Spain lets another galleon get ransacked

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Spain let's another galleon get ransacked

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España deja expoliar otro galeón
Los cazatesoros acechan el «San Francisco», que naufragó en Japón en 1609. Mientras, ni Cultura ni Exteriores han querido responder la petición de arqueólogos de la Universidad de Texas para investigar el pecio
PABLO M. DÍEZ / CORRESPONSAL EN PEKÍN
ABC, Día 17/09/2010



Por uno de esos accidentes de la Historia, un naufragio en el siglo XVII marcó un hito que ha perdurado hasta hoy en las relaciones entre España y Japón. Pero, por uno de esos despistes de la Historia, la pasividad de la Administración española para rescatar, o buscar, los restos de dicho hundimiento pueden minar los contactos culturales entre ambos países cuatro siglos después.
Corría el año del Señor de 1609 cuando la noche del 30 de septiembre el galeón español «San Francisco» encalló frente a las costas de la prefectura de Chiba, al este de Japón y a unos cien kilómetros de Tokio. La nave, que cubría la ruta de la seda, la porcelana, el oro y las especias entre Filpinas y Nueva España (México), se había desviado de su rumbo por un tifón que la separó de los otros dos galeones con los que viajaba y se fue a pique frente al pueblo de Onjuku.
De los 373 hombres de su tripulación, 317 sobrevivieron aferrándose durante toda la noche de tormenta a los restos del barco, hasta que fueron rescatados por la mañana por los aldeanos de la zona y las «ama», las pescadoras que bucean a pulmón para recoger almejas del fondo marino. Entre el pasaje destacaba una figura especial: Rodrigo de Vivero y Velasco, el gobernador de Filipinas que regresaba a Acapulco tras su estancia en Manila. Gracias a sus contactos con los sogunes del clan Tokugawa y a los 4.000 ducados que éstos le prestaron, De Vivero volvió al año siguiente a México en el «San Buenaventura», un barco de 120 toneladas construido en Japón bajo dirección del navegante inglés William Adams, llevando consigo a la primera delegación nipona que puso pie en suelo americano.
Evangelización
Además de impulsar las relaciones comerciales con la Corona española y proteger a los misioneros jesuitas que arriesgaban sus vidas evangelizando el Lejano Oriente, Rodrigo de Vivero inauguró los contactos entre México y Japón enviando 50 expertos mineros en señal de agradecimiento.
Las crónicas de la época dan buena cuenta de su gesta, pero no aclaran nada sobre la valiosa carga que transportaba el «San Francisco» en su bodega. Aparte de un mástil y un jarrón, los únicos supuestos restos que se conservan en Onjuku, la leyenda cuenta que el tesoro del galeón hundido lleva ya cuatro siglos en el fondo del mar. Un canto de sirenas demasiado tentador que no ha pasado desapercibido para famosos «cazatesoros» como Robert Marx y James Whitaker. El primero es un antiguo marine y veterano submarinista que ha sido galardonado con la Orden de Isabel la Católica por el Gobierno español. Todo ello pese a que el año pasado llegó a repartir un doblón de plata auténtico —que supuestamente había rescatado de galeones españoles hundidos— por cada uno de los 300 relojes de edición limitada que la marca nipona Seiko comercializó con su nombre. Whitaker es un experto en búsquedas submarinas que ha peinado la zona del naufragio y podría haber encontrado ya el lastre del San Francisco.
«Para confirmarlo, tenemos que analizar las rocas porque muchos barcos pasaban por aquella zona», explicó Whitaker a ABC por teléfono desde Florida. Consciente de los problemas legales de casos sonados como el del «Odyssey», se apresuró a matizar que «hay muy pocas posibilidades de encontrar un tesoro, como mucho una moneda o dos, pero nada más porque el galeón se hundió a pocos metros de profundidad y casi todo fue salvado por los supervivientes y los pescadores del pueblo». Aunque Whitaker insistió en que «no estamos allí por el oro ni las joyas, sino por la Historia», otros arqueólogos sospechan de sus intenciones y creen que no quiere hacer saltar la liebre.
Desde hace tres años hay un proyecto de la Universidad A&M de Texas, en colaboración con dos catedráticos de Zaragoza y Extremadura, del que la Embajada española en Japón informó a la Dirección de Relaciones Culturales y Científicas del Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores en sendos despachos fechados en marzo y abril de este año. Además, la legación diplomática redactó en mayo una carta de presentación para apoyar otra investigación dirigida por el profesor Akifumi Iwabuchi, de la Universidad de Ciencia y Tecnología Marina de Tokio. Ambos casos han tenido la callada por respuesta. «He enviado algunos documentos al Museo Nacional de Arqueología Subacuática de Cartagena y la Embajada española en Tokio ha informado a Cultura de mi plan de búsqueda, pero no he recibido ninguna contestación», se quejó Iwabuchi, quien se lamentó de que esta falta de colaboración es «una pena porque preferiría trabajar codo con codo con España».
Mientras los Ministerios de Asuntos Exteriores y Cultura mostraban su desidia con un clamoroso silencio administrativo, los «cazatesoros» no han perdido el tiempo y han logrado el apoyo de los pescadores de Onjuku y sus autoridades turísticas. Hartos de esperar una prospección oficial que nunca llega, los vecinos de este pueblo costero han colaborado con Whitaker en la búsqueda del lastre pensando que cualquier hallazgo podría exhibirse en un museo que dispararía el número de visitantes.
¿Pero existe realmente un tesoro hundido en caso de que se halle el pecio del «San Francisco»? El profesor Iwabuchi, de la Universidad de Ciencia Marina de Tokio, cree que «no hay ningún tesoro en absoluto», pero Gonzalo Robledo, un cineasta colombiano que ha rodado un documental sobre el galeón, sospecha lo contrario. «De lo contrario, la empresa de Marx y Whitaker no habría hecho una fuerte inversión para buscarlo», razona.
En caso de que lo encuentren, los «cazatesoros» se habrán adelantado una vez más a la Administración española. En respuesta a ABC, Patrimonio declinó su responsabilidad esgrimiendo que «son las autoridades japonesas las que deben asegurar que en las operaciones de prospección y eventual recuperación del pecio se respete la normativa nipona en materia de protección cultural, y que en ningún caso los restos recuperados puedan ser objeto de explotación ilegal o comercial». Algo que parece difícil de garantizar porque, según las leyes de Japón, que no ha suscrito el convenio de la Unesco para velar por el patrimonio submarino, los «cazatesoros» no están obligados a pedir permiso para buscar barcos hundidos.


