State Acquisitions

itmaiden

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Hi All,

Thought it would give us all greater insight to examine more closely what the state you are in has "acquired".
So if your state has "state parks", "preserves", Esturaries, or some similar acquisition and you feel it is really because there is an archaeological or historical site there, then please list what you factually have. Please provide appropriate links to your information if possible.

I am going to start this out by listing some information from the NE Florida area. I started with Washington Gardens State Park, but found there were a number of sites under an umbrella area for the state which are connected. So here is some data to start with:

Washington Oaks Gardens State Park (Note: this is a government document)

[[url]http://www.nerrs.noaa.gov/Doc/PDF/Reserve/GTM_SiteProfile.pdf
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Fort Matanzas National Monument is managed and protected by the US National Park Service. The original national monument site consisted of only the fort on Rattlesnake Island, northwest of the Matanzas Inlet. Through the years, however, the National Park Service has been able to acquire additional land both on Rattlesnake and Anastasia Island and begin to set aside a slice of an intact barrier island ecosystem.

[Now I want to make a comment here regarding Rattlesnake Island. The State of Florida was considering using it for "development" and sent a state archie out there, who claimed he did not find any archaeological/or historical evidence at all by surface search or post hole examinations. Yet, in this document, it states that the original Fort Matanzas was a wooden structure on this Island...a contradiction with the archie]

The GTMNERR region is of special sociological and archeological interest because of the comprehensive documentary record of human settlement and landscape modifications.

There are detailed records commencing in the mid-sixteenth century of Native American, Spanish, French, British and American inhabitants and their cultures.

A total of 22 recorded archaeological sites occur within the boundaries of the area directly managed by the Reserve. Known sites include a burial mound, numerous shell middens, a Spanish mission (probably La Natividad de Nuestra Senora de Tolomato), and homestead sites from the British, Second Spanish and Territorial Periods (Newman 1995).

Other areas of exceptional historical significance within the GTMNERR include

• Faver-Dykes State Park has five identified sites with artifacts from the full range of cultural periods: Orange, St. Johns, Saint Augustine and Second Spanish from the Hepworth Carter Plantation site.
• Washington Oaks Gardens State Park has several nineteenth and early twentieth century sites associated with the Bella Vista Plantation, as well as sites associated with the ornamental gardens dating from the late 1930s--1950s. In addition the area has several middens in fair to good condition.
• Princess Place Preserve has Florida’s oldest commercial orange groves planted in the early 1800’s. The land is part of the original land grant from the Spanish Government in the late 1700’s; it may be the only contiguous land grant remaining from that time period. The site contains one of Florida’s first in-ground swimming pools.
• Matanzas Inlet, at Fort Matanzas National Monument, was the scene of crucial events in Spanish colonial history. The defeat of French soldiers here in 1565 initiated Spain’s establishment of its first permanent colony in Florida. The construction of Fort Matanzas in 1740-42 was Spain’s attempt to stop British encroachments on St. Augustine (Smith 2006).

Underwater archeological resources in the GTMNERR are lesser known. A systematic maritime archaeological survey in St. Augustine waters was conducted by Southern Oceans Archaeological Research, Inc between 1994 and 1997, and focused on locating offshore shipwrecks surrounding St. Augustine's inlet (Franklin and Morris 1996). The most significant discovery of this survey was the shipwreck Industry, a British supply ship lost May 6, 1764. This wreck remains the oldest yet located in St. Augustine's waters (Morris et al. 1998). The St. Augustine Lighthouse and Museum began funding maritime archaeology in St. Johns County, in 1997, and in 1999, established the Lighthouse Archaeological Maritime Program, or LAMP. In both 2007 and 2009 the GTMNERR co-sponsored, along with LAMP, the Annual Northeast Florida Symposium on Underwater Maritime Archaeology, a symposium on underwater archaeology to bring together experts in this field and to promote collaboration on future research and educational initiatives within the Reserve.
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itmaiden,

add to your list:

GTMNERR took over Guana River / Dam , and the 3 parking lots along A1A.
That was a State Park a long time ago.. GTMNERR is funded by: DEP, NOAA , Private Donations.
 

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itmaiden

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I saw those others spoken of and I find it interesting that some of these sites are "National". The NOAA and the private donations are surprising. I will do some more looking into this.

