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  1. #1

    Jan 2007
    Houston,TX
    Garrett AT Pro Fisher F5
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    Help try to lift ban on detecting

    Hey all you Houston area hunters and anyone else who would want to help us.
    There is a ban on metal detector useage in some of our parks within city limits. We want to let the Precinct 4 County Commissioner know, that we don't agree with their decision.

    Please, let the county commissioner know that we help clean the park areas, remove dangerous and all trash items from the areas,and follow the metal detectors code of ethics.

    We don't need to attack their decision, just try and put in good points about detecting.

    Please send an email to JerryEversole@hcp4.net

    The more emails he gets, the more he will know we don't like it.










  2. #2
    us
    Let the earth yield its bootay! Arg!

    Oct 2007
    Humble, Tx
    Bounty Hunter IV
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    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    Done!

    I hope others follow along!
    YeeHaw!

  3. #3
    rsc
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    Mar 2005
    Noth of Houston
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    Looks great. Where do I sign? Gayle

    nt

  4. #4
    us
    Jan 2007
    Texas
    DFX & SE
    2,732
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    Banner Finds (1)

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    Done-

    Thanks Robbie
    Pinpoint twice, dig once!

  5. #5
    us
    Mar 2008
    Houston Area
    ACE 250, Vibraprobe 570, My Melon
    858

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    Done,

    From an alias email. I used to have to play in his golf tourney for work.

    And I really don't like golf!
    "Gimme oysters and beer for dinner everyday of the year"


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  6. #6
    us
    May 2007
    East Texas
    Whites MXT / DetectorPro HH
    47

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    Done and here is a copy.

    "Sir, I have recently learned that you have banned metal detecting in certain areas of your precinct.

    This saddens me as our hobby will be impacted negatively. There are a number of good qualities to MDing

    as evidenced by our code of ethics, of which I’ll post here.



    As ambassadors for this hobby of ours we often perform kind acts that go unnoticed or unrewarded.

    I can’t tell you how many dirty safety pins, push pins, dirty drug needles or just plain dangerous items

    are removed from harms way by metal detectorists. The amount of “trash” that is removed is staggering;

    and I might add, free of charge. These plus many other benefits all for a chance to find a rare coin or

    piece of history or even a memento of days gone by.



    I know not of the circumstances of your decision, but would respectfully request a reconsideration.

    Here, for your acceptance, are our code of ethics:



    FMDAC Code of Ethics
    (Federation of Metal Detector and Archaeological Clubs)

    I will always check federal, state, county and local laws before searching. It is my responsibilty to "Know the law".

    I will respect private property and will not enter private property without the owner's permission. Where posible, such permission will be in writing.

    I will take care to refill all holes and try not to leave any damage.

    I will remove and dispose of any and all trash and litter that I find.

    I will appreciate and protect our inheritance of natural resources, wildlife and private property.

    I will as an ambassador for the hobby, use thoughtfulness, consideration and courtesy at all times.

    I will work to help bring unity to our hobby by working with any organization of any geographic area that may have problems that will limit their ability to peacefully pursue the hobby.

    I will leave gates as found.

    I will build fires in designated or safe places only.

    I will report to the proper authorities any individuals who enter and or removes artifacts from federal parks or state preserves.



    Respectfully,

    Dwayne Lloyd"




  7. #7
    us
    Let the earth yield its bootay! Arg!

    Oct 2007
    Humble, Tx
    Bounty Hunter IV
    334
    2 times

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    What I got from the MAN!
    ___________________________________________
    Mr. Gonzalez,

    My name is Dennis Johnston and I am the Park Administrator for Harris County Precinct 4. I have been asked to respond to your e-mail concerning park regulations and metal detectors. I appreciate your concerns about metal detecting in our Precinct 4 Parks and I hope my response via this e-mail will help you understand why we take the position prohibiting metal detectors on park lands.



