From the pit, an unkown object.....Cleaning it, Day 1,2,4,5 (last day).

[woody50]

a239 14th century Doublet or Gambeson Closure

Catalog Number a239-seb-14e
Type Doublet / Gambeson closure
Designer
Datering 14th Century
Material Copper alloy
Mass gram 16.5
Size (mm) lwh 53 x 30

in Dutch Wambuissluiting = doublet closure
Gambeson doublet closeure
A gambeson (or aketon or padded jack or arming doublet) is a padded defensive
jacket, worn as armour separately, or combined with mail or plate armour.
Gambesons were produced with a sewing technique called quilting. Usually
constructed of linen or wool, the stuffing varied, and could be for example
scrap cloth or horse hair. During the 14th century, illustrations usually show
buttons or laces up the front.

 

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[allen]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Step 1

no ideal, but looks interesting..

 

[DCMatt]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Step 1

A locket?

If there is only one pin holding the back in place, maybe it swings open.

DCMatt

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Step 1

Not had one & can't even guess. Might have a guess after cleaning..........

 

[woody50]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Step 1

A locket?
If there is only one pin holding the back in place, maybe it swings open.
DCMatt

I though also along that line, but there are two pins or rivits, one on both ends... The back appears to be thin bronze.

 

[woody50]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Step 1

Not had one & can't even guess. Might have a guess after cleaning..........

Well Cru, after a few days you should be able to do that I hope!

 

[tulecanyon]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Step 1

it looks like a clock pendulum.

 

[woody50]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Step 1

it looks like a clock pendulum.

Sounds pretty good, who knows!

 

[cntrydncr1]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Step 1

Does it look like this

 

[woody50]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Step 1

Does it look like this

Well for sure it has the shape, but it has solid sides, only the back is thin and riveted on. So there are no sides where something could slide back and forth into.... Will be spending another 2 hours or so on it tomorrow, its soaking at this time, and see if it cleans up anymore. There is a pattern emerging, what I though was a hand was not that at all, just some gunk that looked that way! Thanks for the guess.

 

[kdismuke1]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Cleaning it, step 1

that will kept us thinking.

 

[woody50]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Cleaning it, Day 1,2

Day 2. Yesterday after using toothpicks to remove some of the gunk, I put the object into distilled water, to soften up the rest because it was too hard and could not remove it. This morning did some more removing and discovered a nose. I think the nose of an animal.

I have made a couple photos, but the object is wet, so the photos don't show much detail. But anyway a lot of the gunk has now been removed, after today and tomorrow we should know more. The object sure looks different when you are looking at it in person, the photos don't give any credit to it. But that is the way with many finds....

I have now an idea of what it is......

 

[treasurefiend]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Cleaning it, Day 1,2

It looks like a hallow decorative switch for an in wall gas line lamp. Before electricity was run through the walls, most places had pressurized gas pipes running thru the houses. Like a petcock that you turn to allow gas to flow or to shutoff gas.

I am probably wrong, but it is a guess nun the less... LOL

Great mystery find!!!

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Cleaning it, Day 1,2

Damn it, I thought the bottom line looked like a mouth but said nothing. lol

 

[woody50]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Cleaning it, Day 1,2

Damn it, I thought the bottom line looked like a mouth but said nothing. lol

I think it's the nose of a sheep. Small mouth then. So nothing gained, nothing lost.
I have been working somemore on it, sure takes the time.

A large part of the area on the right of the nose, looking at the photo, is now gone, it was all dirt or oxide remains of the metal that was there.

Its appears to be some sort of relief, like a say I see what I could interpert as a sheep's head (the nose is prominent). The back side, that is the side held on with the rivets, well that was added back then to make a shiny background for the front piece. I have a few relics that have that. I would at this moment guess that its at least 17th century, but I think earlier. Thinking about letting it sit now in hot olive oil, or using the peroxide method on it. Whatta you think Cru? I have removed about all the stuff I can at this moment....

Added these two photos. The first is not such a close up and you can see the (what I think is) a sheep. The next photo shows
-red lines a sort of pattern around the outside of the object
-blue arrows point to the eyes
-green line, the hoorn from an Ew?
-yellow points to a mouth...?

Still better in real life! Photos, bah!

 

[woody50]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Cleaning it, Day 1,2

It looks like a hallow decorative switch for an in wall gas line lamp. Before electricity was run through the walls, most places had pressurized gas pipes running thru the houses. Like a petcock that you turn to allow gas to flow or to shutoff gas.

I am probably wrong, but it is a guess nun the less... LOL

Great mystery find!!!

Don't think so, then it would be in the 19th century or 20th. This has to be earlier, and is way too fragile for such. Thanks for the comments, I know which values you mean though.

 

[NGE]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Cleaning it, Day 1,2

IT'S a KAZOO!.......NGE (T)

 

[NGE]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Cleaning it, Day 1,2

OOPS, not right, another guess, please.......ty, It's a clicker! Am I right, they used 'em for training animals. ........NGE (T)

 

[jimb]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Cleaning it, Day 1,2

Interesting find! But also have no idea as to what it is!

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: From the pit, an unkown object.....Cleaning it, Day 1,2

I thought the whole raised line under the yellow arrow was a mouth.

Try the Hot peroxide.