http://www.abc.es/20100917/cultura/espana-deja-expoliar-otro-20100917.html
 

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Ola, Como Esta? Me Espanol es muy mal. Do you ever translate to English? I would like to converse if possible. Mucho Gracias. :help:
 

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Spain let' s to another galleon get ransacked Posted Today AT 05:00: 20 p.m. CULTURE Spain lets expoliar another galleon The cazatesoros watch the “San Francisco”, that was shipwrecked in Japan in 1609. While, neither Culture nor Outer has wanted to respond the request of archaeologists of the University of Texas to investigate pecio TEN PABLO M./CORRESPONDENT IN BEIJING ABC, Day 17/09/2010 By one of those accidents of History, a shipwreck in century XVII marked a landmark that has lasted until today in the relations between Spain and Japan. But, by one of those confusions of History, the passivity of the Spanish Administration to rescue, or to look for, the rest of this collapse can later mine the cultural contacts between both countries four centuries. The year of the Gentleman of 1609 ran when the night of the 30 of September the Spanish galleon “San Francisco” ran aground against the coasts of the prefecture of Chiba, to the east of Japan and about one hundred kilometers of Tokyo. The ship, that the route covered with soothes, the porcelain, the gold and the spices between Filpinas and Nueva Spain (Mexico), had been turned aside of its course by a typhoon separated that it of the other two galleons with which it traveled and it went to resentment in front of the town of Onjuku. Of the 373 men of their crew, 317 survived clinging during all night of storm to the rest of the boat, until they were rescued in the morning by the villagers of the zone “it loves and them”, the fisherwomen who dive to lung to gather clams of the marine bottom. Between the passage it emphasized a special figure: Rodrigo of Breeding ground and Velasco, the governor of the Philippines who returned to Acapulco after his stay in Manila. Thanks to his contacts with sogunes of the Tokugawa clan and to the 4,000 duchies that these rendered to him, From Breeding ground it returned the following year to Mexico in “San Buenaventura”, a boat of 120 tons constructed in Japan under direction of the English navigator William Adams, taking with himself to the first Japanese delegation that put American ground foot. Evangelisation Besides impelling the commercial relations with Spanish Corona and protecting to the missionaries Jesuits that risked their lives evangelizando the Far East, Rodrigo of Breeding ground inaugurated the contacts between Mexico and Japan sending 50 mining experts in gratefulness signal. The chronicles of the time give good account of their deed, but they do not clarify anything on the valuable load that transported the “San Francisco” in its warehouse. Aside from a mast and a vase, the unique ones supposed rest that are conserved in Onjuku, the legend tells that the treasure of the sunk galleon already takes four centuries at heart of the sea. A too tempting song of sirens that is no unnoticed past for famous “cazatesoros” like Robert Marx and James Whitaker. First he is an old one marinates and veteran submariner who has been awarded with the Order of Isabel the Catholic by the Spanish Government. All this although the past year got to distribute doblón of authentic silver - that supposedly it had rescued of Spanish galleons sunk by each one of the 300 limited edition clocks that the Japanese mark Seiko commercialized with its name. Whitaker is an expert in submarine searches who has combed the zone of the shipwreck and could already have found the ballast of the San Francisco. “To confirm it, we must analyze rocks because many boats happened through that one zone”, Whitaker to ABC by telephone explained from Florida. Conscious of the legal problems of cases sounded like the one of the “Odyssey”, one hurried to clarify that “there are very few possibilities of finding a treasure, at the most a currency or two, but nothing else because the galleon sank to few meters of depth and almost everything was saved by the survivors and the fishermen of the town”. Although Whitaker insisted on which “we are not in favor of gold nor jewels there, but by History”, other archaeologists suspect their intentions and think that he does not want to make jump the hare. For three years there is a project of a& University; M of Texas, in collaboration with two university professors of Saragossa and Extremadura, del that the Spanish Embassy in Japan informed to the Direction into Cultural and Scientific Relations into the Ministry into Outer Subjects in individual offices dated in March and April into this year. In addition, the diplomatic legation wrote up in May a presentation letter to support another investigation directed by professor Akifumi Iwabuchi, of the University of Science and Marine Technology of Tokyo. Both cases have had the been silent one by answer. “I have sent some documents to the National Museum of Subaqueous Archaeology of Cartagena and the Spanish Embassy in Tokyo has informed to Culture of my plan search, but I have not received any answer”, complained Iwabuchi, that was lamented of which this lack of collaboration is “a pain because it would prefer to work elbow with elbow with Spain”. While the Ministries of Outer Subjects and Culture showed their laziness with a clamorous administrative silence, the “cazatesoros” are lost no the time and have obtained the support of the fishermen of Onjuku and its tourist authorities. Fed up to wait for an official prospection that never he arrives, the neighbors of this coastal town have collaborated with Whitaker in the search of the ballast thinking that any finding could be exhibited in a museum that would shoot the number of visitors. But really exists a sunk treasure in case is pecio of the “San Francisco”? Professor Iwabuchi, of the University of Marine Science of Tokyo, thinks that “there is no treasure absolutely”, but Gonzalo Oak grove, a Colombian film director who has rolled a documentary one on the galleon, suspects the opposite. “Otherwise, the company of Marx and Whitaker would not have made a strong investment to look for it”, reasons. They find in case it, the “cazatesoros” will have gone ahead once again to the Spanish Administration. In response to ABC, Patrimony declined its responsibility using that “is the Japanese authorities those that must assure that in the operations of prospection and possible recovery of pecio the Japanese norm in the matter of cultural protection is respected, and that in no case the recovered rest can be object of illegal or commercial operation”. Something that seems difficult to guarantee because, according to the laws of Japan, that has not subscribed the agreement of UNESCO to guard by the submarine patrimony, the “cazatesoros” are not forced to request permission to look for sunk boats.
 

