De Beers Finds Shipwreck...

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De Beers Finds Shipwreck, Treasure From Columbus Era

By Chamwe Kaira

April 30 (Bloomberg) -- De Beers, the world's biggest undersea diamond miner, said its geologists in Namibia found the wreckage of an ancient sailing ship still laden with treasure, including six bronze cannons, thousands of Spanish and Portuguese gold coins and more than 50 elephant tusks.

The wreckage was discovered in the area behind a sea wall used to push back the Atlantic Ocean in order to search for diamonds in Namibia's Sperrgebiet or ``Forbidden Zone.''

``If the experts' assessments are correct, the shipwreck could date back to the late 1400s or early 1500s, making it a discovery of global significance,'' Namdeb Diamond Corp., a joint venture between De Beers and the Namibian government, said in an e-mailed statement from the capital, Windhoek, today.

The site yielded a wealth of objects, including several tons of copper, more than 50 elephant tusks, pewter tableware, navigational instruments, weapons and the gold coins, which were minted in the late 1400s and early 1500s, according to the statement.

The Namibian government will claim ownership of the treasure found, Halifa Mbako, group corporate affairs manager at Namdeb, said in a telephone interview from Windhoek today.

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``By Namibian law, discoveries of this nature belong to the state,'' he said. ``The discovery was found in our mining area, but the treasure belongs to the state.'' The Namibian government is in consultations with the governments of Spain and Portugal to try and identify the ship, which was most likely a trading vessel, given the goods on board, said.

On April 1, Bob Burrell, the head of Namdeb's Mineral Resource Department, found some rounded copper ingots and the remains of three bronze cannons in the sand.

``All mining operations were halted, the site secured and Dr. Dieter Noli, an archaeologist and expert in the Sperrgebiet, was brought into the project and identified the cannons as Spanish breach-loaders of a type popular in the early 1500s,'' Namdeb said.

The find may be the oldest sub-Saharan shipwreck ever discovered, Namdeb said.

``If this proves to be a contemporary of the ships sailed by the likes of Diaz, Da Gama and Columbus, it would be of immense national and international interest and Namibia's most important archaeological find of the century,'' according to the statement.

Diamonds have been mined along the south-western coast of Namibia and in its coastal waters for the last 100 years. De Beers, the world's largest diamond company, is 45 percent owned by Anglo American Plc, 40 percent held by the Oppenheimer family and 15 percent owned by the government of Botswana.
 

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I figure about 30 seconds till the spanish claim it as theirs.
 

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Clearly you are not reading the whole picture, as it appears to the first Portuguese ship from this era ever found. It is a huge discovery and does not need any ridiculous statements about it regarding the Spanish/Odyssey situation.

Hopefully it will be investigated and the findings will be published, The finder is not short of funds.
 

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Cablava said:
Clearly you are not reading the whole picture, as it appears to the first Portuguese ship from this era ever found. It is a huge discovery...

Huge indeed. I'm thrilled it was found...ironically from a diamond miner :P

...and does not need any ridiculous statements about it regarding the Spanish/Odyssey situation.

Where's your sense of humor, Mike?

Hopefully it will be investigated and the findings will be published, The finder is not short of funds.

Agreed. I would love to see the final report of all that was found and discoveries made about the trading vs. explorer era. I find it hard to believe it's only the exploring era since there is obviously valuables available to trade with. Time will tell.
 

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The following was posted on another forum.

"A Portugese shipwreck on its way to Ma Cow, a Portugese settlement close to Hong Kong. The ivory was picked up on the coast of Africa to be used as trade goods for the Chinese ivory carvers. The copper ingots were used in the famous Portugese cannon foundery in Ma Cow. The money was used to buy Chinese goods ( together with the ivory ). Cornelius"
 

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The Macao foundry was not set up till the 1620s, and it was supposed to be making use of the cheap materials and manpower in Asia; as far as I know the copper came from Japan for it. The wreck does seem to be 16th century in date, if not the optimistic 1500 suggested by the finders.

There was a Portuguese foundry in Goa in the 16th century, but again I would assume the copper came from more local sources than Europe- cheaper to move your master founder to Asia than the workmen and materials.

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I lost my sense of humor on that subject some time ago, if you have followed the different boards covering the various aspects of the law suit Spain vs Odyssey, you will find the mentality of 12 year olds insulting one and other and non of them really know the answers, including OMEX and Spain.

Best not to infect anybody else's finds with comparisons to the soap opera playing out right now.

Keep up the good work

Regards

Mike
 

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GOOD!

SEEING HOW UNDERSEA ARTIFACTS, GOLD & SILVER COINS ARE MORE RARE THAN DIAMONDS......

