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    Ma Pa mine of Tayopa has been found

    hello .. we have been talking about this discovery in a few other post and i would like to start a new post to redirect the topic in the direction the discovery is taking it .. things are changing day by day and the sites are still being with held till the permits and legal matters are solved ...

    that said we have found the Ma Pa mines of Tayopa we will be proving it over the next 6 months with ore samples and a full disclosure tot he state of Arizona ..

    we have decoded the tayopa stones and located 35 diffrent sites so far , we do not know what is at all these site other then the Ma pa ,mines and a few of the the others , but some of them are totally unknown as to what will be found at those sites ..they show up in code directions and we know there is some reason the map maker put them on in the code

    now we have broken the code and decoded the stone as far as the location of the two main mines .. the third is waiting for a full decoded translation be fore we say what it is and where ...

    what we know at this point is the tayopa stones ( also known as the Peralta stones ) were made in 1646
    and do hold a complex multi tri code of the Jesuit order ..

    we would love to share more info but at this point we can not release much more then what has been said here ...

    we are 100% positive this is in fact the tayopa Ma Pa mines , we have found 8 or 9 other legends link to these mines and hope to help end the confusion of what is what .. and why ..

    we are working on making sure the translations of each site is clear and accurate

    some of this 460 year old code is very complex and we hope you will wait till we can share the data with the public ..

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    now i under stand more about the Tayopa complex .. the 3 richest mines in the world are the Ma Pa and the piedad or Hoya .. it has taken some decodeing but we have now reason to beleive these are the 3 mines in question .. we have 2 out of the 3 located ,....
    what make these mines diffrent from the area round them ....good question ..

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    Re: Ma Pa mine of Tayopa has been found

    Hola amigos,
    I understand how you got Tayopa from the inscription on the Peralta stones, but I fail to understand how you arrived at those two names of "Ma" and "Pa" as mines; "mapa" would mean map, and as far as I know of the names of the mines of Tayopa, (of which I only know nine, the other 13 I do not know besides the Paramo placer) these are:

    mina sto. nino
    mina misericordias
    mina de guadelupe
    mina concepcion
    mina clavos
    mina montes
    mina oroche
    mina el senor
    mina remedios

    plus the paramos placer
    9 named of 22 lode mines, 17 on another map but 22 are shown on the Caminos de Tayopa map which our amigo Don Jose has said is virtually correct.

    Do you have another source besides the Peralta stones that names two of the Tayopa mines as "Ma" and "Pa"? If so, I would appreciate if you could point me to it. Thank you in advance;
    Oroblanco
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    i have 4 sources that id the mines other then the Tayopa stones ,, the names you listed are coded ,you do know that don't you ..i have no idea what real de has found or not found .. we would have to set down and compair what we have before that could be put into some kind of under standing and detail .. if those names are coded as i beleive they are .. then what i am working on may locate mines at his site as well as the ones i have been working on ..

    i will go on record as saying....." i believe there are 3 mines here at location and the Para mo placer, all related to each other ."

    this maybe what is confusing everyone about where these mines are , these 4 sites are isolated from the others ,if i am correct there are 13 where Real De is...

    i realized what was going on when i herd the dick holmes letter

    look close , Ma, Pa ,Hoya or ( Piedad ) and Paramo placer ... Waltz was high grading these mines he says and it drops off into the wash ..this is the Paramo placer in the wash ..

    i am positive these are the real names of the mines at this location ,.

    why your asking questions, i can only say "this set of vanes runs no less then 3092 ft at times it has heavy gold and at times it show almost pure silver ..i have not study the trove yet .. beyond its placement...i will say this vane dose something i have never seen before .. it makes a full 90 degree turn in solid rock . or there are two vanes....crossing each other ...


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    so why dont you tell me why someone would put 18 mines that close together .. ? and the tayopa minas is 17 mines ..the list dose not say what dirrection these mines are located in .. in fact the list is very bland to the point of even looking made up or faked ..the reason i say that is because the paramo is on the list but is not listed as a placer , at the top of your page it says mines .. the paramo is not a mine ..your list has a flaw ,so many flaws dose it have ...? in fact if you look at your list . there is pin marks in front of all the names but 4 , and the paramo is one those 4 and is not listed in order with the other 3 that are all in order together ...

    your list may in fact be real but it may also be in code as well ...

    and note to you real de . where is the piedad ?

    do you have date of when this list was made and by who it made .. i think you will find out

    your right . it dose not say wich church door ...

    1) the Hoya or piedad is the Santo Nino on this list
    2) the maria would have to be the MA
    3) san Ignacio is the PA mine and
    4) the paramo is the placer in the wash

    i think you could have a coded list Real de ..but look at the nino . change it to kino .see kino wrote about the Hoya. this list is much newer then the trove letter of 1646 ,, very interesting thank you ..

    i get it now the list was made way after the fact,when Kino was alive . this list could have been made by Kino him self .. the person beleives the coded data was in varas ...lol

    OK now i get it .. thanks for posting that Real de ..

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    thank you very very much ,,,, Real de .. that was very usefull data ...

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    that was interesting Real de ,, note your map says Mapa , yet the ruth gonzales map says MAPA ,, note your map show the paramo place link to a sting that links it to 4 squares ...

    i am correct .. these 4 mines are at my location why the rest are were you are ..if you have the right site ,...

    i was able to locate the Paramo placer using your data and my church site


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    there is no question what so ever i can use your data at my site ... work good ,, real de do you know how to use the data ? you most likely would not say anything to anyone here at the site .. .i know why ...

