The Curse of Oak Island - The last "great" treasure hunting show?

[Crow]

Many will seek few will succeed.

Dame fortune is very hard mistress to please. Even harder when searching for treasure.

Crow

 

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[Crow]

But no one can de-nigh they have milked Oak island no matter how ridiculous the theories are for all its worth.

I think with other stories producers cannot keep the momentum going to create a long term TV show like Oak Island, When Oak island was hitting its peak. Production companies flooded tnet looking to find another Oak Island. But none of them came close to have been milked as oak island has been.

Crow

 

[DaveVanP]

They ought to bring back the old Bill Burrud's "Treasure" show from the 1960's - it got me hooked on treasure hunting. Doing dramatizations or re-enactments of some of the stories of W.C. Jameson or J. Frank Dobie would be good, as well...

 

[BillA]

Thanks Crow... But a few coins is not really what i was talking about..

I was referring to "never work again" type riches.

But thanks for the share..

3 lines to dismiss Crow's commentary?
you might have to read a book, a lot of this happened before TV
it is totally apparent that you did not understand the story of Snow

But thanks for the share

edit: I understand that this is a thread about TV shows, not my concern
but some appalling 'reasoning' is being applied:
one's ignorance cannot be used as proof, of anything

I observe an outsider to the quest for information leading to....
and indeed there is an internal hierarchy based on knowledge, experience, and contacts
I am a 2 bit zero, but I've known 2 of these guys - both deceased
and there are some on this site
listening is good

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

We all had our reasons to be there. For many of us it was the mystery of buried treasure left behind from the notorious Pirate Edward “Ned” Low, who was reputed to have befriended local sailors, only to behead them and rob them of their riches. In the 1950′s a American treasure hunter and writer by the name of Edward Snow arrived on the island with a map which he believed was hand drawn by “Ned” himself. Before leaving Canada Snow was stopped by Canadian Customs Officers and $1100 worth of Gold coins were found in his presence which he claims to have unearthed on Isle Haute which were with the skeletal remains of a human. He was briefly held by officials and then free to go with his findings. There has never been documented evidence to show if Edward Snow had actually found the treasure or simply brought the coins to help boost his travel writing career which after this ordeal achieved incredible publicity and overnight fame.

https://www.greatearthexpeditions.com/isle-haute-bay-of-fundy-long-awaited-island-exploration/

 

[gazzahk]

3 lines to dismiss Crow's commentary?
you might have to read a book, a lot of this happened before TV
it is totally apparent that you did not understand the story of Snow

But thanks for the share

Sorry my intention was not to appear as if I dismissed Crows share. I actually appreciated his contribution. It just was not really what I was speaking about.

I meant fabled treasures more like these ones

https://www.history.com/news/6-famous-missing-treasures

If you know of lost fabled treasures that have been found by research I would also appreciate hearing about it.

 

[Crow]

Gidday amigos

Here is the customs document correspondence in regards to seizure of gold coins.



Here is a picture of the lighthouse keepers. They claimed they alerted Police when Snow broke his alleged agreement and did not give 10% them of what was found.



Here the Life magazine article. That mention 20 thousand was found years before.



For me that at least proves that the Lighthouse keepers must of known Snow had found treasure and reported him before he left Canada?

The following newspaper Examiner Tuesday 1 July 1952, page 6 reported....

Spanish Doubloons Recovered ADVOCATE, NOVA SCOTIA (A.A.P.).-A treasure-hunter has found eight Spanish doubloons and parts of a skeleton on tiny Isle Haute in the Bay of Fundy. 1R. Edward Rowe Snow, Massachusetts, an historian whose hobby is treasure hunting, made the find in a brief visit to the island on Thursday night.

He found the gold with the aid of a metal detector and old charts. The charts belonged to the late Dougal Carmichael Vancouver, who recovered some 20,000 dollars (about £R928) in buried treasure from the island from 1923 to 1936. Mr. Snow found parts of a skeleton near the gold.

It appeared that some of the coins had been clutched in the bones of the hand. One of the doubloons was dated 1710 and all bore the cross of the Holy Roman Empire. Mr. Snow said it was unlikely there was any sizable cache left on the island.



Crow

 

[gazzahk]

Thanks Crow.. One wonders what evidence the magazine is basing its claim on the 20,000 coins recovered earlier. 8 pieces of gold is not really much evidence of a significant find of pirate treasure..