    A recent incident at one of our parks involved a person with a metal detector digging up trinkets as witnessed by an employee of the Texas Historical Commission (THC). The THC called my office and brought to our attention the legal questions of allowing this activity at our Harris County Precinct 4 Parks. The Texas Antiquities Code section 191.092 clearly states that public lands including those owned by Texas counties must be protected from potential removal of artifacts by those without proper scientific permits and credentials. We asked the Harris County Attorney’s office to investigate and the following is their response:



    After reviewing chapter 191 of the Texas Natural Resources Code and after consulting with the Texas Historical Commission, our office is of the opinion that the county may prohibit the operation or use of metal detectors in county parks. By way of example, the state prohibits the operation or use of metal detectors in state parks. The exception to not operating or using metal detectors in county parks would be if the operator or user had contracted with the Antiquities Committee for discovery and scientific investigation or obtained a permit from the Antiquities Committee for survey and discovery, excavation, restoration, demolition, or study.



    By allowing the conduct of metal detecting to continue on park grounds we risk legal litigation and many other potential pitfalls with the THC should an existing registered archaeology site get pillaged or a potential site be uncovered by amateur archaeologists or metal detectors. Currently there are registered sites within our park grounds. They are not made public for obvious reasons. Many other potential sites exist within park owned lands, yet to be discovered, and thus items that are removed today could potentially provide missing facts for future archaeologists. As we cannot discriminate nor continuously monitor any one person’s intent involving metal detection discoveries within our parks, we have discontinued allowing the practice altogether within Harris County Precinct 4 Parklands. We appreciate your cooperation in this matter.



    If you have any questions or need further information, please don’t hesitate to call my office at 281-353-8100. I have attached contact information below for the Texas Historical Commission and Antiquities Code.



    Sincerely,

    Dennis Johnston

    Park Administrator

    Harris County Precinct 4

    281-353-8100

    djohnston@hcp4.net





    Texas Antiquities Code 191.092

    Access the Texas Historic Commission website: www.thc.state.tx.us for information regarding the Texas Antiquities Code 191.092. Scroll down the page and click on Rules and Regulations and then scroll back to top of page (the screen does not change) where your choice of Federal, State and Other now appear in red.



    Main Phone
    512/463-6100

    Main Email
    thc@thc.state.tx.us

    Mailing Address
    P.O. Box 12276 Austin, TX 78711-2276

    Physical Address — Main
    1511 Colorado, Austin, TX 78701



    YeeHaw!

  8. #8
    us
    Sep 2008
    Magnolia, TEXAS
    Whites MXT Pro, M6, 6x10 DD, 4x6 DD
    157
    1 times

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    WHAT A CROCK OF....BLEEDING HEART ARCHIES
    Metal detecting is like marrage...The better you listen the better the rewards.

  9. #9
    us
    Mar 2008
    Houston Area
    ACE 250, Vibraprobe 570, My Melon
    858

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    Was it a mass email back out or just to you cooltone? They will hopefully get tired of copy and paste once they keep coming.

    I didn't get a response yet.
    "Gimme oysters and beer for dinner everyday of the year"


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  10. #10

    Jan 2007
    Houston,TX
    Garrett AT Pro Fisher F5
    1,634
    9 times

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    Quote Originally Posted by littletwig
    WHAT A CROCK OF....BLEEDING HEART ARCHIES
    Quote Originally Posted by cooltone23
    What I got from the MAN!
    ___________________________________________
    Mr. Gonzalez,

    My name is ************ and I am the Park Administrator for Harris County Precinct 4. I have been asked to respond to your e-mail concerning park regulations and metal detectors. I appreciate your concerns about metal detecting in our Precinct 4 Parks and I hope my response via this e-mail will help you understand why we take the position prohibiting metal detectors on park lands.