What I want to know is just "HOW MUCH", land or waterways the gov't is allowed to take for state parks, preserves etc ? I am sure if there is a limit that Florida is WAY OVER !

itmaiden

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itmaiden,

add to your list:

GTMNERR took over Guana River / Dam , and the 3 parking lots along A1A.
That was a State Park a long time ago.. GTMNERR is funded by: DEP, NOAA , Private Donations.
 

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itmaiden,


It's all there, GTMNERR website; go to DEP homepage, look up "Guana state park", and report for 2009 to
2014 Plans in there to. and, Across the ICW, along the ICW. from the St. airport heading North, to stokeslanding'
there claiming that land to!!
 

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itmaiden

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Hey Look, DEP needs a "Park Naturalist" employee for Fort Clinch"! January 15th is the deadline for getting your application in.

https://jobs.myflorida.com/viewjob.html?optlink-view=view-426513&ERFormID=newjoblist&ERFormCode=any

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itmaiden,


It's all there, GTMNERR website; go to DEP homepage, look up "Guana state park", and report for 2009 to
2014 Plans in there to. and, Across the ICW, along the ICW. from the St. airport heading North, to stokeslanding'
there claiming that land to!!
 

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itmaiden

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Well it's all in the money and creating jobs for themselves while serving the "Global Gov't" agenda to control all lands and waterways so you have to "s" up to them for your basic living needs later down the line. I could say more but that is getting off on to other political things.

We un's treasure hunters have to work together to get more of the treasure into our hands than theirs. We work as teams and share, or be self centered like the ignorant Indians were and get defeated.

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Sapper23 said:
itmaiden,


It's all there, GTMNERR website; go to DEP homepage, look up "Guana state park", and report for 2009 to
2014 Plans in there to. and, Across the ICW, along the ICW. from the St. airport heading North, to stokeslanding'
there claiming that land to!!
 

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What kind of Indians? :lurk:
Hitchiti family today called Mikasukee are not actually Miccosukee.
Sorruque,(Sorroque), Tekoite,(Florida Historical Society :icon_scratch: ? about them), and the Tiacuma lived here.
Where ever the natives went away they just told whome they were visiting that they were "Hitchiti", "From the land where the sun comes from", East Coast of Georgia down to Cape Canaveral.
 

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Everything boils down to accountability. Somehow govt has morphed into a threatening thug that does not represent the people. History continues to cyclically repeat itself. We have a handful elitists telling everyone else that they 'know what's best'. History also has shown people tolerate ineffective govt for only so long.... Just keep making lists and embrace the second amendment. Because at the end of the day it's all about the people telling the govt what to do, not the govt telling the people what not to do.
 

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What can we do as a community to stop the taking over of land by the archeology community including the state and how do we take back what we have lost already?
 

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sabre15 said:
What can we do as a community to stop the taking over of land by the archeology community including the state and how do we take back what we have lost already?

I think Jesse Ventura would say something like 'Get Prepared' for what's coming....and yes, I believe history is repeating itself.
 

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We need to find out what the state and federal laws are in regards to how much land the gov't can acquire under such pretenses. That is part of the purpose of this thread...to identify what areas the gov't has acquired that have a specific connection to a potentially valuable site, whether we are looking at shipwrecks, settlements, buried treasure, gems, gold, other valuable minerals for industry etc. If this isn't nipped in the bud now, there won't be anything left at all for anyone but the gov't.

The gov't too often use universitie's or "organizations" of various sorts to back up their motives and agendas.

I do believe it is good to preserve certain sites for educational purposes for current and future generations. I do not think it necessary to ban treasure hunters from all of the state parks and preserves. as long as they don't tear up the place.

In Arkansas, some of the state parks are allowing TH's in the park but ONLY in the commonly used tourist areas and no other parts of the park. The one stipulation of the common areas, is if you find something that potentially belongs to someone else, you must make a diligent effort to locate the rightful owner. If no one comes forward to make a claim or has not reported the loss, then you may keep the item. Of course, the parks with the best TH potential are not the ones allowing THs.

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sabre15 said:
What can we do as a community to stop the taking over of land by the archeology community including the state and how do we take back what we have lost already?
 

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