Jack Ma defends Alibaba amid fakes row

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jack-ma-defends-alibaba-amid-fakes-row-052102211--finance.html

Hong Kong (AFP) - Alibaba founder Jack Ma has defended his company's reputation after authorities accused it of allowing "illegal" actions on its multi-billion-dollar online shopping platform, saying he does not want it to be seen as a hub for fake products.

The Chinese billionaire spoke out after a powerful Beijing regulator delivered an unusual dressing down of the prominent company, publishing a survey saying only about a third of products sampled from Alibaba's consumer-to-consumer marketplace Taobao were genuine.

"We don't want (to be) misunderstood by the world that we are not transparent. We don't want (to be) misunderstood by the world that Taobao is a platform for selling fake products," Ma said late Monday on a visit to Hong Kong.

In rare public criticism of a domestic firm, the State Administration for Industry & Commerce (SAIC) last week accused Alibaba of allowing "illegal operations" to flourish on its websites, and told its executives to "overcome arrogance."

The SAIC, charged with maintaining market order in China, took aim at Taobao -- which is estimated to hold more than 90 percent of the domestic market -- as well as Tmall.com, a business-to-consumer platform.

Ma said Monday that the company is listening to regulators and pushing for change, adding that the e-commerce giant has sent 400 people to jail for selling fake products.

"Doing business anywhere with any regulatory (bodies) you will have a problem, you have to talk, communicate, listen, change and push. This is what we are doing," Ma said.

The comments come after Ma met on Friday with SAIC director Zhang Mao, which could signal a de-escalation of the dispute.

Alibaba is often described as the Chinese version of eBay, but it surpassed the US company in China more than a decade ago, essentially forcing it to retreat in the Chinese market.

Ma, a former English teacher, regained the title of Asia's richest man with the anticipated listing of his firm's Zhejiang Ant Small and Micro Financial Services Group, worth $50 billion, Bloomberg News reported.

The financial services firm is mulling a private share sale before an IPO in 2016, Bloomberg reported, citing sources familiar with the company.

Ma said Monday it was "still a bit early" to reveal detailed plans for the company known as Ant Financial, but indicated that a listing for this year was off the cards.

Ma and Hong Kong tycoon Li Ka-shing have been vying for the title of the richest man in Asia in the past couple of months, with Li losing the title in December after holding it since 2012.
 

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I have seen fake one ounce bars for sale at more than one local shop in the past. I have learned to keep my mouth shut and not try to tell them that a bar or two looks suspect in that one time I alerted the staff and they didn't seem to like what I was saying and did not remove said bars. I won't say what type of bars but I had bought some from them and I knew they were fake once I got them home and clancked them together. Fortunately they did let me exchange the ones I bought for Eagles (plus extra premium) after I complained a bit. So I don't know if they were being crooked or where dumb? Some of the best looking fakes I have seen were Johnson Matthey one ouncers in individual plastic cases and Pan American one ouncers also in plastic cases. China is pumping these out by the boat load so I am sure many unsuspecting folks have bought these over the past few years depending on where they buy their metals.

I saw a fake one ounce silver towne bar not too long ago a dealer showed me and it was a crappy fake in that the weight was off, the bar was too thick and the width was too thin compared to the real ones. Unfortunately for him one of his employees bought some over the counter and didn't catch it.

Fortunately all the gov bullion coin fakes I've seen in silver have been very crude looking and easy to detect. Not so much with the bars.

Just my opinion.

Jim
 

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I have seen fake one ounce bars for sale at more than one local shop in the past. I have learned to keep my mouth shut and not try to tell them that a bar or two looks suspect in that one time I alerted the staff and they didn't seem to like what I was saying and did not remove said bars. I won't say what type of bars but I had bought some from them and I knew they were fake once I got them home and clancked them together. Fortunately they did let me exchange the ones I bought for Eagles (plus extra premium) after I complained a bit. So I don't know if they were being crooked or where dumb? Some of the best looking fakes I have seen were Johnson Matthey one ouncers in individual plastic cases and Pan American one ouncers also in plastic cases. China is pumping these out by the boat load so I am sure many unsuspecting folks have bought these over the past few years depending on where they buy their metals.

I saw a fake one ounce silver towne bar not too long ago a dealer showed me and it was a crappy fake in that the weight was off, the bar was too thick and the width was too thin compared to the real ones. Unfortunately for him one of his employees bought some over the counter and didn't catch it.

Fortunately all the gov bullion coin fakes I've seen in silver have been very crude looking and easy to detect. Not so much with the bars.

Just my opinion.

Jim

And That's Why You Need One Of These. Lol and Yes I Have One and They Work Great

 

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And That's Why You Need One Of These. Lol and Yes I Have One and They Work Great

That doesn't seem realistic for the majority of us. The end of the video says the price point is $600-700 dollars? Is that right?

There is a little slide table verifier at a 45 degree angle that costs like $30 that can spot fake silver just as quick....I am uncertain about other metals though.
 

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That doesn't seem realistic for the majority of us. The end of the video says the price point is $600-700 dollars? Is that right?

There is a little slide table verifier at a 45 degree angle that costs like $30 that can spot fake silver just as quick....I am uncertain about other metals though.

A The Slide, I have one of those also. I was one of the first to buy on ebay and I made a video of it which is long gone now.
 

jim4silver

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Here is a video that shows just how good some of the "fakes" appear. Too bad because Silvertowne bars with the miner were my favorite private minted bars a year or so ago.





Here is another video on same type of bar.





Jim
 

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Yea Jim some scary **** out there. That's why I buy my SilverTowne Bars from SilverTowne and my Verifier has no problem catching the fakes. Keep Stacking
 

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Yea Jim some scary **** out there. That's why I buy my SilverTowne Bars from SilverTowne and my Verifier has no problem catching the fakes. Keep Stacking

Charlie,

Do you know if the Verifier will work with gold and silver coins slabbed like by NGC and PCGS, etc? That would be a great way to know your encapsulated coin is 100% the real deal without having to crack it out of the slab.


Jim
 

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Yes Jim, the Verifier works well with slabbed coins. It's a neat item. I just received mine back from a friend that I loaned it to, to check his stack.
 

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