i think i'm onto the location of a treasure fleet patache - PERSA 100 tons 6 guns

[ivan salis]

according to my research --I believe--I have a extremely good chance on the location of a treasure fleet patache PERSA --100 TONS - 6 CANNON- ----NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS --- 1641 so it pre 1750 * (the SPANISH cut off date --due to the juno and la gagla case) ---and its outside the 12 mile us east coast territorial limit / 3 mile state of florida limit --so no permits needed to work it---AND LOOKS LIKE 60 TO 100 FOOT OF WATER ..

 

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[CaptEsteban]

Sounds great !

 

[huntsman53]

Shiver me timbers, you might have a chance to hornswaggle Spain and Florida out of the booty.

 

[ropesfish]

Sounds great, Ivan. Congratulations !
What's your next step?

 

[mr etrackr]

hi Ivan, I tried to respond back to your message, it says your message box is full,,, you need to remove some old ones in order to get any new ones !! cheers my friend,

 

[Rookster]

Hope you luck.

 

[sphillips]

Full speed ahead matey��

 

[Vox veritas]

 

[enrada]

I am looking at a different Spanish patache boat. I would appreciate anybody's thoughts on whether Spain could try and claim it as a military ship?

 

[Grizz12]

I am looking at a different Spanish patache boat. I would appreciate anybody's thoughts on whether Spain could try and claim it as a military ship?

finders keepers, losers weepers

 

[Rüdiger]

Sell your information to a large salvage company. To find a treasure does not always mean to be able to keep it. Offt it is only the lawyers who get rich.

mvh
Rüdiger

 

[capt dom]

So, what's the deal... P.M. me if this is not just another fund raising deal... We got the experience, gear, personnel and time...

 

[Vox veritas]

I am looking at a different Spanish patache boat. I would appreciate anybody's thoughts on whether Spain could try and claim it as a military ship?

AGI Seville research is required, but I do not think a patache is military!

 

[Vox veritas]

AGI Seville research is required, but I do not think a patache is military!

BUT ......!!

 

[Vox veritas]

according to my research --I believe--I have a extremely good chance on the location of a treasure fleet patache PERSA --100 TONS - 6 CANNON- ----NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS --- 1641 so it pre 1750 * (the SPANISH cut off date --due to the juno and la gagla case) ---and its outside the 12 mile us east coast territorial limit / 3 mile state of florida limit --so no permits needed to work it---AND LOOKS LIKE 60 TO 100 FOOT OF WATER ..

Ivan, is it international waters then?

 

[ivan salis]

outside the 12 mile us govt's territory limit ---and out the state of florida's grasp as well -- so screw the govt permits --(BOTH OF THEM DO NOT PLAY A HONEST GAME AND WILL TELL 0THERS TO TRY TO SCREW YOU UP AS WELL)--so yah --in "open waters" --and SINCE ITS pre 1750 * not a naval vessel and since its location was noted in the records Spain abandoned it ...Spain if it wanted to COULD have salvaged it if they had choose to --they choose not to --thus they ABANDONED IT ...so its a "open wreck" legally speaking ...exactly what a treasure salvor wants...no govt BS to deal with , a clearly legally Abandoned wreck

 

[ivan salis]

well it was ONLY A100 ton vessel--- THUS rather small --BUT IT WAS PART OF A TREASURE FLEET -- SMUGGLING WAS RAMPET …. a patache was a small light fast vessel used to carry dispatches FROM VESSEL TO VESSEL and go in shallow waters to fetch up water / food supplies for the fleets larger vessels …(350 TONS ) CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR THE CARGO MANIFEST AND LIST OF FOLKS ABOARD HER

 

[Salvor6]

Back then (1641) every ship carried cannons.

 

[sphillips]

Excellent and very interesting thread

 

[ARC]

Shiver me timbers, you might have a chance to hornswaggle Spain and Florida out of the booty.

Although the idea of being able to be able to salvage a wreck that might be in a "law loophole" situation is appealing...

It is highly doubtful that this wreck as well as any other wreck of a historical nature does not fall under some form of protection from salvage without a claim from someone or something.