 

[releventchair]

Thanks Crow... But a few coins is not really what i was talking about..

I was referring to "never work again" type riches.

But thanks for the share..

You really expect someone to retire never work again due to an acquisition of "treasure" ...And talk about it?

Drug dealers have been found out by being to obvious with acquisitions. After all , what do/did you do to come up with the wealth?

I'll give you part of a tale from the $$$ parrot.
The table covered with gold. The table was a respectable sized desk top.
There was more unrecovered.
I offered my services should help be needed for more recoveries (cause I'm just willing to be helpful sometimes) and was told there was no desire for more to be recovered after that initial lot which had been already recovered which covered , then crossed the table to become a different medium of exchange.

I can understand enough is enough. More so it was not my business what became of the unaccounted portion of the whole.
Curios what might become of it if not recovered in the next decade or two. And of course felt for it all hidden away in the dark all cold....
But anyways , the temporarily owner (and there were multiple owners over not that great an amount of time despite one extended period) that put it on the table didn't need to work again.
And should more be needed , I believe it would not have taken much to locate then recover more through that persons knowledge of it's source and sites location(s).

Was the media consulted? Absolutely 100% no way. What possible reason might there have been to tell anyone but the $$$ parrot?

How deep was the gold covering the table?
Who had hidden it?
In one place or multiple?
Where/general vicinity without giving it away/ county? (I was told the community. More than I would have divulged).

The $$$parrot changed locale not long after.
I sniffed the bird's new locale out to a specific , but have not revisited the $$$parrot. Someday maybe. I'll be announced and "authorized"/permitted before direct contact probably, as usual. But what will I be bringing to the table to make it worthwhile? One of us profits more than the other in our dealings. Even if it's only a small amount of the whole. It's worth it's (the $$parrots) gain , or it's not a deal.

Could you squeeze the $$$parrot to make it talk , you'd have your latest greatest treasure show. But for some reason , that's not gonna happen.
And that same reason is why (understandably) there's little in the way of factual fodder for treasure hunting shows with recoveries putting people into a life of leisure/no work type affairs. Though fairly , wealth/riches enough (?) is not always a reason to not "work".

 

[gazzahk]

You really expect someone to retire never work again due to an acquisition of "treasure" ...And talk about it?.

I said that as one of the reasons of no reports in an earlier post

That must mean either "These treasures do not exist" or "there is zero real evidence of where they are hidden" or "they have been found and spent with people keeping it a secret because they know the government will not let them keep it"

Still if it has been found and spent then doing research will not find it now.. So raising money to mount a search seems pretty futile based on what has been made public about all the searches for the type treasures. It is very difficult to believe there is a "missed" piece of evidence that exists that will show the location of one of the fabled hoards.

I never implied someone hasn't found some of these treasures...

I was commenting that a) No publicised searches have found them and b) No evidence has shown up which supports these things have been found..

The proposition of the thread was that the idea that "new' research would lead to these treasures being found seems unlikely.

If any are found it is more likely to be random chance (if these hoards still exist)

 

[gazzahk]

A further point re large scale publicised searches (Ie TV shows or similar) there are too many people involved to believe that one of these groups found a fabled missing treasure and no word got out..

I too 'think' some individuals have probably found some of these hoards. I live in Asia and it is a fairly wide held belief among many Phillipinos that Marcos wealth come from found plundered Japanese WWII gold hidden in the Philippines.

Although there is Zero actual evidence to support this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamashita's_gold

 

[gazzahk]

Another point to consider is that if peoples wealth come from crime then a claim of finding the wealth is a convenient excuse.. I am pretty sure we all did a bit of that as children ....

So when Imelda Marcos claimed that much of their wealth come from found treasure it was a better argument for her then saying it come from organised crime and corruption..

Even Oak Island it is possible the actual wealth of the supposed original finders was from crime and they leaked the treasure story to give an alternative explanation...

 

[releventchair]

Another point to consider is that if peoples wealth come from crime then a claim of finding the wealth is a convenient excuse.. I am pretty sure we all did a bit of that as children ....

So when Imelda Marcos claimed that much of their wealth come from found treasure it was a better argument for her then saying it come from organised crime and corruption..

Even Oak Island it is possible the actual wealth of the supposed original finders was from crime and they leaked the treasure story to give an alternative explanation...

