Odyssey on SS Garisoppa site
Odyssey now on Garissopa site, good luck in that water depth.
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MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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Why did they leave the Victory site?
Ossy
Ossy
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They have more then one ship on the go. They had a TV series called Treasure Quest that was on last year that showed them using 3 ocean going ships. Some were doing just mag runs and while others would explore the hits.
I would love to see them do more filming like that, it was great to watch the high tech gear in use.
ZDD
I would love to see them do more filming like that, it was great to watch the high tech gear in use.
ZDD
VOC
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"Why did they leave the Victory site?
Ossy"
I beleive the "project plan" has not been approved yet.
The Maritime Heritage Foundation is still battling with some of the ideologist at the JNAPC especially their leader Robert Yorke who for some unknown reason is their new “Messiah” (what he says is gospel and should be followed), all this whilst trawlers and salvors are deliberately attacking the wreck (one gun has been recently located in Holland after being salvaged from the site and there are good reports are that another gun came up in a trawl net and was landed on the UK South Coast).
If I were Odyssey I would walk away and leave the wreck to be pillaged by others, just to prove a point that these fools do not know a thing about wreck or heritage information protection in the real world.
Wrecks in International Waters
JNAPC Position Statement
The JNAPC's position is that historic wrecks in international waters should not be salvaged or excavated for commercial gain. Only if a wreck is under severe threat, or there is a clear research objective, should excavation take place. Otherwise the wreck should be left in situ. Most of these wrecks lie in very deep water and excavation techniques at depth using remote operated vehicles (ROV's) are in their infancy. Salvage today will almost certainly lead to the unnecessary loss of irreplaceable historical information. There is only one opportunity to gather the unique evidence of our past from these 'time-capsules' of history and this should not be squandered for short-term financial gain.
The cost of deep water archaeological excavation is tens of thousands of pounds sterling (or US dollars) per day and problematically the imperatives of commercial salvage are inconsistent with the methodical and painstaking requirements of proper archaeological excavation. Furthermore commercial salvage relies on the sale of the recovered artefacts to profit from the exercise.
The sale of artefacts from historic wrecks is, however, contrary to the UNESCO Convention on the Protection of the Underwater Cultural Heritage 2001 (the UNESCO Convention) which came into force on the 2nd January 2009. This is specifically stated in Article 2.7 and Rule 2 of the Annex.
Although the UK Government has been unwilling to ratify the UNESCO Convention, it has publicly endorsed the Annex and general principles of the Convention and stated that it should be followed as best practice.
The JNAPC believes that the UK Government should not therefore enter into any agreement, contract or salvage arrangement which does not comply with the principles of the Annex to the UNESCO Convention. The Annex specifically prohibits the sale of artefacts from the wrecks of historic vessels. It also requires that proper respect is given to human remains: the loss of a major warship was often accompanied by the loss of hundreds of service personnel whose last resting place may be the wreck itself.
If a wreck proves to be a sovereign immune vessel, such as a British warship in the case of HMS Victory sunk in 1744, it is a well settled point of international law that the finder has no claim to salvage rights or ownership of the recovered finds, as demonstrated in the case of the Juno and La Galga (Seahunt and Commonwealth of Virginia versus the unidentified shipwreck vessel or vessels: US Court of Appeal, 4th circuit 21 July 2000).
Ossy"
I beleive the "project plan" has not been approved yet.
The Maritime Heritage Foundation is still battling with some of the ideologist at the JNAPC especially their leader Robert Yorke who for some unknown reason is their new “Messiah” (what he says is gospel and should be followed), all this whilst trawlers and salvors are deliberately attacking the wreck (one gun has been recently located in Holland after being salvaged from the site and there are good reports are that another gun came up in a trawl net and was landed on the UK South Coast).
If I were Odyssey I would walk away and leave the wreck to be pillaged by others, just to prove a point that these fools do not know a thing about wreck or heritage information protection in the real world.
Wrecks in International Waters
JNAPC Position Statement
The JNAPC's position is that historic wrecks in international waters should not be salvaged or excavated for commercial gain. Only if a wreck is under severe threat, or there is a clear research objective, should excavation take place. Otherwise the wreck should be left in situ. Most of these wrecks lie in very deep water and excavation techniques at depth using remote operated vehicles (ROV's) are in their infancy. Salvage today will almost certainly lead to the unnecessary loss of irreplaceable historical information. There is only one opportunity to gather the unique evidence of our past from these 'time-capsules' of history and this should not be squandered for short-term financial gain.
The cost of deep water archaeological excavation is tens of thousands of pounds sterling (or US dollars) per day and problematically the imperatives of commercial salvage are inconsistent with the methodical and painstaking requirements of proper archaeological excavation. Furthermore commercial salvage relies on the sale of the recovered artefacts to profit from the exercise.
The sale of artefacts from historic wrecks is, however, contrary to the UNESCO Convention on the Protection of the Underwater Cultural Heritage 2001 (the UNESCO Convention) which came into force on the 2nd January 2009. This is specifically stated in Article 2.7 and Rule 2 of the Annex.
Although the UK Government has been unwilling to ratify the UNESCO Convention, it has publicly endorsed the Annex and general principles of the Convention and stated that it should be followed as best practice.
The JNAPC believes that the UK Government should not therefore enter into any agreement, contract or salvage arrangement which does not comply with the principles of the Annex to the UNESCO Convention. The Annex specifically prohibits the sale of artefacts from the wrecks of historic vessels. It also requires that proper respect is given to human remains: the loss of a major warship was often accompanied by the loss of hundreds of service personnel whose last resting place may be the wreck itself.
If a wreck proves to be a sovereign immune vessel, such as a British warship in the case of HMS Victory sunk in 1744, it is a well settled point of international law that the finder has no claim to salvage rights or ownership of the recovered finds, as demonstrated in the case of the Juno and La Galga (Seahunt and Commonwealth of Virginia versus the unidentified shipwreck vessel or vessels: US Court of Appeal, 4th circuit 21 July 2000).
Given the terms of the MOD Terms of Reference and Deed of Trust. I see little chance of Odyssey doing much on the HMS Victory site, from both sides of the coin, the Advisory Committee requirements and Odyssey's profit margin.
As you stated VOC, Odyssey's best choice, or perhaps only choice, may be to walk away.
HMS Victory (1744) Advisory Group
As you stated VOC, Odyssey's best choice, or perhaps only choice, may be to walk away.
HMS Victory (1744) Advisory Group
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