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I hope Spain doesn't get wind of your {fladiverdown}
{most certainly not alexanders!} girl friend's
national patrimony around her neck....
 

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capt dom

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The second photo above is a disgruntled Spanish woman
who thinks, based upon the War Graves Act and creeping socialism
she is the rightful heir! :angel5:
 

capt dom

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Upon further archival research
we have come across another charming
but disgruntaled Bolivian woman
who also wishes to lay
claim....

You see, Alexander she thinks The Spains ripped
her countries national patrimony in the name of Jesus...

You just can't make everyone happy.... Alexander.....

Now if we really look back I bet we can find some
peed off Austrian wench who probably has the last name
spelled like Hapsburg who figures that seeing they actually
owned the spains for a couple of hundred years
she should at the very least be getting
a pearl necklace!
 

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Alexandre, thanks for posting the story. I did a Google news search and nothing else has come up about this discovery yet.

As you know from our battles back in the old days on Subarch, Marx and Whitaker are two guys who, with the proper funding, could locate just about anything.

I didn't see anything in the article about ransacking. I assume that was your own interpretation?

Cheers, Tom
 

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Hi Tom, I did a literal translation of the title: "España deja expoliar otro galeón"... ;)
 

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From what I have read, it seemed like almost everything was salvaged from (I think) these two galleons already.
 

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Yeah, the sources pretty much confirmed each other on those two "wrecks." As it is stated, it pretty much started a small window of cooperation between the Spanish and the Japanese. It was the San Francisco and the Santa Ana, both Manilla galleons. The San Francisco wrecked shallow and the Santa Ana was refitted in Japan and completed the trip to Acapulco the next year.

But I don't believe everything I read. I think one of the angles is to keep people guessing that there is more to be found than there actually is.

There was probably not much of the San Francisco lost. A large part of the crew and passengers survived by holding onto the ship, which is telling.
 

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Marx is no dodo much too learn from him, must be something to get the Spaniards jumping although it doesnt seem like they care if we run a dredge through their heritage then pave a carpark over the top. Just dont touch.
 

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