Claiming great wealth came from a treasure trove requires evidence of taxes paid , or a reasoning taxes did not have to be paid. Let alone ownership disputes.
Not a good position to be in.
Meanwhile the "treasure" alarm is sounded and eyes are on ...You/the one claiming it was treasure that created wealth.
Now you're looking over your shoulder and suspicious of suspicious focus. Plus potential ner do wells .
Do you watch who follows you home and take evasive maneuvers to avoid being located by changing your route if suspicious?

I watched a gal one night. Worth at least a small fortune , but near terrified. Clutching her purse and almost holding her breath while trying to make eye contact , but not wanting to.
Her body language stood out. And I shouldn't have thought such but my impression was she feared being kidnapped or something.
That is no way to live. It was sure not being happy with what she had. I imagine a dull ache in the back of her head over "wealth" issues felt like a weight too.
The worst part about wealth has an old trend among some/many folks. How much wealth is enough?
And among those imbibed with a great windfall? There are cases that can be studied. Some who did poorly with little ended up right back down again.
I knew a case. Big hit at a casino.
Rather than pay off a modest (in relation to the windfall) debt on a mortgaged newer home and land , money went to elaborate toys and entertainment and rising to a newly perceived need of a living standard till it surprisingly quickly played out. The house was foreclosed on and lost to (taken away from) the big winner.
In the past decade we've crossed trails a couple times. I don't bring up the former "big money" part.....
More money would have only meant blowing through it at a higher scale. Do I doubt it? Not really.
How much is enough? It's not how much , as much what you/anyone does with it.
Easy to say I'd be frugal with a room full of treasure in my possession. (and I think I am , without such a room). But millions aren't that much if you spend more than millions.

 

[BillA]

got some TV critters here
last great treasure hunting show, what total poop - ONLY to box viewers

so do you want more TV shows or to know something about treasures found?
not the same thing (words vs action)

as rc has described above, you will meet no discreet finders
that leaves the hard-core, do you know any of these guys?

ok, a TV thread, I'll leave it be 0

 

[gazzahk]

The actual documented finds of large scale treasure are mostly just found by random chance as illustrated by this article

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/90883/7-biggest-treasure-troves-ever-found

None seem to be found by large well funded searches (land based there have been multiple shows finding treasure on shipwrecks).

This unopened tomb is expected to contain fabulous wealth (unless looters have already found a way in)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mausoleum_of_the_First_Qin_Emperor

These lost treasures https://www.livescience.com/60436-most-valuable-treasures-still-missing-lost.html you would think if they had been found given the unique nature of them and much of the value is as result of the fame that knowledge of the find would have gotten out.

The premise behind this thread is that it is unlikely that a large well funded search following the evidence will recover these treasures. It seems unlikely that there is an "overlooked" piece of evidence or old map that shows where these treasures are located. Given how many people have looked for them if they have not been looted I would think only random chance would find them.

A TV show that is supposedly following new evidence is more likely to be fiction than fact I would think.

The possible exception I guess would be new technology like the sonic mapping (This seems to have great promise of finding things buried to deep for conventual searches). However once again I have not heard that is has resulted in any hidden treasure finds.

For example this show "Death Road to Fortune " were they were looking for hidden treasure buried in caves underground maybe this tech could show something. Although in my view it is probable if that treasure did exist it was found and spent years ago.

When the Curse of Oak Island started I believed that treasure may exist on Oak Island. I feel that at least Rick did also. By the end of season 5 they had all realised that the money in TV treasure hunting show was ratings and advertising dollars.

 

[Bruce R]

The Curse of Oak Island - The last "great" treasure hunting show?

Personally I truly believe there’s lots of treasure out there to be found but nowadays it’s located somewhere that’s inaccessible to the average guy like me. If you fall out of the sky and land on the ground and look around , you’re looking at someone else’s property, and anything hidden there belongs to them. Nowadays it seems like you need to be fairly wealthy to go treasure hunting. I work 5 days a week, so I’m limited to the weekends. Financially I’m pretty much limited to wherever I can drive to on said weekend and still have time for the hunt. I’d love to go to Florida and metal detect that beach where that Spanish shipwreck stuff washes up, but time wise and money wise it’s out of my reach. So, I guess if I was wealthy enough to actively go treasure hunting, I probably wouldn’t bother unless I was simply bored with absolutely everything else.

