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[beekbuster]

point is keep it clean, simple to follow, no harm no foul. this thread has been highjacked. back to the issue. even though we try our hardest to follow the rules, i still feel uneasy if i am seen by anyone while i am prospecting. because they can always, ALWAYS find something to ruin your day. i always try to go where i am least likely to be happened upon.

 

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[Au dave]

the way I see it is...get the ticket - enjoy the prospecting ... dont get a ticket - be forever look over your'e shoulder searching for " ranger rick" with the cuffs on his hip. Also the government don't need more reason to shut down our hobby or close areas due to non compliance matters...

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[TheForSaken]

I am in compliance, I have purchased a license, but I'm not the type of guy "to leave well enough, alone".
I've paid for my right to sluice legally, but what is stopping the next guy not too? This is my point. I don't have to look over my back while down at the river, but...I don't know man, was just hoping for an actual answer.
Best regards
Ps- Guys, I was a little out of line, for that I apologize. Your forum your rules.
Very frustrating spending my time off playing phone tag and getting nowhere.

 

[kcm]

...especially if you have to sit around WAITING for a return call!!

 

[TheForSaken]

Yessir

...especially if you have to sit around WAITING for a return call!!

 

[goldenIrishman]

No sense in breaking the forum rules TFS. Been there, done that... Got deleted. At least the mods were nice and only did a little editing on your post.

As far as your problem goes I can understand your frustrations. Dealing with the powers that be can and often is a major PITA. One agency sells the permit/license but can't tell you what happens if you get caught without one. None of the other possible agencies that MIGHT know can give you any information either. Since I'm assuming that you're in Canada I'm not even going to try to explain the laws there since I don't know them. Heck... the laws here in the States are not much better! I'm pretty sure that we've got you beat when it comes to governmental bureaucracy. There are a lot of times I think the only requirements to work for the government is to pass three classes on 1. how to look busy while not getting anything done 2. how to avoid giving an answer to questions from John Q Public and 3. how to pass a buck. That and also be able to type 30 words a minute and you're set for life!

If this was happening in the States, I'd start by researching the agency that issued you the license and make sure that they are actually authorized to do so. What is their authority to issue said license and where does it come from? The simple fact there is a required license implicates that there would be repercussions if caught mining without your license. Can you find any case files where someone was caught mining without their license? A judge can't be expected to just rule on penalties off the cuff. There has to be some sort of guidelines on fines, jail terms etc. Here in the states we can go on-line and pretty much look up any law and the fines/jail time you can expect to be slapped with if you break them. If you really want to find out what is going on with this, you're going to have to go out and do some snooping! If after you've done your research you still can't find anything out, I'd get a bunch of miners together and file a suit against the government for charging you for the license in the first place.

 

[kcm]

Actually Irish, you have #1 slightly wrong. Those people DO get a lot done. Unfortunately, it still doesn't mean anything when finished!!

And the only time it DOES mean anything is when it leaves you crying rather than laughing!

 

[goldenIrishman]

well I was thinking along the lines of DMV workers. I'm lucky in that our recorders office is really great and I've gotten nothing but fantastic service from them. The local BLM office... Not so much. I think the level of government you're dealing with at the time also has a lot to do with the level of service you get.

 

[TheForSaken]

Kk, heard back from Cody another Land Management Specialist here in the Edmonton area.*
He was actually a joy to speak with and was quite helpful.*
The placer miner license in Alberta entitles you to sluice throughout the province. As some know, Alberta doesn't offer claims. Basically the gold and minerals in the the ground belongs to the province and having the license gives you permission to extract it from the crown land.*
Now, if one was to sluice without the license and get caught, they could bring forward criminal charges against the offender of thief and mischief/vandalism.*
This cleared it up for me