MAYBE THEY WILL PUT THEIR MARKETING AND ADVERTISING TO WORK AND BRING SOME NEEDED PUBLIC INTEREST TO UNDERSEA EXPLORATION !!!

MORE LIKELY... AS WHAT I AM SAYING IS SO TRUE... THEY MOST LIKELY WILL HORDE IT...

ARH... ALTHOUGH SOME PIECES OF EIGHT WITH DIAMOND BEZELS ON PENDANTS MAY HELP THEIR OUTLETS SELL MORE STONES....
 

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More news on this wreck:


Thursday, May 8, 2008 - Web posted at 7:20:53 GMT

Quest to solve treasure ship riddle begins

WERNER MENGES
THE discovery of a treasure-laden shipwreck, estimated to be around 500 years old, in Namdeb's Mining Area 1 near Oranjemund early last month is only the first chapter in what could turn into a long slog of archaeological detective work to unravel the secrets of an ill-fated pioneer of sea travel off the Southern African coast.




The easy part of working on an archaeological site like this is the digging up of the site and recovering relevant material from it, archaeologist Dieter Noli, who played a leading part in the first examination of the wreck site in April, told The Namibian in a telephonic interview from Cape Town yesterday.

The hard work is analysing what was found at the site, he said.

That is expected to be painstaking labour that could take months before it is even known what the real significance of the discovery is, he said.

He is convinced, though, that he and his colleagues who will be helping to study the wreck and its contents will eventually be able to find out whose ship this was and what business it was on when it came to an end on that barren stretch of Namibian coastline, Noli indicated.

"We have to piece together the puzzle.

It's a fascinating story," he said.

The discovery of the ship has been worldwide news, with Namdeb claiming in its announcement of the find last week that this may be the oldest sub-Saharan shipwreck ever discovered.

Noli, who has been a consultant for Namdeb on archaeological matters since 1996, said he was scheduled to return to Oranjemund yesterday to carry out further work at the site and on items that had been recovered from the site so far.

He will have to see that the material collected from the site is stored properly, photographed, cleaned, and that each item - including each of thousands of gold and silver coins - is recorded, Noli said.

The material collected from the site includes thousands of Portuguese and Spanish gold coins, Portuguese silver coins, bronze cannons, tons of copper ingots, more than 50 elephant tusks, pewter tableware and navigational instruments.

The wreck itself has been "extremely badly battered" by the sea, with little of the original structure of the ship left, Noli said.

The site near Oranjemund has in the meantime been covered with wet sand again.

The site is about six metres below sea level and is now protected by a huge sea wall constructed out of sand by Namdeb as part of its mining operations in the area.

Noli said the site contains a lot of metal, including iron concretion - formed when rusting iron combines with other matter to form a hard, concrete-like material - which can deteriorate fast when exposed to the air and oxygen after so long under the seabed.

He said covering up the wreck site is a way of preserving the site for future further examination.

ARCHAEO 'CRIME SCENE' "We're dealing with a crime story here.

The wreck is like a crime scene," Noli said.

Here, though, the role of detectives will be played by archaeologists who will have to rely on clues gathered at the scene as they set out on a quest to figure out the history and end of a ship that last sailed the seas half a millennium ago.

Examining historical records in an attempt to get clues about the origins of the ship will also form an extremely important part of the work that lies ahead, Noli said.

With it increasingly looking like the wreck is of Portuguese origin, the Portuguese government has already offered to assist in the study of the wreck and the efforts to identify the ship, Noli said.

He said the coins found at the site offer only part of the clues about the ship's origin.

An estimated 70 per cent of the gold coins recovered so far were Spanish, with the remaining 30 per cent Portuguese coins, he said.

All of the silver coins found at the site were Portuguese, he said, adding that in a situation like this, the "small change" that were used can say more than the larger denominations of money found.

Some of the Spanish coins were minted with depictions of the Spanish monarchs Ferdinand II and Isabella I, who ruled Spain in the late 1400s and early 1500s, on one side, while some of the Portuguese coins bear references to the Portuguese King John II, Noli said.

John, or João II, was on the Portuguese throne between 1481 and 1495.

Noli said in the late 1400s and early 1500s, the Portuguese were the main seafarers along this part of the African coast.

"It's looking more and more as if it's a Portuguese ship," he remarked.

When he first started working on the site in April, he was not expecting to find any money, Noli said.

That was because it appeared that the ship had been fully laden with cargo like copper and ivory.

As it is unlikely that a European ship would have been exporting ivory to Africa, the theory would then be that the ship had been heading back home when it came to its end, he said.