 

[KANACKI]

The actual documented finds of large scale treasure are mostly just found by random chance as illustrated by this article

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/90883/7-biggest-treasure-troves-ever-found

None seem to be found by large well funded searches (land based there have been multiple shows finding treasure on shipwrecks).

This unopened tomb is expected to contain fabulous wealth (unless looters have already found a way in)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mausoleum_of_the_First_Qin_Emperor

These lost treasures https://www.livescience.com/60436-most-valuable-treasures-still-missing-lost.html you would think if they had been found given the unique nature of them and much of the value is as result of the fame that knowledge of the find would have gotten out.

The premise behind this thread is that it is unlikely that a large well funded search following the evidence will recover these treasures. It seems unlikely that there is an "overlooked" piece of evidence or old map that shows where these treasures are located. Given how many people have looked for them if they have not been looted I would think only random chance would find them.

A TV show that is supposedly following new evidence is more likely to be fiction than fact I would think.

The possible exception I guess would be new technology like the sonic mapping (This seems to have great promise of finding things buried to deep for conventual searches). However once again I have not heard that is has resulted in any hidden treasure finds.

For example this show "Death Road to Fortune " were they were looking for hidden treasure buried in caves underground maybe this tech could show something. Although in my view it is probable if that treasure did exist it was found and spent years ago.

When the Curse of Oak Island started I believed that treasure may exist on Oak Island. I feel that at least Rick did also. By the end of season 5 they had all realised that the money in TV treasure hunting show was ratings and advertising dollars.

Hola Amigo

thank you for your interesting comments but amigo there parts I have beg to differ.

Yes the vast majority is by chance but amigo that article does not get in details of those discoveries. Many detectorists research past finds maps and research areas where there is more likelihood of making a discovery. One such treasure hunter has over the years made two big finds by employing the methods. of using archeological data and settlement patterns google earth and local traditional legends to help pinpoint locations that may yield treasure. Then they have to get permission off the land holder. So amigo there is a little more than just pooping up and detecting.

None seem to be found by large well funded searches (land based there have been multiple shows finding treasure on shipwrecks).

One thing amigo ocean is technically not part of private ownership. Land some one always own the land. Two: Some times the best funded project just cannot get legal access the area they need to search.

Shipwreck searches amigo are very different as you do not have complex land access issues. However they have their very different problems. So its a very different kettle of fish so to speak.

The premise behind this thread is that it is unlikely that a large well funded search following the evidence will recover these treasures. It seems unlikely that there is an "overlooked" piece of evidence or old map that shows where these treasures are located. Given how many people have looked for them if they have not been looted I would think only random chance would find them.



There are no guarantees I agree but I know for fact many documents are overlooked there are many records out there. Many people have searched but what many fail doing is understanding how much archival research you really have to do. Each university each archive around the world has different indexing systems and catalogue. A bewildering array of archives of millions of documents to search. That is an enormous time consuming task amigo.

But some times amazing documents turn up amigo. Like the one below.



Even then you have confrontations with legal issues according the laws of country and state involves. permission. Access to land in question and raft of legal challenges by the academic profession screaming cultural patrimony.

TV treasure hunting shows never do proper research as it costs them too much that why they cherry pick stuff off the net to weave a treasure hunter story.

The possible exception I guess would be new technology like the sonic mapping (This seems to have great promise of finding things buried to deep for conventual searches). However once again I have not heard that is has resulted in any hidden treasure finds.


I am skeptical of such claims but I admit I am not tech savvy enough to collaborate such claims.

For example this show "Death Road to Fortune " were they were looking for hidden treasure buried in caves underground maybe this tech could show something. Although in my view it is probable if that treasure did exist it was found and spent years ago.


Your 100% correct there amigo. It was a treasure hunting fantasy weaved from cherry picked comments posted by Crow and others at tnet. Those who had really been to site in quest was totally astounded by the BS promoted on the show. The only research done was reading comment on tnet. Then hired actors to play out the fantasy.

Graham Cork expose treasure quest who made snake island crap. The Scambaya Death Road to Fortune was from the same producers all lies. A scripted fantasy....


When the Curse of Oak Island started I believed that treasure may exist on Oak Island. I feel that at least Rick did also. By the end of season 5 they had all realised that the money in TV treasure hunting show was ratings and advertising dollars

It was always a TV treasure hunting show whose treasure is ratings and advertising dollars from day one. 200 hundred years of speculation a dirty muddy hole and no document evidence that any treasure existed was a perfect model for a fantasy treasure hunting show.

