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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailaway View Post
    The thing I find interesting is that this bell of topic of this thread, in my list of bells lost, there is one ship that matches the Santa Maria's size. The ship should be a NAO exactly like the Santa Maria, from same time period.

    SAN ESTEVAN
    ok, then our attention should be on the -> San Estevan <-
    let us please IGNORE anything related to Columbus, make life simple

    Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillA View Post
    yes, we know of this also -> so what?
    bigger boat -ck, bigger bell -ck, more ornate -ck, and . . . . . . .

    Bill
    I don't follow ?

    Where are you going with this ?

    Please explain your direction in layman's terms. heh
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    No one said this is "related to" CC's bell... at least I didn't .
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  4. #184
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    ARC, you know the OP is not the Finder, who is kinda present but silent
    I suggest not stirring that pot as we are seeking some more info - and let it go at that.

    Bill
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  5. #185
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    Quote Originally Posted by AARC View Post
    I don't follow ?

    Where are you going with this ?

    Please explain your direction in layman's terms. heh
    post #176 has some questions relating to your assertion, you and sail are stating that Columbus' ships had bells; others say no bells

    let us focus on the San Estevan

    Bill
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    OR...

    lets continue talk about CC's ships.


    I have to point something out here on this...

    I will point out...everyone equates CC with 1492 ... when in fact there were THREE OTHER voyages.

    IN the years 1493... 1498 and 1502... WHICH... COULD put a bell on A CC ship... beings several were lost.

    Um... btw... when I "throw a bone"...

    I don't wanna hear if it tastes good or not. :P
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  7. #187
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillA View Post
    post #176 has some questions relating to your assertion, you and sail are stating that Columbus' ships had bells; others say no bells

    let us focus on the San Estevan

    Bill
    Oh and tell me why again would I focus on this ship ?
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  8. #188
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    The pyramids in the floral design possibly Aztec? Possibly a small Mission Bell?
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  9. #189
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    Quote Originally Posted by AARC View Post
    Oh and tell me why again would I focus on this ship ?
    sail's post above

    ok, plausible other boats had bells - so which are the candidates?
    location has a larger import than dimensions? still, the bell's size and the boat's size are probably related
    how common was the use of plain ship's bells?

    Bill

    edit: ARC pretty sure I brought up CC's bell in response to one of your mystery mystery mystery posts
    my ref was in jest post #125
    Last edited by BillA; Apr 28, 2019 at 09:03 AM.
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  10. #190
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum Tide View Post
    The pyramids in the floral design possibly Aztec? Possibly a small Mission Bell?
    don't know much about Aztec art, but I know of no cast copper so large.
    should the bell have the age it might, there were no missions to oversee mining - that came a bit later after the killing and looting

    Bill
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  11. #191
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum Tide View Post
    The pyramids in the floral design possibly Aztec? Possibly a small Mission Bell?
    I have been searching an Aztec or incan connection and had the same thoughts as you. I'm am also not convinced that this is a ships bell but I am split on weather it's a ships bell, mission bell, or even a plantation bell. A size indication would help alot.
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  12. #192
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    AARC, I read your posts on the bell to the neighbors emotional support animal...

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  13. #193
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    here is a possibility:


    1554

    Two naos were lost on the coast of Florida

    San Estevan, 220 tons, Captain Francisco del Mecerno (spelled Mercesno in another document), coming from Mexico; and Sancta Maria de Yciar. 220 tons, Captain Alonso Ozosi, owned by Miguel de Jaurequi, coming from Mexico. Both may have been two of those mentioned in above. Source: Real Academia de Ia Historia, Madrid, Coleccion Mufloz, tomo 17. 87, f. 139.

    The ship of Farfan (probably its owner)
    It sank near Ais, richly ladened with gold and silver, and the Indians of the King of Ais recovered a great deal from the wreck. This wreck is possibly the San Estevan mentioned above, but it could be an entirely different shipwreck. Source: Col. Nay., T. XVI, #1086, f. 359.

    1555 No Name
    Several ships of the Flota de Tierra Firme commanded by Cosine Rodriquez Farfan (possibly the same Farfan mentioned above) were separated from the convoy soon after entering the Bahama Channel after a storm hit the convoy, and were never heard of again. Although the document is dated 1555, it is possible that it occurred in 1554 and the San Estevan (see above) was one of these missing ships. The two naos mentioned above could not have been two of his missing ships, as they were coming from Mexico, unless they were incorporated into his flota in Havana. Source: AGI, Indiferente General, legajo 737.
    http://sites.rootsweb.com/~fltttp/shipwrecks.htm

    Now a story by a old Bahamian living on Moores Island told me about a old hull that the only thing sticking above the water was the tip of the bow at low tide in a sand bank off the Bahama Channel. No one knew of where the ship came from and locals called it old Hull bank. He told me of an American who was in a sailboat that was poking around the old wreck. One day after he had been diving the sailboat raised its sails and has never been seen again. This wreck is very close to the Tumbaga wreck site. Locals believe he found gold because one islander saw it.
    Another dive happened a couple years ago when the ship Atlantis II was contracted to test new 2 and 3 man subs in the north side of the channel off Freeport, Bahamas. I put together a video of the test for a friend.
    https://tritonsubs.com/

    if this bell of thread came from the Bahamas then the finder may be in big trouble
    Last edited by sailaway; Apr 28, 2019 at 06:38 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xaos View Post
    AARC, I read your posts on the bell to the neighbors emotional support animal...

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    Perhaps you should drink Rum... then perhaps you might be able to follow...

    And... Are you sure that isn't YOUR emotional support DOG... ?

    IF not... you should be ashamed exploiting your neighbors dog.


    In fact your comment reminds me of something...

    The more people I meet...

    The more I love my dogs.
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  15. #195
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    ARC, does Brother Bart need some time witH your support dog ??

    http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/at...484920&thumb=1

    be nice, share

    Bill

    eh, the dog won't run
    Last edited by BillA; Apr 28, 2019 at 07:56 PM.
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