On the other hand, he added, the ship still had a lot of money on board - which would not have been expected either if it had just completed a trading trip, he indicated.

The ivory that was recovered may still provide key clues on the ship's movements.

It is possible to establish where the tusks came from - not only whether from African or Asian elephants, but also whether from a place like India or the west or east coasts of Africa, and even which parts of the coasts, Noli said.

He added that fragments of what appeared to be human bones had also been seen in the concretions at the site.

These were left intact at the site.

More material resembling bones was removed from the site, but will have to be studied further to determine whether it is of human origin, he said.

If it is found to be human remains, it would be treated with due respect and ultimately re-interred, he said.

The final intention of the study of the wreck is that all the material recovered from the site would remain in Namibia, as it belongs to the people of Namibia, Noli said.

According to Erica Ndalikokule, Acting Director of the National Heritage Council, all shipwrecks in Namibian waters or on the coast that are older than 35 years are classified as historic shipwrecks in terms of the National Heritage Act.

These wrecks, as well as artefacts recovered from them, belong to the State, according to the law.

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Govt takes over ancient shipwreck
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THE Namibian Government has taken over responsibility for the excavation of the 500-year old shipwreck found at Oranjemund last month after the Office of the President was approached in this regard by the Portuguese government, The Namibian has established.

Namdeb spokesman Hilifa Mbako confirmed that three Ministers - Errki Nghimtina of Mines and Energy, Dr Abraham Iyambo of Fisheries and Marine Resources and Willem Konjore of the Ministry of Youth, National Service, Sport and Culture - flew to Oranjemund on Thursday to inspect the site.

He declined to give any further information, referring all queries to the Office of the President instead.

This office could not be reached for comment over the weekend.

Another well-placed source indicated that the Portuguese government had contacted President Hifikepunye Pohamba's office directly, which had led to him sending the ministerial delegation to Oranjemund.

"The Ministers have returned from their visit in Oranjemund with an order that nothing further should be said by anyone on the shipwreck until further notice," the source said.

Government has made it clear that it has now taken full charge of the matter, the source added.

In a written statement released to the media on Friday, Nghimtina confirmed the three Ministers' visit to the site of the discovery.

Nghimtina thanked Namdeb "for all the phenomenal work they have done in protecting the site where the wreck was found and providing security for the artefacts".

He added that "appropriate officials" from relevant Government departments, being archaeologists, the National Heritage Council and the National Museum of Namibia, "now need space and time to carry out vital analytical work to provide answers to the many questions that we have".

Because Government also needs to study all the information available at this stage to make an informed decision about the way forward, "there will be no further information or media comments on this matter - until further notice", Nghimtina stated.

Namdeb kept news of the sensational discovery secret for a month before announcing on April 30 to widespread international interest that they had found what is believed to be the oldest shipwreck discovered in sub-Saharan Africa.

The wreck was discovered by Namdeb geologist Bob Burrell, who came across copper ingots while excavating an ancient beach terrace in search of diamonds.

Mining in the area - which appeared to be below sea level and buried about six metres deep - was halted immediately and experts brought in to excavate the sensational find.

Further investigation brought to light brass swivel-cannons dating back 500 years, as well as a treasure hoard of Portuguese and Spanish gold and silver coins, 50 ivory tusks, pewter ware and ancient navigational equipment.

Under Namibian heritage laws, the wreck and its contents belong to the Namibian Government.

Some reports on an Oranjemund community online forum suggested that the gold alone was worth some US$2,2 million (about N$16 million).

The origin of the ship remains unclear, but Namdeb-retained archaeologist Dr Dieter Noli previously said the large amount of Portuguese silver found in the remains was significant.

Trade in ivory was at the time reserved for royalty, Noli said.

There is also intense speculation that the wreck might be one of four Portuguese royal caravels, one of which was captained by Portuguese explorer Bartolomeu Dias, which disappeared off the Cape of Good Hope in May 1500 in a storm.

Dias's caravel was part of a fleet of 13 ships that had sailed from Portugal on March 9 1500 under the command of Pedro Alvarez Cabral and got lost at sea before discovering Brazil by accident a month later.

The fleet was to establish trade with the Far East, after Arab traders there had previously rejected as inferior Portuguese goods offered by another Portuguese seafarer, Vasco da Gama, on his first visit there, one website dedicated to maritime history suggested.

The fleet, already depleted by half at that stage, then headed east for the Indies before disaster struck off the southern African coast in middle May, various websites indicated.

Dias, who in late December 1488 was blown past the Cape by another such storm, was presumed lost at sea on May 29, various websites indicated.
 

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