    I am NOT going to go study these claims, if it boils down to "proving invisible leprechauns don't exist" under someone's bed. Do I have your promise ? If so, provide the link.
    Sorry I am unsure what you are asking.. My view is based on the interview with the descendants and the referenced blog articles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzahk View Post
    .... . There are other plausible arguments for the deep pit. The one I find most plausible is Fred Nolans ie rouge generals burying the treasure. They made it so difficult to get so that no of the individual soldiers/treasure hiders could just come back and get it themselves. Knowing it took a team of engineers/soldiers to recover the treasure.....
    Interesting "reason why" explanation. But .... put yourself in the shoes of someone "hiding a treasure". If this was a problem, to keep others from "easily" retrieving it, then presto: Don't enlist those "other people's help". And simply bury it yourself. WITH NO ONE AROUND. Then you merely go 3 ft. deep, cover and fluff up the top, and presto, no one can see where you've dug.

    But let me guess: This was not possible d/t the "treasure" weighed 100 tons, hence needing 100 people. Right ? And the bars were not individual 1 lb. bars capable of being carried by a single person, one at a time. It was a single 100 ton bar (they had good smelter back in those days afterall), that needed those 100 people who couldn't be trusted.

    Something is telling me this is a giant game of "prove invisible leprechuans don't exist" game
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