I think you have to separate real treasure hunting and treasure hunting TV shows. Two different beasts amigo.

Kanacki

 

[gazzahk]

Thank you for the thoughtful response Kanacki...

 

[Crow]

Gidday Gazzahk

One of greatest treasure discoveries in history was done by a person passionate just about his search.

Around the turn of the 20th century, the American Theodore M. Davis had the excavation permit in the valley, and his team (led mostly by Edward R. Ayrton) discovered several royal and non-royal tombs (including KV43, KV46 and KV57). In 1907 they discovered the possible Amarna Period cache in KV55. After finding what they thought was all that remained of the burial of Tutankhamun (items recovered from KV54 and KV58), it was announced that the valley was completely explored and no further burials were to be found, in Davis's 1912 publication, The Tombs of Harmhabi and Touatânkhamanou; the book closes with the comment, "I fear that the Valley of Kings is now exhausted."[SUP]
So contemporary Archeologists in USA and UK fell into line behind the eminent well respected academic professor that there was nothing to be found?

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[SUP]After Davis's death early in 1915 Lord Carnarvon acquired the concession to excavate the valley and he employed Carter to explore it. Most university trained archeologists had their noses out of joint. Because he had employed Howard Carter.

[/SUP][SUP]Carter spent much of his childhood with relatives in the Norfolk market town of Swaffham, the birthplace of both his parents.Receiving only limited formal education at Swaffham, he showed talent as an artist. He never had any formal training as archeologist except for some work experience he had down prior to him being engaged to search the valley of kings by Lord Carnarvon.

For most archeological elite institutions his peers looked at the whole project just another english lord with his hired hand Carter chasing rainbows. After all the preeminent Archeologists of the day had already came to the conclusion. [/SUP]
[SUP]that fell into line behind the eminent well respected academic professor that there was nothing to be found?

But carter as passionate as ever worked on even when his patron was almost ready to give up.
[/SUP]After a systematic search Carter discovered the actual tomb of Tutankhamun (KV62) in November 1922.And rest is history. One of greatest discoveries on treasure in history in spite of the Academic snobbery he faced.
[SUP] [/SUP]
[SUP]Despite the significance of his archaeological find, Carter received no honour from the British government.Nothing from universities archeological departments or institutions or British museum. However, in 1926, he received the Order of the Nile, third class, from King Fuad I of Egypt. He was also awarded an honorary degree of Doctor of Science by Yale University and honorary membership in the Real Academia de la Historia of Madrid, Spain.

[/SUP][SUP]Carter died at his London flat at 49 Albert Court, next to the Royal Albert Hall, on 2 March 1939, aged 64 from Hodgkin's Disease. He was buried in Putney Vale Cemetery in London on 6 March, nine people attending his funeral.None from the universities and Archeological departments. Such was the academic snobbery of the day which is still present today.

[/SUP][SUP]Probate was granted on 5 July 1939 to Egyptologist Henry Burton and to publisher Bruce Sterling Ingram. Carter is described as Howard Carter of Luxor, Upper Egypt, Africa, and of 49 Albert Court, Kensington Grove, Kensington, London. His estate was valued at £2,002.

The second grant of Probate was issued in Cairo on 1 September 1939. In his role as executor, Burton identified at least 18 items in Carter's antiquities collection that had been taken from Tutankhamun's tomb without authorisation. As this was a sensitive matter that could affect Anglo-Egyptian relations, Burton sought wider advice, finally recommending that the items be discreetly presented or sold to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, with most eventually going either there or to the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.The Metropolitan Museum items were later returned to Egypt.

So amigos there you have it a researched planed search that led to treasure. for a lost tomb of the child king. That ended in one of biggest treasure finds in history. And sadly the discoverer got very little from all the years of toil.

There is lesson there amigo if you did find treasure out side of circle of academic elite you will be castigated as a evil treasure hunter stealing and profiteering from cultural patrimony. No government fearful of scandal with ever officially do a deal in public that would put them in a political embarrassing position regardless of how much treasure you found.

So isn't any wonder some things fly under the radar? Perhaps better in some respects for the finder. Perhaps better let some things stay a legend amigos.

psssss want to buy some silver?



Crow
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[BillA]

Hi Kanacki, don't get the impression that there are doers/buyers here, seem to be watchers

Crow, sorry