    A recent incident at one of our parks involved a person with a metal detector digging up trinkets as witnessed by an employee of the Texas Historical Commission (THC). The THC called my office and brought to our attention the legal questions of allowing this activity at our Harris County Precinct 4 Parks. The Texas Antiquities Code section 191.092 clearly states that public lands including those owned by Texas counties must be protected from potential removal of artifacts by those without proper scientific permits and credentials. We asked the Harris County Attorney’s office to investigate and the following is their response:



    After reviewing chapter 191 of the Texas Natural Resources Code and after consulting with the Texas Historical Commission, our office is of the opinion that the county may prohibit the operation or use of metal detectors in county parks. By way of example, the state prohibits the operation or use of metal detectors in state parks. The exception to not operating or using metal detectors in county parks would be if the operator or user had contracted with the Antiquities Committee for discovery and scientific investigation or obtained a permit from the Antiquities Committee for survey and discovery, excavation, restoration, demolition, or study.

    Typical form letter answer that they send out. What gets me is without a metal detector that detects metal objects how do the archies know there is anything in the ground?? How many times have metal detector users helped them out, to find items

    Someone digging trinkets!!!!! OH MY GOSH!!!!!! I am suprised that they didn't call in the FBI, and the CIA in on that person !!!!!!!!!!

    We all have found trinkets in park areas. Cheap rings, earrings, bracelets, hat pins,metal buttons from clothing, and the such can be called trinkets.


    A single detectorist in a park can deter some of the criminal behavior in our parks. I myself have been hunting a park and have seen 2 lowrider cars pull into the parking area, look at me, and then leave.

    Is the city going to ban all dog walkers, because a few have let their dogs poop and don't pick it up, how about banning all picnicers for some leaving their trash laying around, and of course the joggers and walkers who throw their empty water bottles along the trails, and about those baseball players and their cleated shoes tearing up the grass....................should I go on??

    The ban is unjust and unfair. I don't think they realize how many people detect.

  11. #11

    Jan 2007
    Houston,TX
    Garrett AT Pro Fisher F5
    1,634
    9 times

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaw
    Was it a mass email back out or just to you cooltone? They will hopefully get tired of copy and paste once they keep coming.

    I didn't get a response yet.
    That's what I had thought also .... and so I changed the first post in this thread.

    I do hope more compose in their own words and send an email.
    I changed the wording on the one I sent.


    Their reply is a form email Mr. Johnson has been sending out in return.

  12. #12

    Jan 2007
    Houston,TX
    Garrett AT Pro Fisher F5
    1,634
    9 times

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    Quote Originally Posted by PICCman
    Done and here is a copy.

    Nice letter. Well done!!!

  13. #13
    us
    Mar 2008
    Houston Area
    ACE 250, Vibraprobe 570, My Melon
    858

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    I was talking about their copy and paste response.

    Maybe one a week sent in with different wording or questions?
    "Gimme oysters and beer for dinner everyday of the year"


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  14. #14
    us
    Let the earth yield its bootay! Arg!

    Oct 2007
    Humble, Tx
    Bounty Hunter IV
    334
    2 times

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    I thought it was a bunch of bull too. If they know something is out there, why dont they go and escavate. Its olny getting worse as time goes by, and not too long for now, mother nature will eat it up and make whatever it is into compost. They are just afraid that there will be a bunch of folks digging holes all over. I understand that unfortunately, there is that one jamoke who tears things up and leaves a mess behind ruining things for us.

    I am afraid this will turn into a big bloody battle for both sides and we will never get a resolution. But, it is always worth a fight
    YeeHaw!

  15. #15
    us
    Let the earth yield its bootay! Arg!

    Oct 2007
    Humble, Tx
    Bounty Hunter IV
    334
    2 times

    Re: Help try to lift ban on detecting

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaw
    Was it a mass email back out or just to you cooltone? They will hopefully get tired of copy and paste once they keep coming.

    I didn't get a response yet.
    I copied and pasted it with all my info an sebt it to him. That way they now its a real person they can contact with this concern.
    YeeHaw!

 

 
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