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    Found a Very Rare Military Button! NEW INFO ADDED 11 Aug 10

    I have found many Revolutionary War buttons over the years, some of which are quite rare. I never thought my rarest button find yet would be from the War of 1812, but it appears as though that's the case.

    When I dug this button I had been finding nothing but bottle caps and pull tabs from people camping and fishing. The hunt was not going well at all. Then, right by a picnic table I get a nice hit but it was very shallow. I expected a modern target, but at 3 inches or so I pulled this button out. When I first found it it was CAKED with dirt and looked to have nothing on the front at all. The back of the button was quite visible however, and when I saw the gold gilt and the backmark I knew I better take a closer look at the front. Usually I wait until I get home, but I had to know what this button was. I picked off a hard piece of dirt from the front and was stunned when I saw what was on the button. Not knowing U.S. buttons very well, I was confused as to what I had. I clearly saw 'United States Artillery' on the face, and a stack of 6 cannon balls. I knew based on the button design it was quite old, but not Revolutionary War. The War of 1812 made sense as there was a lot of activity during the conflict in that area. However, I had never seen a U.S. artillery button from the War of 1812 with this design. I figured it must date slightly before or after the war as I knew the backmark was a fairly old and good one.

    When I got home I looked it up in Alberts book and was pleasantly surprised to see a RV of 100, which seemed to me to be quite rare in comparison to most buttons. The book seems to suggest at the time of printing the example in the photograph was the only known example. I have scoured the internet and all of my reference books, but can't find another example anywhere. I was told the example in the book is in the Smithsonian, although I can't confirm that. There is a note in Alberts under the button which points to the 'National Button Bulletin, May 1962' for more info on the particular example in the book. I don't have it, and can't find it. Any chance one of you owns this issue?? I would love to know what it says!

    I am left wondering if this button is numer 2 of 2 known. Can anyone provide any more info on the button or confirm how many are known to be out there??

    What I know of the button, it is a United States Artillery, 2nd Regiment button. Made in 1808. I am also told (but again can't confirm) there were only about 300 made as Armitage made them as samples, but never received the contract.

    As you can see in one of the pics, the button was still quite dirty (even after I removed some caked on dirt in the field) when I got it home. I knew there was some gilt under there and hit it with some aluminum jelly. Cleaned up quite nice. The front is nice, but the back blows me away!



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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    That button is fantastic. Now I will have to follow this thread to see what other info comes up. Congrats.

    JuJu
    Thats gonna itch when it dries.

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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    Super dig C.D. I don't have my books with me as I am in Spain. Someone will chime in and know what is what. Congrats again.

    Les

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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    Fantastic Button ! Looks like Banner Material to me
    Congrats,
    BB
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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    That is one of the nicest buttons I have ever seen. I'll vote banner on this one.

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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    Nice button for sure not much about that one online but this might help its not the exact same button Dd60

    During the 1790's many coastal towns in Great Britain formed volunteer militias to protect the motherland from attack from Napoleon's army.
    This excavated coatee button (18mm) is made of brass and is a 1 piece high convex type and dates c.1790's-1815.
    The device shows 3 cannonballs above three cannons inside a shield and the writing along the perimeter states: "CHATm & GILm VOLUNTEER ARTILLERY" (most likely the Chatham & Gillingham artillery).
    The most informative book on the topic of English Artillery uniform buttons is "BADGES & INSIGNIA OF THE ROYAL REGIMENT OF ARTILLERY by Litchfield and he shows approx. 162 different varieties of English artillery uniform buttons throughout their existence. Just an exceptional reference guide on such, he doesn't show or list this example which is a very rare unlisted type.
    Condition: this is dug with a lot of surface pourosity but most of the lettering can be read and it still retains its shank on back.
    If you collect War of 1812 era military buttons or specifically English Artillery buttons, then here is a very rare button you probably won't see again soon.

    Make sure you check out our other WAR OF 1812 BUTTONS in our ebay store by clicking the EAGLE ANTIQUES logo above then click the "BUTTONS: British military" or "BUTTONS: War of 1812" category on left hand side.
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    If Mother Earth give,s us precious metals like gold silver copper and iron why leave them in the ground to disappear forever , dig them out and save History !!

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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    Quote Originally Posted by Deepdiger60
    Nice button for sure not much about that one online but this might help its not the exact same button Dd60

    During the 1790's many coastal towns in Great Britain formed volunteer militias to protect the motherland from attack from Napoleon's army.
    This excavated coatee button (18mm) is made of brass and is a 1 piece high convex type and dates c.1790's-1815.
    The device shows 3 cannonballs above three cannons inside a shield and the writing along the perimeter states: "CHATm & GILm VOLUNTEER ARTILLERY" (most likely the Chatham & Gillingham artillery).
    I'm lost. The button is American.
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    us
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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet button Was that found in the US or north of the border? Very cool.
    "There comes a time in every rightly constructed boys life when he has a raging desire to go somewhere and dig for hidden treasure" Mark Twain"

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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    In great shape.

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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    Quote Originally Posted by meangene21
    Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet button Was that found in the US or north of the border? Very cool.
    North of the Border

    Still trying to figure out the exact circumstances as to how it got there. I am hoping to find reference to the 2nd regiment in the area. I do know there was a company based out of Plattsburg, NY which is only about 80 kms away from where the button was found.
    Velox Versutus Vigilans

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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    Quote Originally Posted by ColonialDude
    Quote Originally Posted by Deepdiger60
    Nice button for sure not much about that one online but this might help its not the exact same button Dd60

    During the 1790's many coastal towns in Great Britain formed volunteer militias to protect the motherland from attack from Napoleon's army.
    This excavated coatee button (18mm) is made of brass and is a 1 piece high convex type and dates c.1790's-1815.
    The device shows 3 cannonballs above three cannons inside a shield and the writing along the perimeter states: "CHATm & GILm VOLUNTEER ARTILLERY" (most likely the Chatham & Gillingham artillery).
    I'm lost. The button is American.
    It seems to be pretty much an advertisement for his Ebay auctions...
    Live Free or Die

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    Feb 2006
    Tennessee
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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    Great button. I hope it is the rare one you are hoping for. I will be watching for an update.
    Dman

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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    SWEET BUTTON!! Love the gilding left, the back is really loaded.
    Good luck on the ID of the button.
    It's a BANNER BUTTON!

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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    Sweet Button

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    Re: Found a Very Rare Military Button!

    thats a nice button here in vt. i only find tombac and dandys not much military finds
    vermont hillbilly

 

 
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