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    mx
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    Good evening BB; You asked about Paramo, yes it is a placer, but remember "he has a placer mine" should explain it.

    You asked--> fact the list is very bland to the point of even looking made up or faked ..the reason i say that is because the paramo is on the list but is not listed as a placer ,
    ************

    Yes, it is factual report, It was not intended to be dramatic, just to make two points. As for el Paramo, see first sentence above.

    A) The original was coded in varas, which is obviously impossible since a vara is approx. 1/2 meter.

    B) To demonstrate the physical configuration that they exist in, exactly as they should be.
    ================================================== =======================================


    You asked --> there is pin marks in front of all the names but 4 , and the paramo is one those 4 and is not listed in order with the other 3 that are all in order together ...
    ****************

    Those are my marks. I don't remember why I put them there, but since I made up the entire list ? Obviously the originals were in Spanish.

    ================================================== ========================================

    You asked --> do you have date of when this list was made and by who it made .. i think you will find out
    ****************
    about the time of the original Indian revolt.
    ================================================== ========================================

    You asked --> real de do you know how to use the data ?
    **************

    No problem what so ever.

    Don Jose de La Mancha
    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp
    Good evening BB; You asked about Paramo, yes it is a placer, but remember "he has a placer mine" should explain it.

    You asked--> fact the list is very bland to the point of even looking made up or faked ..the reason i say that is because the paramo is on the list but is not listed as a placer ,
    ************

    Yes, it is factual report, It was not intended to be dramatic, just to make two points. As for el Paramo, see first sentence above.

    A) The original was coded in varas, which is obviouly impossible since a vara is approx. 1/2 meter.

    B) To demonstrate the physical configuration that they exist in, exactly as they should be.
    ================================================== =======================================


    You asked --> there is pin marks in front of all the names but 4 , and the paramo is one those 4 and is not listed in order with the other 3 that are all in order together ...
    ****************

    Those are my marks. I don't remember why I put them there, but since I made up the entire list ? Obviously the originals were in Spanish.

    ================================================== ========================================

    You asked --> do you have date of when this list was made and by who it made .. i think you will find out
    ****************
    about the time of the original Indian revolt.
    ================================================== ========================================

    You asked --> real de do you know how to use the data ?
    **************

    No problem what so ever.

    Don Jose de La Mancha
    "A) The original was coded in varas, which is obviously impossible since a vara is approx. 1/2 meter."

    no that's whats wrong . they are not coded in varas
    then you know by now the readings are not in var-as those are not distance measurements ...
    thats the new vara, the old was from the wrest to the elbow . 12 -14 inches , but that dose not matter those reading are not distance readings ...


    do you have a copy of the Original...?

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    mx
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    Re: Ma Pa mine of Tayopa has been found

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Don Jose
    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

  12. #12

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    Re: Ma Pa mine of Tayopa has been found

    well that's why i ask you .. if you knew how to read them .. those are not Varas

    those are not even distance measurements ,now i am convinced i am correct .. and yes i can help you as well ..

    how do you know the The original was coded in varas..?

    did you amuse they were ?

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    mx
    Nov 2004
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    Re: Ma Pa mine of Tayopa has been found

    Hi BB: you asked -->how do you know the The original was coded in varas..?
    **************
    Because they said so. I. E. written data.

    Don Jose de La Mancha

    "I exist to live, not live to exist"

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    Re: Ma Pa mine of Tayopa has been found

    Quote Originally Posted by Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp
    Hi BB: you asked -->how do you know the The original was coded in varas..?
    **************
    Because they said so. I. E. written data.

    Don Jose de La Mancha

    "they said so" who is they .. ? are you saying I.E. is translator

    they said so are you saying the original said they were in varas ...?

    the trove letter said a lot of things but it was all in code and half of was window dressing , had nothing to do with the real data ..

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    Re: Ma Pa mine of Tayopa has been found

    Blindbowman wrote
    i have 4 sources that id the mines other then the Tayopa stones ,, the names you listed are coded ,you do know that don't you
    May I ask what those other four sources are? Thank you in advance, and I have my doubts about them being coded.

    Blindbowman also wrote
    so why dont you tell me why someone would put 18 mines that close together .. ?
    The location of mines are largely at the caprice of Mother Nature, man doesn't get much choice in where the veins, lenses or other types of deposits get placed. For instance in the valley of Deadwood, are nearly 100 mines all within a few yards of each other, while at the Vulture mine in AZ there is no other mine located within miles of it. Man doesn't get to choose where the gold or silver is found.

    So far, this Tayopa-in-the-Superstitions theory has only that single thread which you present as the proof; namely those Peralta stones which as you know are not even universally accepted as being genuine. I look forward to you building this theory, it could be interesting; however I can't imagine what will support it. All the Tayopa record-history I have seen, places it in Sonora, well south of the Superstitions, and I still haven't seen any evidence of a Jesuit presence in the Superstitions either. So we will need to see some kind of evidence of Jesuits operating north of the Gila river in Arizona, in 1602-1603 for starters, then there has to be a mission church, a village of huts where the people lived, trails in and out etc so I hope you have more than those very questionable Peralta stones to build this theory on.
    Oroblanco
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